Please wait...
i believe its only code .. that is when they dont feel like hoarding it in their walled garden instead.
Sat Jun 17 2023 08:09:42 AM EDT from IGnatius T FoobarI wonder how much funding Canonical gives to Debian? Or if they just participate by doing development and just push their work upstream?
Well this was a new one.
Debian 12, pre-release install, upgraded to current a couple of days ago ( not today )
- Wanted to get some files off of one of my external non-powered spinny disk drives, but was not being seen, at all. Threw it in the trash after messing with things for a bit. ( tore it apart, different sata-usb adapter, bla bla ) annoyed and surprised since its off-line most of its life, but hey, it happens so i move on with my day.
- Its the weekend and getting towards dinner time, so time to backup. Plugged in another ( powered this time ) spinny disk, did my backup. Then plugged in its backup to mirror it to, same exact model.. ( ya. i have 2.. im paranoid :) ) and it didnt recognize it.. wtf!
- Confused as hell, i swapped ports. now neither work.. even the one i just used.. panic.. swap back.. still nothing..
- reboot.. still no dice. figured hosed the internal usb hub somehow ( yet keyboard and mouse was working off other ports.. so doubtful )
- As a test, they see flash and SSD externals. ( even lsub wont show the spinny devices and dmesg, nothing )
- Desperation time, shoved one onto a server. it works.. shove the second it works.. arrgh.. dig out the other from the trash.. the SOB works on the server too...
- Reboot with a live USB.. it sees all 3... really????
Reformat, reload. works again.
Never ever seen this sort of nonsense before.
2023-06-10 17:11 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
So i see Debian Bookworm is officially released.
This post prompted me to finally start upgrading machines to Bullseye today. Man, I'm lazy. Didn't realize how long I've procrastinated this.
Well at least you didnt just catch up to squeeze.... and are only one version behind release :)
Fri Jun 23 2023 05:36:45 PM EDT from zelgomer2023-06-10 17:11 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
So i see Debian Bookworm is officially released.
This post prompted me to finally start upgrading machines to Bullseye today. Man, I'm lazy. Didn't realize how long I've procrastinated this.
So, my old computer was intermittently giving me the blue screen. So I decided to build my new computer from scratch instead of doing my normal routine of buying a refurb and frankensteining it with parts salvaged from previous computers. Instead of paying for windows, I went with Linux... and I've gotta say, the Nobara distro is absolutely AMAZING for gaming. I'm thoroughly impressed.
- Tumblefluff the Squirrel
2023-06-23 17:36 from zelgomer2023-06-10 17:11 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
So i see Debian Bookworm is officially released.
This post prompted me to finally start upgrading machines to Bullseye
today. Man, I'm lazy. Didn't realize how long I've procrastinated this.
With the direction Linux distributions are taking as of late, my tendency is to leave anything that isn't exposed to unstrusted parties unupgraded.
So no shame leaving Debian unupgraded for long. In fact there are complaints that LTS/Extended support in Debian is actually a bit better than the official one since it comes from actual vendors hahahaha
Can always roll your own. I have kicked that around so many times my toes hurt.
Of course unless you are code-god you will still rely on other's work for stuff you include.
windows, I went with Linux... and I've gotta say, the Nobara distro
is absolutely AMAZING for gaming. I'm thoroughly impressed.
Linux games? Steam for Linux? Or does it run Windows games under automation?
Subject: A big, blue, "f**k off" to the Linux community
In a blog post [ https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream ] they announced that they're tired of having the people they have elsewhere called "freeloaders" using the Source RPMs to re-spin distributions that are 100% binary compatible with RHEL.
This effectively kills Rocky Linux, AlmaLinux, and Oracle Enterprise Linux.
The wording of their blog post makes it clear: if you're not paying them, you will run CentOS Stream, you will like it, and you will eventually pay for RHEL.
The difference, of course, is that CentOS Stream is *upstream* of RHEL, while the clones were *downstream* of RHEL. 100% binary compatibility was the reason anyone went with those in the first place. The mutant penguins at ${employer} insist on it, actually.
And that's the reason Teh Klowd is pretty much built on Ubuntu. Their model makes sense. Download the bits, use the bits, pay them if you want support.
Oracle does the same thing, I think. It's freaking open source, treat it like open source.
I await the community's final flipping off of IBM as they send RHEL down the same path as AIX.
Subject: Re: A big, blue, "f**k off" to the Linux community
We all saw that coming long before RedHat became BlueHat. They just didnt have the power to pull it off.
Keeping my feelings about Pottering out, i dont trust Ubuntu as a entity. They are slowly moving the same direction of walled gardens ( snap, paid updates .. etc ). Eventually they will close the walls too. But, they are just a bastardized flavor of Debian with add-ons. Why not just use Debian instead? ( not being sarcastic there, being serious. Why not just cut out the middleman and go to the source?) . I understand something like Proxmox which gives you things of true value that would be a pain to reproduce yourself, but Ubuntu, nothing you cant *easily* do yourself if you wanted that piece.
But as this stuff happens, it does make one reconsider just doing it yourself. ( LFS, Build root, etc )
My guess is steam and emulation. Im not a gamer, but I dont think there are a lot of native games out there ( a few... but not mainstream style )
Tue Jun 27 2023 10:59:20 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobarwindows, I went with Linux... and I've gotta say, the Nobara distro
is absolutely AMAZING for gaming. I'm thoroughly impressed.
Linux games? Steam for Linux? Or does it run Windows games under automation?
Subject: Re: A big, blue, "f**k off" to the Linux community
The bigger issue is that Canonical will not always be owned and controlled by Mark Shuttleworth. Eventually they will be acquired, probably by Microsoft, and that will be the end of them. It's ok though, because most of the Ubuntu ecosystem is really just the Debian ecosystem with a spit-shine on it.
I'm currently building infrastructure around other Canonical products, namely MAAS and MicroK8S, and the experience so far has been tremendous. And I'm telling the fake penguins in our OS support team to go shit in their hat when they tell me I'm supposed to be using Rocky Linux. The entire stack is built on Canonical products, and I'm not about to stick something else in the middle.
Besides ... ideological issues aside, I have found the quality of Rocky Linux to be quite poor. I had an issue not too long ago where any program that used GnuTLS made the kernel start throwing really awful errors. It ain't no CentOS, and now that the SRPM's are being taken away, it's going to be even worse.
Subject: Re: A big, blue, "f**k off" to the Linux community
Are you saying its got a rocky future? :)
Subject: Re: A big, blue, "f**k off" to the Linux community
Someone said Haiku looks like the current best option for an alternative daily driver.
Subject: Re: A big, blue, "f**k off" to the Linux community
That is basically BeOS... So there will be more limitations for hardware and software support.
Enough to make it not usable for the average Joe? Donno.. not touched Be since 4.0 on PPC..
Wed Jun 28 2023 10:09:57 AM EDT from nonservator Subject: Re: A big, blue, "f**k off" to the Linux communitySomeone said Haiku looks like the current best option for an alternative daily driver.
Subject: Re: A big, blue, "f**k off" to the Linux community
Someone said Haiku looks like the current best option for an
alternative daily driver.
Linux itself is fine; it is Red Hat that is self-destructing. No change for me; I stopped using Red Hat variants as my daily driver 12 years ago.
Linus himself is kind of an asshole, but he's doing his job so he gets a pass.
I do agree, in general its a better community.
It was one thing i dreaded when i had to go back to penguin.
Wed Jun 28 2023 01:50:57 PM EDT from LadySerenaKittyI use FreeBSD. Beastie is cute. The FreeBSD Commewnity is full of cool people.
Subject: Re: A big, blue, "f**k off" to the Linux community
Oddly, i was never a fan or RH, even in the beginning, before they went sideways.
I guess them coming up with their package manager and fragmenting that part of the community future annoyed me.
Wed Jun 28 2023 12:46:01 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: A big, blue, "f**k off" to the Linux communityLinux itself is fine; it is Red Hat that is self-destructing. No change for me; I stopped using Red Hat variants as my daily driver 12 years ago.