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[#] Mon Mar 12 2012 09:27:30 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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For those of you who rely on regular news - over 250 missiles have landed in Israel in towns like Ashkelon, Ashdod, and Beer Sheva since Friday. 
Note that the missile range has greatly increased due to the disengagement in 2005. (Missiles are being fired from the areas where settlements were destroyed.)

[#] Mon Mar 12 2012 10:31:10 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Mon Mar 12 2012 09:27:30 AM EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

For those of you who rely on regular news - over 250 missiles have landed in Israel in towns like Ashkelon, Ashdod, and Beer Sheva since Friday. 
Note that the missile range has greatly increased due to the disengagement in 2005. (Missiles are being fired from the areas where settlements were destroyed.)

Wonderful. :-(

Whatever happened to the room "Glass Parking Lot"? Seems it may be relevant, again. :-(

[#] Tue Mar 13 2012 18:22:24 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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TriL, glad your safe.  I hear the iron defense net is working very well, luckily.

[#] Wed Mar 14 2012 06:06:38 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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There's supposed to be a cease-fire. We'll see. 

For the weekend, we're supposed to be going to Kibbutz Ein Tzurim, which is in the south, for  a bar mitzva. If there are still sirens and shelters, I'm going to be missing my nephew's bar mitzva, I guess. I don't want my children traumatized by sirens in the middle of the night.

One of my close friends lives in Beer Sheva (where stuff is falling all the time). Her parents live in Elkana (a small town in Samaria), and she and the kids have been there for the past week and a half - her husband had to go back to Beer Sheva to work. There's some slight irony in the fact that she's safer in a 'settlement' than in a city which is entirely within the green line.

I don't know what I'd do if I lived in the south or if the missiles were falling here, but I'm not going to take my kids somewhere where things are bad when I have a home somewhere 'safer' for them. 

[#] Thu Mar 15 2012 03:00:14 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Seems like sound logic to me!  Stay safe.

[#] Thu Mar 15 2012 09:48:15 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Ok, clue me in on something here.

How is it that firing rockets at your neighbors is not considered an act of war?

Why is the global community not condemning "Palestine" and treating it as the same type of hostile regime as Iran and North Korea? Why is a cluster of terrorists allowed to be treated as if they are a real country?

[#] Fri Mar 16 2012 10:23:51 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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And, in order to present something a little lighter:

Survivor who escaped Nazis runs Jerusalem marathon.


[#] Sun Mar 18 2012 09:43:20 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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That's just it - because they're not a real country, they aren't held responsible - which is one of the arguments for granting them statehood. 

Of course, Gaza is its own political entity, so... I'm not feeling confident that Israel would be allowed to go to war with it even if it were a country. Plus I shudder to imagine what would happen if they had an airport and  seaport for bringing in more/bigger weapons.


[#] Thu Mar 22 2012 10:48:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well, if they're not a real country, and they're firing rockets at Israel, then why aren't they treated as criminals?

[#] Thu Mar 22 2012 12:42:48 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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They're treated as a buffer zone.

[#] Fri Jun 01 2012 09:25:17 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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IG, look at it from their point of view.  After all, we don't consider Terminex criminals, right?

[#] Fri Jun 01 2012 12:54:39 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Not much of a buffer zone if it's constantly firing rockets inward, though.

[#] Fri Jun 01 2012 15:36:40 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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so.. how did the israelites like the visit of the new german president?

[#] Sat Jun 02 2012 15:02:58 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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I missed that. Sorry. I'm on a no-news kick lately. 

Sometimes, I'm news-obsessed. 

Right now, I'm burying my head in the sand. 


[#] Fri Jun 08 2012 11:31:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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IG, look at it from their point of view.  After all, we don't
consider Terminex criminals, right?

Very true.

Unfortunately here in the US, most Jews are quite anti-semitic. It's very sad.

[#] Fri Jun 08 2012 16:17:10 EDT from Ladyhawke @ Uncensored

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Indeed.  On both counts.  We are often our own worst enemy.

Someday, the Jew haters of the world will realize that the biggest thing keeping us from destroying each other is our need to band together to fend them off.....and then we'll really be in trouble.

[#] Wed Oct 24 2012 00:08:55 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Who Threw Israel Under the Bus?
Published: October 23, 2012

ON Monday, in their final debate, Mitt Romney denounced President Obama
for creating “tension” and “turmoil” with Israel and chided him for
having “skipped Israel” during his travels in the Middle East.
Throughout the campaign, Mr. Romney has repeatedly accused Mr. Obama of
having “thrown allies like Israel under the bus.”

But history tells a different story. Indeed, whenever the United States
has put serious, sustained pressure on Israel’s leaders — from the 1950s
on — it has come from Republican presidents, not Democratic ones. This
was particularly true under Mr. Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush.

Just one week before the Iraq war began in March 2003, Mr. Bush was
still struggling to form a broad
international coalition to oust Saddam
Hussein. Unlike in the 1991 Persian Gulf war, Russia, a permanent member
of the United Nations Security Council, decided to opt out, meaning that
the United Nations could not provide formal legitimacy for a war against
Mr. Hussein. Britain was almost alone in aligning itself with America,
and Prime Minister Tony Blair’s support was deemed crucial in

Just as the British Parliament was about to approve the joint venture, a
group of Mr. Blair’s Labour Party colleagues threatened to revolt,
demanding Israeli concessions to the Palestinians in exchange for their
support for the Iraq invasion. This demand could have scuttled the war
effort, and there was only one way that British support could be
maintained: Mr. Bush would have to declare that the “road map” for
Middle East peace, a proposal drafted early in his administration,
the formal policy of the United States.

Israel’s prime minister at the time, Ariel Sharon, had been vehemently
opposed to the road map, which contained several “red lines” that he
refused to accept, including a stipulation that the future status of
Jerusalem would be determined by “a negotiated resolution” taking into
account “the political and religious concerns of both sides.” This
wording implied a possible end to Israel’s sovereignty over all of
Jerusalem, which has been under Israeli control since 1967.

On March 13, 2003, senior Israeli officials were summarily informed that
the United States would publicly adopt the draft road map as its policy.
Washington made it clear to us that on the eve of a war, Israel was
expected to refrain from criticizing the American policy and also to
ensure that its sympathizers got the message.

The United States insisted
that the road map be approved without any
changes, saying Israel’s concerns would be addressed later. At a long
and tense cabinet debate I attended in May 2003, Mr. Sharon reluctantly
asked his ministers to accept Washington’s demand. Benjamin Netanyahu,
then the finance minister, disagreed, and he abstained during the vote
on the cabinet resolution, which eventually passed.

From that point on, the road map, including the language on Jerusalem,
became the policy bible for America, Russia, the European Union and the
United Nations. Not only was Israel strong-armed by a Republican
president, but it was also compelled to simply acquiesce and swallow the
bitterest of pills.

Three years later, the Bush administration again pressured Israel into
supporting a policy that ran counter to its interests. In early 2006,
the terrorist group Hamas ran candidates in the Palestinian legislative

elections. Israel had been adamant that no leader could campaign with a
gun in his belt; the Palestinian party Fatah opposed Hamas’s
participation, too. But the White House would have none of this; it
pushed Fatah to allow Hamas candidates to run, and pressured Israel into
allowing voting for Hamas — even in parts of East Jerusalem.

After Hamas won a clear majority, Washington sought to train Fatah
forces to crush it militarily in the Gaza Strip. But Hamas pre-empted
this scheme by taking control of Gaza in 2007, and the Palestinians have
been ideologically and territorially divided ever since.

Despite the Republican Party’s shrill campaign rhetoric on Israel, no
Democratic president has ever strong-armed Israel on any key national
security issue. In the 1956 Suez Crisis, it was a Republican, Dwight D.
Eisenhower, who joined the Soviet Union in forcing Israel’s founding

father, David Ben-Gurion, to withdraw from the Sinai Peninsula after a
joint Israeli-British-French attack on Egypt.

In 1991, when Iraqi Scud missiles rained down on Tel Aviv, the
administration of the first President Bush urged Israel not to strike
back so as to preserve the coalition of Arab states fighting Iraq. Prime
Minister Yitzhak Shamir resisted his security chiefs’ recommendation to
retaliate and bowed to American demands as his citizens reached for
their gas masks.

After the war, Mr. Shamir agreed to go to Madrid for a Middle East peace
conference set up by Secretary of State James A. Baker III. Fearful that
Mr. Shamir would be intransigent at the negotiating table, the White
House pressured him by withholding $10 billion in loan guarantees to
Israel, causing us serious economic problems. The eventual result was
Mr. Shamir’s political downfall. The man who had
saved Mr. Bush’s grand
coalition against Saddam Hussein in 1991 was “thrown under the bus.”

In all of these instances, a Republican White House acted in a cold and
determined manner, with no regard for Israel’s national pride, strategic
interests or sensitivities. That’s food for thought in October 2012.

Efraim Halevy was the director of the Mossad from 1998 to 2002 and the
national security adviser to the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon,
from October 2002 to June 2003.

[#] Wed Nov 21 2012 10:41:18 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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In case you're wondering, the current rumors are that a terrorist was captured in the Modiin mall - which is about 1/4 of a mile from my house. I'm there almost every day. (My daughter's gymnastics class is there, for example).

[#] Wed Nov 21 2012 10:50:09 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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correction - may have been more than 1. 

My understanding is that the thing or things that were caught was/were responsible for planting a bomb on a bus in Tel Aviv, injuring 23 people.

[#] Wed Nov 21 2012 16:03:24 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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just learned about 'roof knocking' - its rarely(not) mentioned in the media...

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