Hi there Markus, many thanks for your very detailed response. I will give it a go and report back. It kind of takes the Easy out of Easy Installer though doesn't it!

Paul

Hi Markus,

I thinks Citadel has been successfully installed following your instructions, for which, thank you very much! I say, I think, because there were quite a few warning messages about truncations and the like, but I did get a successful completion message in the end.

I'm now trying to muddle my way through the documentation. This is my first attempt at any kind of mail server so wish me luck!

Thanks again.

Paul

Dear readers,

is this the right room to talk to citadel developers? If not, which room is best?

Regards,

Markus

Markus, you're looking for the Citadel Development room..[look to the left]

But have no fear, your issue about config.guess has already been logged and noted...

It's not for lack of caring.. just too few of us, and lot is going on...

We will ultimately get to the problem.

Continue to do whatever you can to document and communicate.

Thanks!

Wed Jan 27 2021 04:36:02 PM EST from markus Subject: Looking for citadel developers.

Dear readers,

 

is this the right room to talk to citadel developers? If not, which room is best?

 

Regards,

 

Markus

Hmm, I did the easy install on my RPI 4B. it fired right up, no warnings.

It doesn't bind to the proper ports tho, SMTP, IMAP, POP3. probably a root user install issue.  I may reinstall it.

wget -q -O - http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | bash

Mon Jan 25 2021 08:15:07 EST from nibles0522 Subject: Re: Easy Installer on Raspberry Pi 4B

Hi Markus,

I thinks Citadel has been successfully installed following your instructions, for which, thank you very much! I say, I think, because there were quite a few warning messages about truncations and the like, but I did get a successful completion message in the end.

I'm now trying to muddle my way through the documentation. This is my first attempt at any kind of mail server so wish me luck!

Thanks again.

Paul

Raspian 64bit (aarch64) oder 32bit?

Thu Jan 28 2021 01:40:21 EST from test2 Subject: Re: Easy Installer on Raspberry Pi 4B

Hmm, I did the easy install on my RPI 4B. it fired right up, no warnings.

It doesn't bind to the proper ports tho, SMTP, IMAP, POP3. probably a root user install issue.  I may reinstall it.

wget -q -O - http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | bash

Mon Jan 25 2021 08:15:07 EST from nibles0522 Subject: Re: Easy Installer on Raspberry Pi 4B

Hi Markus,

I thinks Citadel has been successfully installed following your instructions, for which, thank you very much! I say, I think, because there were quite a few warning messages about truncations and the like, but I did get a successful completion message in the end.

I'm now trying to muddle my way through the documentation. This is my first attempt at any kind of mail server so wish me luck!

Thanks again.

Paul

 

Hi warbaby,

First of all: Thank you for your response and for your kind explanation of the situation.

Honestly speaking, I was really close to bury citadel. Even though citadel is a non-profit software driven by volunteers you expect some attention from the people behind in order to get anwers and to solve your problems. When you say there are many things that need to be done, but you are less people to do it, how can we help?

If you expect me to report what I have observed so far - that's easy. It's not only the issue with config.guess/config.sub. This is what I have already mentioned in the Citadel support room:

-  (Maybe) Problems:

   * The files config.guess/config.sub are outdated, so system guess is limited --> See post [#] Sun Jan 24 2021 16:19:47 EST from markus

   * Webcit behaves unusual with dots and underscores in user names used to connect to citadel --> See post [#] Thu Jan 07 2021 23:03:37 EST from markus

   * Using the restart routine in webcit citadel does not restart correctly  --> See post [#] Thu Jan 07 2021 21:48:56 EST from markus

   * Fetching mails from pop3 accounts on other mail servers seems to work only partly. --> See post [#] Sun Jan 24 2021 17:05:47 EST from markus

   * When addressing smart hosts it does not work for me. On my new citadel system I did address a smart host excatly as I did on my older citadel system. It works on the older system but not on the new one. --> See post  [#] Tue Jan 19 2021 17:47:56 EST from markus

-  Requests:

   * Citadel should not modify the header of email copies that it places in the sent mail folder  --> See post [#] Tue Jan 19 2021 17:01:05 EST from markus

   * The web page https://www.citadel.org/easyinstall.html does currently not show the new instructions on how to download the Easy Install script -> See post [#] Fri Jan 01 2021 09:32:09 EST from markus

   * The web page https://www.citadel.org/how_to_install_a_certificate_signed_by_a_recognized_certificate_authority.html currently mentions a too short key length --> See post [#] Mon Jan 04 2021 11:57:42 EST from markus

   * The web page https://www.citadel.org/using_your_citadel_calendar_and_contacts_in_thunderbird.html currently presents a solution that is outdated. A new solution would be welcome. --> See post [#] Fri Jan 08 2021 15:58:31 EST from markus

   * It would be great, if one could could migrate from an older citadel system on host a) to a newer citadel system on host b) without updating citadel system on host a first. --> See post [#] Tue Jan 12 2021 14:09:35 EST from markus

-  Questions:

   * How can one run citadel as a service on system boot using Easys Install functionality? --> See post [#] Wed Jan 20 2021 13:23:34 EST from markus

It would be very kind if you could spend some of your rare time on commenting the bullet points in the near future.  Thank you very much in advance.

Regards,

Markus

Hello,

Today I tried to log into the text client on my citadel server and after logging in found that I could not use any of the commands.  The only thing that partially worked was the "?" which responded with "One of ..."  Even the (T)erminate command did not work and I had to kill the citadel process in order to get out of the citadel client

My citadel server is running on a CentOS 7 VPS and is the lastest version (same as used by uncensored) installed using the Easy Install.

My first attempt to connect exited with the error that the file citadel.rc was not found.  After skimming through the Doc and FAQ I found mention of the citadel.rc file but not the content that was needed.  I "assumed" that the file just needed to be present and could contain extra options ie setting the editor to use vim or something else.

On a hunch I wondered if the source code contained a sample citadel.rc so I finally went to the download secion and under souce code, found a link to tar file for just the text client.

After downloading and extracting, sure enough there was a citadel.rc file with "lots" of content.

I copied this over to /usr/local/citadel and suddenly I had working command in the text client.

I am posting this because originally I had typed out a long message describing my system and what I had tried so far before post to the Support room.

After deleting the original post, I decided to actually describe what I did in case someone else might run into the same problem.

Markus - and anyone else who submits a help request and doesn't get a response in what they feel is a timely manner... 

Feel free to drop me a private message in e-mail here, and I'll attempt to drive your issue if I can't address it myself. 

Thu Jan 28 2021 18:34:21 EST from markus Subject: Re: Looking for citadel developers.

Hi warbaby,

First of all: Thank you for your response and for your kind explanation of the situation.

Honestly speaking, I was really close to bury citadel. Even though citadel is a non-profit software driven by volunteers you expect some attention from the people behind in order to get anwers and to solve your problems. When you say there are many things that need to be done, but you are less people to do it, how can we help?

 

Dear ParanoidDelusions,

I didn't expect you are part of the team behind citadel. I thought you are a user like me.

Thank you for your offer. Would you kindky tell us your email address or instead your real name to look for your email address oursels. 

Thanks

Markus

I think I just noticed that you're most likely to get the [not found] error when a post is going to end up on a "new page" in the web client. That is, the message you are replying to is on page [1] - but your post will be on page [2]. Not sure if that might help - but when it happens, I hit F5, and "resubmit the form" and it works. 

Think of me as tier 1 support at your ISP. I'm going to read a page, ask you to reboot your router, and then say I'm going to have to escalate the issue and get someone to call you back. 

But at least you know there is SOMEONE who is aware you have an issue, and will try and get it into the backlog of other issues the actually smart guys are trying to fix. :) 

Sun Jan 31 2021 18:43:40 EST from markus Subject: Re: Looking for citadel developers.

Dear ParanoidDelusions,

 

I didn't expect you are part of the team behind citadel. I thought you are a user like me.

Thank you for your offer. Would you kindky tell us your email address or instead your real name to look for your email address oursels. 

 

Thanks

 

Markus

Fri Jan 15 2021 23:43:38 EST from sethmhur Subject: trying to configure nntp on private citadel server

So as the subject says I'm trying to configure nntp access for my rooms on a private server how would I do this?

NNTP service is enabled by default. Just point your NNTP clients to your server's IP address, port 119. You can use authentication.

You can access the rooms as they were newsgroups. They are hanging from the ctdl. top level name.

PAN (Linux) does not show the threads but slrn does and performs well.

If anybody uses the NNTP access with other clients, please, give us your experience.

NNTP posting is still not implemented in Citadel. Are the developers working on read-write NNTP access? That would be great! Also news feed management to be able to receive and send feeds to other NNTP servers (Usenet).

Wed Jan 13 2021 04:27:27 EST from hosamgamal636gmail.com Subject: Sending Mail Problem

Hello
No email is sent and this error appears
requested action not taken mailbox unavailable or relaying denied

Possible solution to this error !?

Thanks

Is your citadel using a smarthost or is it directly delivering the email?

Thu Jan 28 2021 23:57:05 EST from nristen Subject: text client not accepting commands

Hello,

Today I tried to log into the text client on my citadel server and after logging in found that I could not use any of the commands.  The only thing that partially worked was the "?" which responded with "One of ..."  Even the (T)erminate command did not work and I had to kill the citadel process in order to get out of the citadel client

My citadel server is running on a CentOS 7 VPS and is the lastest version (same as used by uncensored) installed using the Easy Install.

My first attempt to connect exited with the error that the file citadel.rc was not found.  After skimming through the Doc and FAQ I found mention of the citadel.rc file but not the content that was needed.  I "assumed" that the file just needed to be present and could contain extra options ie setting the editor to use vim or something else.

On a hunch I wondered if the source code contained a sample citadel.rc so I finally went to the download secion and under souce code, found a link to tar file for just the text client.

After downloading and extracting, sure enough there was a citadel.rc file with "lots" of content.

I copied this over to /usr/local/citadel and suddenly I had working command in the text client.

I am posting this because originally I had typed out a long message describing my system and what I had tried so far before post to the Support room.

After deleting the original post, I decided to actually describe what I did in case someone else might run into the same problem.

 

 

Hello. I ran into your very same problems and also fixed it the way you did. In my case it was a debian. Thank you for sharing.

Tue Jan 19 2021 17:47:56 EST from markus Subject: How to address smart hosts in citadel?

Hello all again,

could anybody tell me how smart host should be addressed in citadel (please be as precise as possible)?

Thanks in advance

Markus

 

From the Administration Menu, open:

Domain names and Internet mail configuration

Then fill the box at Smart hosts with the FQDN or IP address of your smarthost. That easy. The hard part is setting up a smarthost...

Thu Jan 07 2021 22:50:43 EST from markus Subject: It seems that Citadel does not forward emails to a smart host.

Hello again,

In order to test sending emails via citadel my email user agent is connects to citadel via SMTP MSA Serverport 587. Citadel itself is configured to forward each email to a smart host whoes connection parameters are set bellow Administration / Domain names and Internet mail configuration / Smart hosts. But it seems that citadel does not forward incoming emails to that smart host. Assuming connection parameters are correct, what could be the reason?

Markus

On the first place test the hostname you set up at Citadel resolves the correct IP address from the server Citadel runs. Then test, from the same server, the connection to port 25 (in case of this is the port) from the smarthost. You can do:

telnet smarthost 25

You should get some output like this:

Escape character is '^]'.
220 server.domain ESMTP Postfix

If above tests are successful, check the log of the smarthost server in case of having access to it. If not, ask the sys admin from the smarthost server for the activity that comes from your Citadel's server, if there is any.

smart-host: Normally, Citadel sends outbound Internet e-mail directly to its destination. This may not be appropriate for some sites; you may require (due to local convention, security policy, or whatever) that all outbound mail be sent to an SMTP relay or forwarder. To configure this functionality, simply enter the domain name or IP address of your relay as a 'smart-host' entry.

If your relay server is running on a port other than the standard SMTP port 25, you can also specify the port number using "host:port" syntax; i.e. relay99.myisp.com:2525

Furthermore, if your relay server requires authentication, you can specify it using username:password@host or username:password@host:port syntax; for example, jsmith:pass123@relay99.myisp.com:25

A fallback host is a smart-host that is only used if mail cannot be delivered directly to its destination. This is useful if you prefer direct delivery but do not want your server queue filling up with deferred deliveries.

https://www.citadel.org/system_administration_manual.html

Mon Feb 01 2021 04:49:58 PM EST from digbick Subject: Re: How to address smart hosts in citadel?

 

Tue Jan 19 2021 17:47:56 EST from markus Subject: How to address smart hosts in citadel?

Hello all again,

could anybody tell me how smart host should be addressed in citadel (please be as precise as possible)?

Thanks in advance

Markus

 

 

From the Administration Menu, open:

Domain names and Internet mail configuration

Then fill the box at Smart hosts with the FQDN or IP address of your smarthost. That easy. The hard part is setting up a smarthost...

 

Hello.

I'd like to know if the developers are working on (or is it planned) adding posting and feed control features to the Citadel's NNTP service.

Thank you.