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[#] Sun Sep 30 2018 23:34:06 EDT from scott @ Uncensored

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Thank you for the confirmation.  I have found a (rather) undesirable workaround, but it does work:

I have used the email forwarding option at my domain registrar and created a catchall there to forward all mail to a specific user account on Citadel.

It's not ideal, but it does achieve my goal.



[#] Sun Sep 30 2018 23:38:40 EDT from scott @ Uncensored

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It would also be nice to be able to delete (or at least edit) messages to avoid looking like a fool when posting something that is later found to have been already answered.  :-P



[#] Mon Oct 01 2018 10:52:06 EDT from winzlo @ Uncensored

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LOL, yeah - the concept of a threaded subject field vs linear-time message system has been a rather constant philosophical debate between those in favor of Groupware vs those in favor of traditional Citadsel message handling. Perhaps having both in the code and providing either a user-config or site-config toggle to determine message behavior and enable/disable the features that go along with it (i.e. editing/deleting messages in Groupware mode) would be the most ideal compromise, though I leave that to the programmers who can best speak to the technical feasibility of doing this within the existing code base.

[#] Tue Oct 02 2018 04:03:36 EDT from ano @ Uncensored

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@userT, @IGnatius T Foobar

Sorry for the delay...

I tried to connect with Psi, Swift, Conversations, Pidgin.



[#] Tue Oct 02 2018 04:49:21 EDT from ioio @ Uncensored

Subject: Force WebCit to https

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What is the best way to redirect http requests to https with the internal webserver?



[#] Tue Oct 02 2018 10:42:38 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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LOL, yeah - the concept of a threaded subject field vs linear-time
message system has been a rather constant philosophical debate between

those in favor of Groupware vs those in favor of traditional Citadsel


Actually, the server has full support for a threaded message view. I even wrote the code to test a threaded message display. It worked fine, but there's a problem with using it: to make it useful, everyone has to agree to use the <R>eply command when they're replying to an existing message. We have a lot of people who are using the text client and will reply to a message using the <E>nter-message command (perhaps after hitting <S>top to break out of a read command). This, of course, causes the reply to appear as a new top-level message instead of as a reply.

In the Blog view, we use message threading to tie comments to a blog post.
That's why you can't do <E>nter-message in a Blog room unless you're the blog owner. A top level message is shown as a blog post, and anything underneath it is shown as a comment.

[#] Tue Oct 02 2018 10:43:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The same thing as I put in my first post, the errors about binding
ports to "192.168.0.0/29", over and over again.

Citadel should only log those errors once. If the log is filling up, something might be causing Citadel to restart.

[#] Tue Oct 02 2018 10:44:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Force WebCit to https

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What is the best way to redirect http requests to https with the
internal webserver?

WebCit cannot do that on its own. You will need to issue the redirect from some other web server.

[#] Tue Oct 02 2018 10:58:33 EDT from ano @ Uncensored

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Tue Oct 02 2018 04:03:36 EDT from ano @ Uncensored Subject: Re: XMPP server

@userT, @IGnatius T Foobar

Sorry for the delay...

I tried to connect with Psi, Swift, Conversations, Pidgin.



... and Gajim.

 

From RFC-3920:

   7.  If the TLS negotiation is unsuccessful, the receiving entity MUST
       terminate the TCP connection.  If the TLS negotiation is
       successful, the initiating entity MUST initiate a new stream by
       sending an opening XML stream header to the receiving entity (it
       is not necessary to send a closing </stream> tag first, since the
       receiving entity and initiating entity MUST consider the original
       stream to be closed upon successful TLS negotiation).

 



[#] Thu Oct 04 2018 05:29:05 EDT from tylnesh @ Uncensored

Subject: Proper way of migrating citadel installation?

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Hello! What's the proper way of migrating Citadel installation on Ubuntu? Is compressing /usr/local/citadel and moving to a new server enough?

 



[#] Thu Oct 04 2018 07:10:48 EDT from Samwell @ Uncensored

Subject: Remote retrieval problem

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Hello,

I've Citadel running on my Raspberry Pi 3B.

I want to gather all my mails from several accounts [Yahoo, Google,...] via POP3 (Remote retrieval) and  connect to citadel server with several devices (mobile phones, PC's, etc..) via IMAP (DNS is right set in my router).

I have configured the pop3 "remote retrieval" settings for Yahoo Mail [ Remote host: pop.mail.yahoo.com  User name: XXXXXX@yahoo.com   Interval: 300] - but no mails will be retrieved.

Is there anyone, who is using the "remote retrieval" function an can help me?

thx in advance!

 

 



[#] Thu Oct 04 2018 08:51:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Proper way of migrating citadel installation?

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Hello! What's the proper way of migrating Citadel installation on
Ubuntu? Is compressing /usr/local/citadel and moving to a new server
enough?

If the source and destination servers are the same CPU architecture (for example, 64-bit x86) then yes, you can just copy /usr/local/citadel to the new server, then just run Easy Install on the new server and it'll set everything up for you.

If they are different architectures (for example, moving from ARM to Intel) then you have to use ctdlmigrate.

[#] Wed Oct 10 2018 20:09:14 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

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So if one wants to uninstall Citadel one just deletes the directories inside /usr.

But what happens to the systemd unit or system scripts used to start Citadel at boot? Shouldn't they be also deleted?

Thanks.

BTW, posted again in Development room.



[#] Thu Oct 11 2018 19:36:43 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: XMPP server

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TLS negotiation is successful, the initiating entity MUST
initiate a new stream by sending an opening XML stream header
to the receiving entity (it is not necessary to send a closing

Originally I thought that perhaps Citadel was mis-handling this, but it doesn't appear that this is the case. Citadel XMPP service responds to the client opening a new <stream> header by replying with a new <stream> header of its own.

Pidgin is working perfectly for me, so I'm interersted in hearing exactly how it's misbehaving for others. Hopefully there's just a tiny problem somewhere we can fix.

[#] Fri Oct 12 2018 16:08:23 EDT from PiratePTG @ Uncensored

Subject: CP/M Citadel 2.26

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I don't suppose anyone in here remembers how to set up Citadel 2.26 running on CP/M, do they?  I used to run Beta Mountain in Nashville, TN back in the 80's...  I still have all the hardware (Radio Shack Model 4, 128K, Montezuma Micro CP/M 2.2) and software (25 or so DSDD mini-floppies) but can't seem to get the old system to wake up and run...  I still have the BDS C compiler and linker, all of the source files, just can't seem to make this good old system operate...

 

I remember that there was a "startup sequence" that required a couple other programs to load before Citadel but I just don't remember what anymore...  I ran Beta Mountain straight from CP/M, not using Bye510, so know that isn't the problem...

 

Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller??

 



[#] Sat Oct 13 2018 11:28:55 EDT from userT @ Uncensored

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Thu Oct 11 2018 19:36:43 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: XMPP server
TLS negotiation is successful, the initiating entity MUST
initiate a new stream by sending an opening XML stream header
to the receiving entity (it is not necessary to send a closing

Originally I thought that perhaps Citadel was mis-handling this, but it doesn't appear that this is the case. Citadel XMPP service responds to the client opening a new <stream> header by replying with a new <stream> header of its own.

Pidgin is working perfectly for me, so I'm interersted in hearing exactly how it's misbehaving for others. Hopefully there's just a tiny problem somewhere we can fix.

Well, in my case I have been already describing how's failing for me at the Development room.
For Pidgin settings I'm following almost verbosely this article http://www.citadel.org/doku.php?id=faq:everydayuse:jabber#configuring.a.jabber.client.to.access.citadel
And I say "almost verbosely" because of just 2 differences: I use my own account data obviously, and I can't use "allow plaintext auth" option due to what I describe below.

I just reviewed @ano 's past logs about the problem he currently has, and if I'm not wrong it's TLS related.
Last Pidgin version that still accepted non SSL/TLS connections was 2.7.3. From then onwards Pidgin no longer has those options; at most it has "use old-style SSL" option.
I'm using latest stable Pidgin, and certainly I had "invalid TLS certificate" errors at first (of course I don't have CA authority certs in the test server...).
A solution I found worky was downloading the server's own certificate either by exporting it through web browser (Firefox in my case), or by running in the server
openssl s_client -connect 192.168.1.2:5222 -starttls xmpp
whatever the case renaming the obtained file *exactly* like server's plain ip (for example, filename was exactly "192.168.1.2"), and finally copying the file to Pidgin's certificates directory.
Now this is only for Pidgin; I'm currently clueless about any other client...

Now, then Pidgin has always worked perfectly for you? Then could problem be actually on Citadel settings on my side?
I run easy install once a day, so I always have current Citadel release. Also, since first time install I use "internal user database" and created new users just like "a username" and "a password for username". No FQDNs, no email addresses (I even disabled Citadel's email ports because I don't use this function).
Any server's settings data I could show here in order to debug the problem?

IG, I see current discussion here and the one at Development room are very close related. Should we just leave them separated, or could we somehow "merge" discussions?



[#] Sun Oct 14 2018 05:10:38 EDT from winzlo @ Uncensored

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Answered in the development room. :)

[#] Tue Oct 16 2018 09:36:38 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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If we're going to do protocol debugs and make adjustments in the code we can do that in the development room.

[#] Wed Oct 17 2018 10:33:07 EDT from dwomackcatt.com @ Uncensored

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Trying to use EasyInstall in latest Raspbian Pixel VM as test. 

The terminal window shows multiple warnings. Should I worry about these or just ignore. 

Thanks

 

Dennis



[#] Wed Oct 17 2018 17:10:07 EDT from dwomackcatt.com @ Uncensored

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I ran EasyInstall a second time (reinstall) and everything seemed to install ok.  Strange.

 

Dennis

Wed Oct 17 2018 10:33:07 EDT from dwomackcatt.com @ Uncensored Subject: EasyInstall warnings

Trying to use EasyInstall in latest Raspbian Pixel VM as test. 

The terminal window shows multiple warnings. Should I worry about these or just ignore. 

Thanks

 

Dennis



 



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