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[#] Mon Jun 20 2016 02:10:53 EDT from rat @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: End of the line for an old troll

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Sun Jun 19 2016 17:02:55 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored Subject: Re: End of the line for an old troll

I searched the user name "Curly Surmudgeon", it seems he was an angry person who made friends everywhere.

Understatement. An extremely polarizing figure made worse by his refusal to ever concede to defeat or admit that he was wrong. I wouldn't say he was an outright troll as he more-or-less genuinely (and often obsessively) believed in what he would argue for. 

For those who may remember the name, I went by Roadkill back in the day on here.

One of my last exchanges with him was about Ron Paul on Facebook. I kept trying to point out to Curly that Ron was nothing more than a grifter looking to pay out to his family using campaign funds despite having no chance in securing the nomination (Paul didn't even win his own district). He kept insisting that Paul was one of the last good ones in Government and nothing could truly sully his name... and being that I never come to a fight an argument without being prepared, I pasted my some 50 or 60 odd links about Paul's associations with the people who own Stormfront, etc... Individually nothing was terribly bad but as a whole, nothing was flattering. (He tried as hard as he could to deny the newsletters so I came prepared with links about everything BUT the newsletters, for example)

It was too much for him to consider, probably... given my relationship with him and having known him for nearly 20 years at that point. (And no, even in hindsight, I can't say he struck me as someone who would be a kiddie diddler. Some odd remarks here or there but nothing out of the line. He hid his secret well.) Well, he shut me down and defriended me on Facebook and emailed me basically saying, in not so few words...

"You should stop letting the government pay for the meds that keep you alive."

A lot more where that came from but that was the gist of it. The world is ending, the country will collapse, we're all doomed... but you might as well let yourself die first. 

My reply to him was to the effect of... "how would you appreciate it if this was something someone said to your daughter," and after much consideration due to his increasingly erratic and paranoid state... I told him to never contact me again. Fortunately, he did not.

Unfortunately, he was also one of my oldest friends and one of the first people I came out to. Some of us from the Sacramento BBS scene (Vector, Jetrock, Sinner, Moon Knight, few others I can't remember) all knew each other rather well (as well as we thought, apparently) and people know how small those circles can run. The fact that I can even say it was a dialup BBS thing does rather punctuate how far back we went.

I don't even remember what compelled me to google his name when I did and first saw the article about 3 years ago about his arrest under Operation Sunflower. The entire first two pages of the results at the time were about nothing but his arrest and court documents. So I checked back every now and then and just managed to search after a few months the exact day his verdict was announced. 

The DOJ put out an official release. Mostly the same as the article. https://www.justice.gov/usao-edca/pr/sacramento-man-found-guilty-receipt-child-pornography

And at this point... I hope he rots. It takes a lot for someone to make me feel like he thoroughly betrayed a friendship and he managed to do so effortlessly. 

20 years max. Too bad he won't remember it as I'm pretty sure he'd been sliding into dementia for some time. 



[#] Mon Jun 20 2016 17:42:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: End of the line for an old troll

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There were some here who thought that he was mentally unstable. I just found him to be someone who was so persistent and demanding to win any argument he happened to get into that he harmed the medium itself. I don't recall when it first happened, but at some point someone randomly called him a pedophile, just some random insult that was tossed out, and he immediately came unhinged.
Big time. It was different from everything that had previously happened.
This time he totally lost his shit, and this time he was threatening to sue everyone involved, to seek damages not only in money but also ownership of the domain name -- he wanted us wiped out *and* off the Internet.

I guess it was some time in 2013 or 2014, some time after he'd alienated every other Citadel site operator by chastising them for not joining him in taking up arms against IGnatius Hitler Foobar and the Bigoted Religionist Army ... that I happened to be thinking about him for some reason and poked around on Google to see if he'd been up to anything lately, figuring I'd find some other place on the 'net that he would be pulling his usual antics.
That's when I discovered that he was being prosecuted as an ACTUAL pedophile.

It was surreal. There is no other word to describe it. Surreal.

Again, mixed feelings. Great to emerge victorious over the biggest troll of all time. Not so great to know that there were helpless victims.

[#] Tue Jun 21 2016 00:08:15 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Thank you IG for looking the bull in the eye, and stopping quite an avalanche of hurt.  You are one of the good ones in my book.  You know that you have friends here, and other places, for being the sort of person you are, and surrounding yourself with that same tumultuous spirit.  Keep up the good fight.



[#] Mon Nov 28 2016 16:56:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: End of the line for an old troll

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Speaking of which ... does anyone know the whereabouts of our old friend Lysdexia?
He made a brief return to Uncensored a couple of years ago, only to land smack in the middle of a Curly flamewar, and he got frustrated and wandered away. If he were to land back here again he would find the environment much more habitable.

[#] Mon Nov 28 2016 17:01:08 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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In other news...

Notice: This domain name expired on 11/01/16 and is pending renewal or deletion
Welcome to
quartz.org
This domain registration expired on 11/01/2016.
Do you own this domain? Renew It Now

Are they finally putting that tired old horse out to pasture? I always hated the fact that they chose to "compete" rather than join the wider Citadel community.
Later on they went as far as to rewrite the entire system rather than just join us, which would have been mutually beneficial.

I'm tempted to snipe the domain just so that anyone who happens to try "ssh bbs@quartz.org" in the future lands here.

[#] Mon Nov 28 2016 22:25:38 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I'm not sure if they're planning to renew the domain.

As an FYI...Dave (Penguin Opus) actually moved off of the old Cit/UX code he was running and rewrote it in Perl with a MySQL backend.

[#] Tue Nov 29 2016 10:17:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Right, that's what I was referring to with "rewrite the entire system." It was foolish of him to fork the code in 1992, but it was downright moronic to write yet another implementation in 2011(?) when they could have taken advantage of the modern Citadel system, joined the wider community, expanded the user base by joining the network, and increased the site activity by finally having a web interface. If they *really* wanted to continue having a "DaveCode" experience for the half-dozen people who still cared, he could have done his Perl thing as a Citadel client.

We would have welcomed our "separated brethren" and everyone would have had a great experience.

I suppose our friends in Iowa will eventually meet the same fate.

[#] Tue Nov 29 2016 16:36:27 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I suppose our friends in Iowa will eventually meet the same fate.

Ah, yes...ISCA...I fell off of that system over a decade (may be two) ago, and never bothered to go back.

That variant drove me to distraction, anyhow.

[#] Tue Nov 29 2016 17:51:06 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That variant drove me to distraction, anyhow.

Distraction on Davecode (Quartz, Prism, etc) and DOC (ISCA) came mainly from the fact that neither Dave nor Dave (no relation) was willing to implement what we called "march mode" -- a behavior that takes the user on a full tour of all rooms with new messages when the <G>oto option is repeatedly selected.
Without march mode, selecting <G>oto always takes the user to the *first* room with new messages, which on a busy system causes the first few rooms in the list to turn into a babblefest that has little to no value even a few minutes later.

(In that respect, it's a lot like Fecesbook.)

Still very frustrating that none of those guys were willing to join our community.
We could have done some great things together, but they had this really bad "not invented here" attitude and an us-and-them arrogance that eventually started driving potential newbies away. They were never willing to offer a toasty warm car fire to folks who wandered in.

[#] Wed Nov 30 2016 11:59:52 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Distraction on Davecode (Quartz, Prism, etc) and DOC (ISCA) came
mainly from the fact that neither Dave nor Dave (no relation) was
willing to implement what we called "march mode" -- a behavior that
takes the user on a full tour of all rooms with new messages when the

<G>oto option is repeatedly selected.
Without march mode, selecting <G>oto always takes the user to the
*first* room with new messages, which on a busy system causes the first

few rooms in the list to turn into a babblefest that has little to no

value even a few minutes later.

Interesting...I can't speak for DOC, as I've not been on a DOC system in a LOOOONNNNGGG time, so I don't recall, but "Davecode" definitely employed march mode in all the time I used it (from 1990 forward).

Babblemode happened, anyhow, because Quartz was so busy that as soon as you cycled through everything, you would immediately have new messages in the busiest rooms, anyhow.

[#] Mon Dec 05 2016 19:29:28 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I prefer to believe that babble mode happened because of the low quality of the community itself.