Will be a shame to lose the 'room' label, but i know, we gotta get out of the 80s at some point if we are going to survive.

Mentioning nextcloud, and just a random thought: i wonder if a plugin at some point would be appropriate?  Sure, they wouldn't be using the NG interface that you are working hard on, but at least the back end would be used, potentially increasing the user base.  The email plugin already will work, unsure about dav to calendars and contacts ( ill have to look on my install ), so might be just a couple of pieces that need to be created for it. ( and i know, even if that were to happen its WAY down the road )

will there be a migration assistant from old citadel to new citadel?

I have trepidations about the scale of change, being very much in my comfort zone with the current version of Citadel I have running in VM - very stable and requiring little user interaction. 


But... I can see that this version will probably light a fire for me to move forward. I think it probably will attract more users, too. 

Oooh. That looks much nicer. 

I do believe that is more than just interface stuff.   That would also need some back end changes which a bad thing to do when you are trying to create new GUI for an existing app.  Its a good way to get yourself into trouble.

Sat Feb 12 2022 08:23:20 PM EST from test2 Subject: Re: WebCit-NG early screenshots

needs the "Edit" button!! add that in!

 

 

needs the "Edit" button!! add that in!

Sat Feb 12 2022 04:48:09 PM EST from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: WebCit-NG early screenshots

Interested in seeing what the new WebCit will look like?  Here's a nice screenshot of the forum view.  This is a very early preview, just to give you an idea of the kind of future we're building for everyone's favorite software.  

 

Yes, this is very much vaporware right now!  It won't be ready for some time yet, because only the forum view is complete.  As we develop the mailbox, calendar, contacts, blog, and wiki views, and fit out all of the settings and administrative tools, we'll post more screenshots.   This is just to give you an idea of what's in store.  WebCit-NG follows a "REST-first, DAV-first" development methodology, and the client-side UI follows the "responsive" development style so it will look great on both large and small screens.

 

 

In case anyone's wondering, we're using the W3.CSS framework, which is more lightweight than Bootstrap.  Much of the iconography is from Font Awesome.  And no, we're not using JQuery.

oooo fancy.   Will sort of miss the old classic look, but everyone else is moving on to 'modern look'. 

Got mine upgraded but the versions dont match for core and webcit? Server says 942 but webcit still says 941  ( easy install ).  Will have to tackle Lets Encrypt bot this weekend. 

And sort of related to the last 2 posts: i wonder what the max load we could take with a decent sized box. ( concurrent.. not just mailboxes registered )

As part of a continued effort to not run afoul of recipient DKIM parsers when we deliver to mailing lists, we have made another change ... which those of you receiving this list on gmail will never find out about because goolag is still blocking our domain (seriously ... y'all are Citadel fans ... why are you still using gmail?)

Effective with server version 942, we will now set both the Reply-to: and From: headers to the address of the room rather than the address of the mailing list participant who mailed into the room.  We were already doing Reply-to: but now we do From: as well. 

The "display name" of the original user will be retained, regardless of whether the message originated as a remote email or as a post directly to Citadel.   For example:
   IGnatius T Foobar <room_my_mailing_list@frobozz.citadel.org>

We hope that this will help mailing lists to work better. 

Sat Aug 21 2021 19:08:24 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Docker container of Citadel is now ready to download

Docker images are ready for testing :)

Go to https://www.citadel.org/docker.html to learn more. So far, this is working way better than the AppImage distribution was, and most of the work we did on that has translated very nicely to the container. It's extremely stable and should be compatible with any host system on which Docker will run.

We have 64-bit AMD/Intel and 32-bit ARM containers available.

It is currently considered a test build, but our intention is to make it the primary way people run the Citadel system, both on your own hardware and in the cloud.

hi, i posted a couple of messages in the support forum, re the docker images.

the download site did not mension it was for testing only, or maybe it was not obvious.

i have no prob running on test release if it works though so moving on.....

im now running the docker image as my home system, and its very stable, only thing that did not work, and whats not 

obvious , a way to fix was the generation of the keys.

im running it on rocky linux 8, essentialy centos/redhat.

i ran the three openssl commands to generatev the 3 keys for webcit and citadel in the citadel-data directory, and restarted

but i still cant enable non strict ssl or starttls on thunderbird or access webcit through https, whereas i could on my old citadel 8 rpm version.

any pointers?

regards peter

MUCH better so far..  

Other than the expected complaint about 32bit image on a 64 bit OS, it loaded and ran without crashing on my 64bit ARM board.  Admin account worked and was able to create a new user and get in.  Will do more testing tomorow.

I plan on giving this a shot later this week or weekend on the Pi400+. 

Sat Jun 05 2021 11:07:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: AppImage releases of Citadel

You should be able to run the 32 bit image on a 64 bit board. In fact, I would love it if you could try that.

I didnt think about the 32/64 bit issue.  All my ARM boards i 'use' are 64bit.  I do have a Banana PI M3 in the closet. Ill have to dig it out later today and load it with Armbian Bullseye. Its a 32bit chip.

On the agenda for this weekend.  Now that the jeep is mostly done ill have spare time. 

Fri Jun 04 2021 07:38:48 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: AppImage releases of Citadel

That works too. But the offer is always there if you need access to
hardware you dont have that i do.

You can totally help by downloading the appimage and trying it out on your ARM board. From what I understand, if you're running Armbian then that means you have something other than a Raspberry Pi.

I looked for the definitive listing of Linux flavors supported and never found it.  on the Appimage website it shows the linux brand "icons" for the major flavors.  Deb, Red, Ubuntu etc... but no "written" listing with references to the popular derived flavors i.e. raspberry pi OS, raspian, Mint, and the myriad others...

oh wait, that's normal in the linux environment.

Fri Jun 04 2021 12:48:20 PM EDT from Nurb432 Subject: Re: AppImage releases of Citadel

That works too. But the offer is always there if you need access to hardware you dont have that i do.

And i think i offered to send you a Jetson if we really needed some beefier hardware.  If not, i meant to.    ( not a NX :) )

Fri Jun 04 2021 12:02:45 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: AppImage releases of Citadel

Not to worry ... I have just received word that a Pi 4 is being contributed by a generous donor, so if I want to, I can keep doing 32-bit builds on the Pi 3 that PD contributed, and 64-bit on the Pi 4.

That works too. But the offer is always there if you need access to hardware you dont have that i do.

And i think i offered to send you a Jetson if we really needed some beefier hardware.  If not, i meant to.    ( not a NX :) )

Fri Jun 04 2021 12:02:45 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: AppImage releases of Citadel

Not to worry ... I have just received word that a Pi 4 is being contributed by a generous donor, so if I want to, I can keep doing 32-bit builds on the Pi 3 that PD contributed, and 64-bit on the Pi 4.

Awesome. 

You should really put up a Patreon and encourage users to donate equipment they want to see Citadel running stable on. Many other developers have adopted this method to get a little appreciation for their FOSS efforts. 

Fri Jun 04 2021 12:02:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: AppImage releases of Citadel

Not to worry ... I have just received word that a Pi 4 is being contributed by a generous donor, so if I want to, I can keep doing 32-bit builds on the Pi 3 that PD contributed, and 64-bit on the Pi 4.

That having been said, I still do not expect we will need to support both for a long time. The transition to 64-bit on x86 is pretty much complete at this point, and it will probably happen soon on ARM.

So ... for anyone interested in trying out the AppImage on a Raspberry Pi or other ARM board, go ahead and download the image we have on the web site.
Just don't run it in production yet :)

If you need 64 bit ARM to compile and test against, let me know and ill get you access to one here. ( most likely Armbian, which is pretty generic and really common for ARM folks )

Thu Jun 03 2021 01:33:05 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: AppImage releases of Citadel

We are excited to unveil a new and easy way to install and run the Citadel system on Linux.

[ https://www.citadel.org/appimage.html ]

AppImage is a single-file binary that contains an entire application and all of its dependencies. This means most users will no longer have to sit through an Easy Install build. Just download the AppImage and run it. It's even capable of installing itself onto the system to start at every boot.
Upgrading will be just as easy.

We currently have beta release builds for 64-bit x86 and 32-bit ARM. Give them a try on the Linux system of your choice.

I agree. Even if they cant do 64bit for some strange reason, the 'old' way of installing didnt go away on them.  Its not like you tossed them off the island. You are just telling them that they have to bring their own booze to the party.

Even for us old guys who covets our 8 bit Atari, the reality is tech moves on... 

Thu May 27 2021 04:47:02 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

There won't be EOL because we haven't started supporting it.  Not with the binary AppImages.  They can continue to run Easy Install if they want to keep going on 32-bit.  And they can do a ctdlmigrate if they want to move to AppImage on 64-bit.  Heck, I have to do exactly that on x86 to move Uncensored to the AppImage distribution.

ctdlmigrate is a great experience now.  It isn't exactly fast but it's sooooper reliable compared to how it used to run.  And it uses color text and box drawing because I missed out on that during the days when DOS programmers could assume their terminal type but unix people had to deal with a terminfo database.

So far what I'm hearing is "go for 64 bit only and let them deal with it."  This is what I want to do, because in a couple of years everything's going to be 64 bit anyway.

There won't be EOL because we haven't started supporting it.  Not with the binary AppImages.  They can continue to run Easy Install if they want to keep going on 32-bit.  And they can do a ctdlmigrate if they want to move to AppImage on 64-bit.  Heck, I have to do exactly that on x86 to move Uncensored to the AppImage distribution.

ctdlmigrate is a great experience now.  It isn't exactly fast but it's sooooper reliable compared to how it used to run.  And it uses color text and box drawing because I missed out on that during the days when DOS programmers could assume their terminal type but unix people had to deal with a terminfo database.

So far what I'm hearing is "go for 64 bit only and let them deal with it."  This is what I want to do, because in a couple of years everything's going to be 64 bit anyway.

I think the response you're going to get to the poll will say it all. 

You won't get complaints until AFTER you EOL 32 bit support for Pi. Those will be corner cases who weren't paying attention going, "How did this happen? Why wasn't I told?" 

ill spin up a vm this weekend. 

Wed May 26 2021 07:49:44 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Quick poll for users of Citadel on a Raspberry Pi

Will the app-images replace easy install someday, or just provide a
2nd option?  ( i hope never replace. Compilation is always the best
thing to do in my book )

I don't see Easy Install going away. There are so many satisfied users, probably thousands of sites, it works well and generally gets the job done.

AppImage may become the flagship installation method, if it turns out to work well on the majority of systems. And if you have an x86 machine you can try it right now. A beta version is now available from the download page.
It really is "plug and play", just download a single file and run it.

Curious and i may have just missed it:

Will the app-images replace easy install someday, or just provide a 2nd option?  ( i hope never replace. Compilation is always the best thing to do in my book )

I realize my vote is not that important in the grand scheme of things, but i would also vote to drop 32 bit for ARM if its a pain to support. Its 2021 after all.

Anyone that wants to do it, can get a 64 bit version OS to run on it. Its not hard to do, and works just fine.  Just wont be the 'officially blessed' image. If they cant pull that off on their own, perhaps they need to look at something else to run..

People attempting to run Citadel on Pi are such a corner case - I wouldn't bother asking them if I were you. 

For one thing, if they want to run it on their $35-$100 PC - it is just a matter of getting a second SD card, formatting it with the 64 bit beta build of Rpi OS, and if they don't like it, swapping back out. The Pi is a great "lab PC" in this regard because it is so easy to rapidly switch the entire profile of the computer just by plugging in a different SD card. 

And if they WANT *Citadel* on the Pi, they probably should be competent enough to get the 64bit version of a Pi OS running on it, too. 

Just my thoughts as someone who ran Citadel on a Pi 3b+ for a year or more. If I had found the Citadel page and it said, "Runs on a Pi with the 64 bit beta version of Rpi OS," it wouldn't have slowed me down for a second... especially if it were *well* supported and documented and easy to install and set up. 

Wed May 26 2021 11:04:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Quick poll for users of Citadel on a Raspberry Pi

The reason I am taking this poll is because we will be releasing a binary distribution of Citadel using the "AppImage" system, and we would like to avoid having to maintain both 32-bit and 64-bit builds if possible. We have already decided that the x86 version will be 64-bit only. On ARM it's not so easy, because the Raspberry Pi Foundation is still pushing 32-bit operating systems on 64-bit boards.

Good news. Thanks for the new release!

Could you please list the issues that are fixed with this release?

Tue Mar 09 2021 11:40:28 EST from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Citadel 931 released

We are pleased to announce that Citadel 931 has been released. You can download the latest code through Easy Install or through source tarballs. (Regrettably, support for LFHS installs has ended, which means that distribution-specific packages are likely to end as well.)

The primary focus of this release is the "ctdlmigrate" utility. If you have been looking to move your Citadel installation to a different CPU architecture (for example, from Intel to ARM, or from 32-bit to 64-bit), you can upgrade your source system to version 931 and then clone it to the target system using ctdlmigrate. This utility has been made far more robust and reliable than it has been in the past.

Awesome news. I wish I had been more available during this stage of the Citadel development process. 

Tue Mar 09 2021 11:40:28 EST from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Citadel 931 released

We are pleased to announce that Citadel 931 has been released. You can download the latest code through Easy Install or through source tarballs. (Regrettably, support for LFHS installs has ended, which means that distribution-specific packages are likely to end as well.)

The primary focus of this release is the "ctdlmigrate" utility. If you have been looking to move your Citadel installation to a different CPU architecture (for example, from Intel to ARM, or from 32-bit to 64-bit), you can upgrade your source system to version 931 and then clone it to the target system using ctdlmigrate. This utility has been made far more robust and reliable than it has been in the past.

Achievement Unlocked. RPi image made, restored and tested on a separate Pi. I've got a working backup of The Sanitarium now. 

Now to upgrade the production image to the latest version of Citadel and migrate it to the i5. 

This ought to be interesting. I do not trust that the upgrade is going to work right on Raspbian - so many other things not working quite right on that platform. But at least if I F it Up, I can go back. 

I extracted all the public facing (internally linked) urls, and am archiving them all on the wayback machine at the moment..

List of urls attached, and also a few 404s.

...just some documentation.  I've been compiling a list of older 404s I was hoping to provide redirects sometime in the future.. 

Fri Oct 30 2020 11:13:13 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

As a quick announcement --

www.citadel.org has been moved to new hosting arrangements. There should have been no noticeable changes, but if you see anything let me know and we'll take care of it right away.

Just to follow up to an extent.. sorry to be running behind, but time has been a rare commodity lately..

My last post in Support, "How to auto compact db files [Tutorial] and a Proof of Concept.."

was directed to answer the question about db file size, so I also used the opportunity to write it in markdown.

Have a look at the pdf.. [Also attached here.. ]

This is the direction I think a lot of the Citadel documentation could be going..

I've got it, thanks Art!

Tue Oct 13 2020 04:17:35 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: New web site.. "css style for pre tag"

I'm just guessing at the URL for that repo Art! .. I have no idea
what it is.. I checked the .git/config for the main citadel repo..and
just "estimated" this..
git://git.citadel.org/appl/gitroot/www.citadel.org.git

Ok, after racking my brains on this for way longer than should have been necessary ...

It's working now. And yes, that is the correct git URL. (No, HTTPS doesn't work.)

It turns out I had my git-daemon set to serve from /appl/gitroot/citadel.git, prohibiting clones of any other repository no matter how nicely I encouraged it. :(

All righty then ... back to the day job for a few more hours and then I'll get back to this again.

I'm just guessing at the URL for that repo Art! .. I have no idea what it is.. I checked the .git/config for the main citadel repo..and just "estimated" this..

git://git.citadel.org/appl/gitroot/www.citadel.org.git

That's what I'm guessing.. tried https and had a big laugh! You should try it..

git clone https://git.citadel.org/appl/gitroot/www.citadel.org.git

So, I'm sure we'll get that sorted out, but as I mentioned, I did download the whole snapshot of HEAD.

As to the rest, I'm thinking it might be good break it out into separate threads, but just to touch on things:

3. I was thinking mainly of the user contributed stuff, but I did take a look at the html of the other pages.

 The only difference would be having the body of the document entirely in its own file, and the layout css around it, being part of the outer layout.

So instead of this

<div class="w3-row-padding w3-padding-64 w3-container">

<h1>Title of Document</h1>

<!-- HTML Body of document --!>

</div>

The page/article would contain only this.

<h1>Title of Document</h1>

<!-- HTML Body of document --!>

And the outer tags come from a script that builds it all. This is really simple. Even that can be automated.. I mean, parsing out those div tags.

[Very helpful to have it nice and portable like this when web stuff changes around!]

I've got much more complicated stuff building entire documents from web pages in Latex..

I'm not on any crusade about Markdown.. not in a "cargo cult".. it's just a handy intermediate format.  easy to write.. entirely readable by itself.. It can contain html.  You can pandoc it to pretty much anything you want.

3.5 - Yes. and yes.  All that code should be documented, and that's how I was thinking about it.

4. I'll do whatever I can, particularly to free you up for writing C for the key value store. I'm used to higher level abstractions, so that's harder for me.

I'm quite invested in Citadel.. we use and rely on it.  And have for many years.. so short of anything unexpected, I am happy to help.

Thanks for your vote of confidence!

Fri Oct 09 2020 06:20:56 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: New web site.. "css style for pre tag"

A couple of thoughts:

1. I've applied the supplied fix to the PRE style, and it's looking good.
Thanks.

2. I did a "chmod -R git:git" on the www.citadel.org.git repository, so try it again.

3. Regarding the use of markdown, it's not out of the question but there has to be a way to make it easy and automatic to convert to HTML. If the web server can be programmed to translate ".md" files to HTML automatically, and also slap the header and footer on as it does so, then that's something we can look at. Alternately, we could use a Makefile to automatically build .html files from .md files, since we're treating the web site as a build now instead of as a CMS.

4. I'm thinking now that I definitely want your web design expertise on the front end of webcit-ng, if you're willing.

Art, this will fix the issue with the margin on the pre tag. I think it looks pretty good for the short term.

pre {
	height: auto;
	overflow: auto;
	background-color: #F8F8F8;
	border-left: 5px solid #02b0ef;
	margin: 1.7em 0 1.7em .3em;
	word-break: normal !important;
	word-wrap: normal !important;
	white-space: pre !important;
	color: #000;
	padding: 20px;
}



You might want to add 

min-height: 600px;

to 

.w3-container

.. a few of those pages a looking a little short!  

But I'll do a better rundown next week.

Thank you Art!..

I tried to clone the new repo..

I assumed the root would be the same as the other repositories, but maybe there's something to do to set it public. 

git clone git://git.citadel.org/appl/gitroot/www.citadel.org.git

Cloning into 'www.citadel.org'...
fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported: /appl/gitroot/www.citadel.org.git

Anyway, I downloaded a snapshot of HEAD..

I'll take a look at it.  We're doing a lot of html page conversions right now..

I don't mean to sound so narrowly focused and autistic that it doesn't sound like I am clearly addressing something... but..

The best composition and storage format for us has been markdown.. [I have an api basically, to convert pages back to markdown on the fly! .. ]

Markdown then lends itself well to conversion to both html and tex (html to tex is not so great, it's messy.. so we usually start with markdown and only a few css tags.)

Because our end goal is always printable books. [That's a thing we do a lot of.  Markdown -> latex -> printable pdf source]

You can generate html at any point, preferably after everything is proofed in the origin format. 

Most of the static site (and documentation) generators work with markdown also. 

And it's not like it would be hard to write one (static generator). 

The harder part is "designing" the book.  The craft of outlining, table of contents.. index, etc..

I've been maintaining some of my own citadel docs for a while now..Some things I've had to dig out of the wayback machine..

Really looking forward to getting to this.

You have a nice weekend!

:)

I've applied the suggested modification.  It looks pretty good ... although there's an issue with the margin.

So if you want to contribute, let's do this.   I've placed the entire site into a git repository [ https://code.citadel.org/ ] under "www.citadel.org.git".   See if you can pull that down and tinker with it.  If it looks like something you can work with, we can either do pull requests or I'll set up an account with write access to the repository.

The site is, very deliberately, built with static HTML.  The only dynamic portion of it at all is the use of server-side includes to put a consistent header and footer on each page.  My goal was to move away from maintaining a document management system so that the web site is simple, maintainable, and doesn't consume time that would be better spent on Citadel itself.   (The old site used a wiki as its CMS with the intention of community maintenance, but it eventually got into pretty bad shape.)

Okay, forget "<code>" <pre> is already in use.. it's just not styled.

I didn't intend complex syntax highlighting requiring a javascript package.. just enough css for a little code block.

I was thinking something.. like this. (It looks a little better outside the tinymce editor.. ), just enough to be clear it's actual "code" or "commands".

It would be nice to have this on Uncensored! also for doing support stuff. I find myself typing <pre style="font-family:mono;"> a lot.

I bumped up the font size for visibility here.. probably not necessary.. Base font size is alleged to be 16px anyway..

pre {
    height: auto;
    overflow: auto;
    background-color: #fcfcfc;
    border-left: 5px solid #02b0ef;
    margin: 1.7em 0 1.7em .3em;
    word-break: normal !important;
    word-wrap: normal !important;
    white-space: pre !important;
    color: #000;
    font-size: 16px;
}

#!/bin/bash
echo "The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain."

sudo su

I really like it!  Only a few minor things.. and a feature request.. 

* Some of the formatting didn't survive the conversion process..

* Speaking specifically about any kind of code syntax highlighting..

* I write a lot of documents in markdown.. convert with pandoc.. and get by with only one or two html tags..

* One important of which is <code> </code>, a clearly delineated block of code for somebody to copy & paste..

* The new citadel website could use this, or a similar class in a few locations.. (bash stuff, and "commands")..

* I'd also like to see the ability to submit user created procedures or recipes.. how to, etc..

* Submit in plain markdown.md with <code></code> tags..

* Possibly as "comments" on an article, but mainly thinking about "how to", "tips and tricks" sections...

* Users scp/ftp their markdown file somewhere.. somebody looks at it, moves it to another directory (admin approval!)

* Markdown gets auto-generated into html on a "how to/tutorial" page..

It would be really nice.. I have a lot to contribute!

Sat Jul 04 2020 12:26:02 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

In other CitaNews, I'm pleased to announce that we have launched our new and improved project web site.

[ http://www.citadel.org ]

This has been in the works for a long time. The very dated-looking dokuwiki site has been retired. All of the information from that site has been moved to the new site, and much of it has been rewritten to become up to date with the current state of the Citadel system.

Corrections and suggestions are always welcome, of course.

very cool! some links from web searches points to 404 pages though. Also letsencrypt https could be useful as some browsers starts blocking non https stuff.

Cheers!

zap (forget) the room.

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I see, a person shouldn't click on the shaded areas of text, a person should click on the lines above and below the text.

Are there supposed to be links on this page?

http://www.citadel.org/download.html

For some reason, whenever hearing the name "Prothero" reminds me of the character Lewis Prothero from V for Vendetta comic...

Here's something I either didn't know or wasn't paying attention to when it happened.  Jeff Prothero, aka Cynbe ru Taren, died on 2016-nov-16.  He was 60 years old.

For those not familiar -- he was the author of the early CP/M implementation of Citadel.  The text-mode client of today's modern Citadel is based upon the user interface he designed in 1981.  He's widely known as the originator of this famous UI, which has remained useful for nearly 40 years and has been implemented in numerous room-based software packages ... even though he handed off the code to David Mitchell just a few months later.

I'm not sure what else to add here, or even if anything needs to be added.  (Based on some things he's said over the years, I am having Crispy thoughts, but I'll keep them to myself for now.)  There doesn't seem to be an obituary online anywhere, but a bit of web scrubbing suggests he died of colorectal cancer.   Although he was only a minor player in terms of time and effort spent in building Citadel software and communities over the years, none of it would have ever existed without him as the originator, so we raise a glass or a flaming shot or something to the guy who started it all.

I had just been thinking client, but porky no lass dose?

I miss NNTP in Citadel and would happily contribute bug reports.

In addition to citadel, I also run mystic bbs which has the following features, http://mysticbbs.com/features.html

I have not really played with many of the options listed in the top "Internet/Network Integration"  but I wonder if NNTP might be a way to integrate the two?  Or maybe the mentioned "email based echomail".

On the fidonet topic:

Fidonet seems to be much the same with the spam and flame wars.

Another echomail net that is much more friendly and active (several hundred nodes)  is called fsxNet.

http://bbs.nz/#fsxNet

Wed Sep 26 2018 14:23:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Depends on whether you plan to participate in its development. That includes participation via documentation, testing, etc, not just code.

Well, if it is allowed, I'd certainly be willing to.

As I mentioned in my first post in the Development room, coding is not exactly my strong point, though I have had to make my way through it -it's not that coding doesn't interest me-.

But, as also mentioned, I do have some time for reading and testing, for example. Also open to other types of participation if needed.

If I may mention it, my primary interests would be the XMPP server and the upcoming Webcit-ng interface; improving them -and speeding their development if possible-. But if you say "right now we need to fix this and that first" I adapt as well.

I know this is the 2nd time I hint at all of this, and of course don't intend to annoy people with the same arguments neither. It's just that, just saying "I wanna help, tell me where to" sounded kinda rude and even a bit retarded. And with the lack of feedback in the Development room I thought "then I should at least begin somewhere", which was the XMPP server (currently learning how to use gdb).

But, if you could mention where or how some participation is needed, it would be very helpful.

If I'm missing something about how things work here, please tell.

Thanks in advance.

Just curious, could a upcoming-webcit-ng discussion fit here, or the Development room?

Either that's news or I was way too distracted... last time I tested a "problem user" in test server I currently have (i.e., months ago), the "Enter a message" button would simply not work; it'd not open the Post message window nor do anything.

I didn't ever ask him to leave Haven BBS, however I did restrict his access to the Network rooms.   I don't remember if I made it so he couldn't see them, or if he just couldn't post, thinking on it, I think I made it so he couldn't see the rooms.  He eventually left after I did something that made him angry, I think it might have been enforcing the rules that the BBS operated under.  

I see that he's now doing 10 years in the California Penal System - probably out in 5, though.  If he was as much of a Citadel fan as suggested, I suspect you guys willl be hearing from him in 2021.  I bet he'll use a different name, though.  https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sacramento-man-receives-10-year-prison-term-child-pornography-case

THIS 10-watt bulb?  The name rings a bell.  Can't say much more than that.

Maybe one of them will, but I have no idea who/what you're referring to.

Heh.  Since many of our new friends are from the old Sacramento BBS scene, some of them might actually remember him.