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[#] Thu Apr 07 2022 18:54:57 EDT from Nurb432

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I bet so. Every one i buy from inserts a card or thank you note with a web page, and there you can order direct. 

 

 

Thu Apr 07 2022 06:32:27 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
As of late, I use Amazon only to locate small sellers and then
purchase the stuff from them off-band :P Medium sized regional

Hey, that's a good idea. Do you find that most Amazon sellers are willing to sell direct?

 



[#] Tue Apr 12 2022 09:11:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I just scanned around a little bit ... some of the sellers I'm looking at, their direct prices are higher than their Amazon prices. WTF?

[#] Tue Apr 12 2022 14:51:58 EDT from Nurb432

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That is odd.. Not sure i have ever seen that for anything i wanted to buy.  Sometimes amazon is 10x the price. 

Tue Apr 12 2022 09:11:56 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
I just scanned around a little bit ... some of the sellers I'm looking at, their direct prices are higher than their Amazon prices. WTF?

 



[#] Tue Apr 12 2022 16:38:52 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I can absolutely set you up with a Ukrainian mail order bride if you want. Or, point you to a service that will do it. 

Legit, opt-in one where it isn't human trafficking - it is a real Ukrainian woman who wants an American husband. But - they're interested in your finances, not you - and the former Soviet Bloc countries have the highest incidence of STDs in the *world*. 



[#] Thu Apr 14 2022 12:25:25 EDT from Nurb432

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Might have been mentioned ( pretty sure the % ownership was ) but looks like Elon is NOT going to accept a seat on the board of Twitter. He does not want to be capped at a % of ownership ( i didnt know that was a thing, something like 14%. ).   So expect a hostile takeover this summer i bet.



[#] Thu Apr 14 2022 13:09:14 EDT from zelgomer

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2022-04-14 16:25 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
Might have been mentioned ( pretty sure the % ownership was ) but
looks like Elon is NOT going to accept a seat on the board of
Twitter. He does not want to be capped at a % of ownership ( i didnt
know that was a thing, something like 14%. ).   So expect a hostile
takeover this summer i bet.


He's already made an offer. Lots of heads exploding. I could not care less except that it's causing heads to explode and that is entertaining to watch.

[#] Thu Apr 14 2022 13:16:21 EDT from Nurb432

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I dont 'care' so much, i just would like to see him totally gut the place.   Of course they have already done their damage to society, and the execs got rich.. cant undo that.



[#] Thu Apr 14 2022 18:13:29 EDT from darknetuser

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2022-04-07 18:32 from IGnatius T Foobar
As of late, I use Amazon only to locate small sellers and then

purchase the stuff from them off-band :P Medium sized regional


Hey, that's a good idea. Do you find that most Amazon sellers are

willing to sell direct?



The ones who have their own distribution system do. They usually have their own websites and everything.

Picture this: you are looking into buying a book, and you see it is in Amazon. You check which sellers have it there. Then you look them up on the Internet. Chances are you will find some of them.


The ones who don't have an agreement with a parcel delivery agency are not gonna take your offer, but those who do remote delivery out of Amazon as part of their business will do. If they DO have their own ecommerce (which many do, since setting up a CMS for sales is cheap nowadays) then your problem is solved.

[#] Thu Apr 14 2022 18:16:05 EDT from darknetuser

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2022-04-12 09:11 from IGnatius T Foobar
I just scanned around a little bit ... some of the sellers I'm looking

at, their direct prices are higher than their Amazon prices. WTF?



Amazon logistics and being in Amazon's marketplace is very expensive for small and medium business. If the firm is really big (ie. a manufacturer) then Amazon may be cheaper than a regular logistics agency. Maybe.

Amazon tries to force sellers into having cheaper products at their store than off-band so maybe there is that. I don't think they are very successful enforcing that, actually.

[#] Thu Apr 14 2022 18:19:32 EDT from darknetuser

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2022-04-14 13:09 from zelgomer
2022-04-14 16:25 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>

Might have been mentioned ( pretty sure the % ownership was ) but

looks like Elon is NOT going to accept a seat on the board of
Twitter. He does not want to be capped at a % of ownership ( i didnt


know that was a thing, something like 14%. ). So expect a hostile


takeover this summer i bet.


He's already made an offer. Lots of heads exploding. I could not care

less except that it's causing heads to explode and that is entertaining

to watch.



I am popcorning so hard to this.

It does not even look like a finantial decision as much as if Musk had gotten angry at Twitter for something and wants revenge.

A change in ownership means a lot of people fired. May the Twitter gnomes suffer.

[#] Thu Apr 14 2022 18:26:47 EDT from Nurb432

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Looks like they just raised prices across the board 5% to account for increase delivery costs (gas)

Thu Apr 14 2022 06:16:05 PM EDT from darknetuser
Amazon logistics and being in Amazon's marketplace is very expensive for small and medium business. If the firm is really big (ie. a manufacturer) then Amazon may be cheaper than a regular logistics agency. Maybe.

Amazon tries to force sellers into having cheaper products at their store than off-band so maybe there is that. I don't think they are very successful enforcing that, actually.

 



[#] Sat Apr 16 2022 02:54:58 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Can confirm. Worked for an Amazon retailer. It was 80% of his sales - and he would have liked WAY more to go direct through the website - but Amazon will kill your store if they catch you TRYING to get customers to go direct - so even being sneaky is a huge risk when it is 80% of your sales. 

But if they're smart enough to figure it out themselves - the retailers are thrilled. Most people aren't. 

 

Thu Apr 14 2022 18:13:29 EDT from darknetuser




The ones who have their own distribution system do. They usually have their own websites and everything.

Picture this: you are looking into buying a book, and you see it is in Amazon. You check which sellers have it there. Then you look them up on the Internet. Chances are you will find some of them.


The ones who don't have an agreement with a parcel delivery agency are not gonna take your offer, but those who do remote delivery out of Amazon as part of their business will do. If they DO have their own ecommerce (which many do, since setting up a CMS for sales is cheap nowadays) then your problem is solved.

 



[#] Sat Apr 16 2022 10:20:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Can confirm. Worked for an Amazon retailer. It was 80% of his sales -
and he would have liked WAY more to go direct through the website -
but Amazon will kill your store if they catch you TRYING to get
customers to go direct - so even being sneaky is a huge risk when it
is 80% of your sales. 

Sounds like Wal-Mart's old antics, and it's likely that they brought in a lot of old Wal-Mart people to adopt and improve those tactics. Wal-Mart was famous for strong arming their suppliers. If you brought them your best price they'd go up your supply chain and start strong arming *them* so they could get the final price down. Then they'd get the suppliers dependent on having most of their sales going through Wal-Mart so they'd basically become indentured.

There are some people who will work very hard not to buy through Amazon but we are the minority. For a while I was just shopping on eBay but there are too many people there who are just doing Amazon-eBay arbitrage.

[#] Sat Apr 16 2022 10:28:11 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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It does not even look like a finantial decision as much as if Musk had

gotten angry at Twitter for something and wants revenge.

Twitter's board just doesn't want the company to be owned by an African-American.
Shame on them. :)

At this point I don't know how to read this plot line, but it's fun to watch.
Some are saying, don't assume that Elon Musk is on "our" side, he didn't become a zillionaire by being populist and libertarian. On the other hand, the purple haired woketards HATE him, and whatever is bad for them has to be good for humans.

Also, and I'm afraid I'm not at liberty to disclose the details here, but I have a job-related interest in the success of one of Twitter's new free speech competitors, so it would be a shame to see the market for Twitter alternatives be reduced by a re-emergent Twitter.

[#] Sat Apr 16 2022 10:28:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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A change in ownership means a lot of people fired. May the Twitter
gnomes suffer.

Now you're talking. We want those heads to explode!

[#] Sat Apr 16 2022 11:32:37 EDT from Nurb432

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Agreed, but i dont think that did it at the expense of others, and has a done a lot of good along the way.

 

Sat Apr 16 2022 10:28:11 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
don't assume that Elon Musk is on "our" side, he didn't become a zillionaire by being populist and libertarian.

 



[#] Thu Apr 21 2022 13:06:18 EDT from darknetuser

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Sounds like Wal-Mart's old antics, and it's likely that they brought

in a lot of old Wal-Mart people to adopt and improve those tactics.

Wal-Mart was famous for strong arming their suppliers. If you brought

them your best price they'd go up your supply chain and start strong

arming *them* so they could get the final price down. Then they'd get

the suppliers dependent on having most of their sales going through

Wal-Mart so they'd basically become indentured.


Yes, Amazon is cancer for their own suppliers. It is worse because Amazon may demand to know the prices their suppliers are buying merchandise at (no joke). If you sell a popular product via Amazon, Amazon may then ask you for your bills so they learn how much does it cost you to supply the product and then they will call YOUR suppliers and have them sell to them directly, cutting yourself out.

Competing with your own distribution channel is a losing proposition. It only works well if you are an actual manufacturer so Amazon cannot buy directly from your own suppliers unless they are willing to set up manufacturing plants.

[#] Thu Apr 21 2022 18:20:59 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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This is all true. And they learned a lot of it from watching Wal-Mart. They originated the practice of drilling all the way down the supply chain and demanding to know how much was being spent at each step, and manipulating the people at every step.

"Amazon Basics" is their next step in screwing the rest of the supply chain.
By having a "house brand" they can change suppliers at any time for any reason.
This might be ok for grocery and big box stores, where the store brands are a lower tier no-frills set of items, but Amazon is looking to give their house brand front and center placement, shoving aside the rest of the marketplace.

Someone needs to turn off the remote control on the helicopter, make sure the persian cat jumped off the wheelchair, and then drop Jeff Bezos into a smokestack.

[#] Thu Apr 21 2022 19:09:46 EDT from Nurb432

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might be part of the long term strategy 

Thu Apr 21 2022 01:06:18 PM EDT from darknetuser
. It only works well if you are an actual manufacturer so Amazon cannot buy directly from your own suppliers unless they are willing to set up manufacturing plants.

 



[#] Mon Apr 25 2022 09:19:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Quite frankly, Amazon is too big and should be broken up. But they've probably spread enough money around to keep that from happening.

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