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[#] Tue Sep 17 2019 13:42:51 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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It's a bipartisan mob. Stallman's words were being slightly misrepresented by news outlets on all sides (incl. New York Post.) He should have known better. But, you know, he has a certain type of mentality, so he just didn't have the judgment to keep his mouth shut.

Minsky and Epstein are both dead now. It was really irresponsible of him to speculate about events that are now known only to a few with vested interests.

[#] Tue Sep 17 2019 13:44:58 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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And, RMS should have recognized that with Epstein and Minksy both dead, the question isn't really about whether Minsky was guilty. The question is about the behavior of MIT administration subsequent to Epstein's conviction.

[#] Wed Sep 18 2019 12:36:37 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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But he went beyond that, right? I mean, he was basically arguing that there was nothing wrong with a guy in his mid-70s sleeping with a 17-year-old.

Kinda makes this post less than believable: https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September_2019_(Sex_between_an_adult_and_a_child_is_wrong)

I don't necessarily have a problem with prostitution, but this is all a little bit much. He waved away the coercive aspects of it (there's a huge difference between consensual sex work and the other kind) and totally missed the broader point of the discussion... on top of that, I'm hearing claims (which I cannot substantiate without doing more research) about his attitude towards women over the years

[#] Wed Sep 18 2019 19:10:26 EDT from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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2019-09-18 12:36 from LoanShark

But he went beyond that, right? I mean, he was basically arguing that

there was nothing wrong with a guy in his mid-70s sleeping with a

17-year-old.


Meh, even if he is wrong in that one (and you could argue the case), that is really no reason for being forced to resign IMO.

You know, many 17 year old girls are at their phisical peak... it is just when they open their mouth that they turn into a turn off :P We all know that legal age of consent is a very arbitrary thing so I am not pulling my hair if somebody thinks age of consent should be 18.85 years while other thinks it should be 17.43.

I also think that a girl in age of consent should be allowed to put whatever she likes in her pussy, be it a cucumber, my penis, or the penis of a dirty old dude. Now, afaik Stallman was arguing that the case we are concerned about was not a rape / sex assault case... well I don't know about that and I frankly don't care. He is entitled to his wrong or right opinion and I can't see why this one is any worse than anything he has done or said so far.

[#] Sat Sep 28 2019 22:17:36 EDT from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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You know, I read at Stallman's site, in response to Twitter banning Castro, that Twitter should be banning "Bullshitter" (Trump).

You would think that he would have learnt how bad cancel culture is after being cancelled. He is getting it no way, I'd say.

[#] Sun Sep 29 2019 09:45:51 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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2019-09-28 22:17 from darknetuser
You know, I read at Stallman's site, in response to Twitter banning

Castro, that Twitter should be banning "Bullshitter" (Trump).

You would think that he would have learnt how bad cancel culture is

after being cancelled. He is getting it no way, I'd say.




Moving the discussion from Linux/Unix to a more appropriate room for the subject matter I'm about to post.

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I'm not defending Stallman, I've had it up to here with his brand of crazy, but this is about what you should expect from a severe aspie/OCD case such as him. He's entirely focused on (his particular version of) Truth, and political reality will always be a secondary concern to him. (This has been obvious for years from his constant nitpickery about "correct" language.)

Trump IS a pathological liar, but banning him from twitter would simply play into his hands, he's playing up his martyr/victim complex enough already as it is.

...

Back on the topic of Stallman, prostitution, underage sex, and coercion, and the reason for moving this thread to this room. This all falls into a huge grey area, so it's inherently very difficult to frame the discussion. Ultimately I think that Stallman said some things that are indefensible due to their simple-mindedness.

I take the view that prostitution is not always wrong in and of itself, but when there is a hugely lopsided power dynamic in play, between a billionaire and a 17-year old, that is a major red flag that should be obvious enough to a guy like Minsky. It's a red flag that there is probably some coercion involved. If you want to pay a sex worker? Respect her consent, her boundaries, her autonomy and agency as a human being.

Like I said, a challenging subject to frame and define where you draw the lines, but in the case of Epstein and his victims, really not that hard. For much more on this subject, Lorelei Lee says it better than I ever could:

https://nplusonemag.com/issue-35/essays/cashconsent/

Hugely important, IMO. ^^^

[#] Mon Sep 30 2019 11:46:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Agreed with all of the above except the baseless complaint about DJT. There are a lot of dynamics at play here, and the law simply says "under 18 bad, over 18 ok". So a 60 year old can go to bed with an 18 year old and it's legally fine, but an 18 year old can go to bed with a 17 year old and he's a rapist. (We are assuming consent is given in both cases.)

Consent and age of consent are a huge grey area, and it's hopeless to expect the law to cover it properly.

As for RMS, if you go through his writings and things that have been written about him over the year, you will uncover a love life that is equally as brain damaged as the rest of him. The guy is a bona fide freak, and if someone needed to pick the dirty old man out from a lineup, they'd do just fine by selecting the guy who doesn't shave or cut his hair, doesn't shower, and eats things he picks out of his feet.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2019 12:03:08 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Consent and age of consent are a huge grey area, and it's hopeless to

expect the law to cover it properly.

The age is a factor legally, but the real issue here is the psychological manipulation (grooming, false or misleading promises) and coercion involved with Epstein's victims. I mean, if the victims are telling the truth, there was border crossing, coercion (witholding of a passport), etc. To echo some of the words in the Lorelei Lee article, that's human trafficking in the most agreed-upon sense.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2019 12:04:43 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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As for RMS, if you go through his writings and things that have been

written about him over the year, you will uncover a love life that is

equally as brain damaged as the rest of him. The guy is a bona fide

Link? I mean, I don't disbelieve you at all, but I'm curious to read more about the freakshow ;)

[#] Wed Oct 16 2019 17:14:54 EDT from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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So my political aunt and a friend of her have been hanging around some dating site. They finally found two guys who "listen to them and understand them", and dated them, making them make a trip from one extreme of the country to the other.

Now my aunt is complaining that "they only wanted to fuck" and that they went home angry because of the lack of fuck.

I still don't know if this is funny or sad.

[#] Thu Oct 17 2019 11:06:20 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Sounds like a medium.com or Jezebel story in the making!

Seriously - that's lame.

[#] Fri Oct 18 2019 07:59:56 EDT from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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That is online dating for you.

A friend of mine used to show up at dating sites as a member of the opposite sex in order to get other people excited, arrange a date and then not show up. Such a motherfucker he is, hahahaha.

[#] Fri Oct 18 2019 12:02:00 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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LMAO. But brutal. Not as hurtful as California's "dine and dash dater" who finally got arrested, but close!

[#] Fri Oct 18 2019 13:43:09 EDT from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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2019-10-18 12:02 from LoanShark

LMAO. But brutal. Not as hurtful as California's "dine and dash dater"

who finally got arrested, but close!



So, did this guy go to dinner dates and then disappear, leaving the girl to pay?

I have seen many of those, but it is usually the girl who is in it for the free meal.

[#] Fri Oct 18 2019 14:37:08 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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I have seen many of those, but it is usually the girl who is in it for

the free meal.

Except that in that case, it's exactly what's expected


And yes. That's exactly what he was doing. Very traumatizing for some of the women involved, who were kinda left wondering, "was it something I said?"

[#] Sat Oct 19 2019 09:21:32 EDT from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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Except that in that case, it's exactly what's expected


And yes. That's exactly what he was doing. Very traumatizing for some

of the women involved, who were kinda left wondering, "was it something

I said?"



To be frank, I reject the notion that you are entitled to a free meal because you are a woman. Maybe that explains why I am still single, but sorry, I am not an ATM that can spit unlimited funds for people to take advantage from.


Going on a date and expecting the other party to cover your costs is very ugly.

[#] Sun Oct 20 2019 22:32:46 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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I have no problem paying for someone else that I invite out to a meal. If I invite them out (male or female) I should be prepared to pay.

[#] Mon Oct 21 2019 10:02:24 EDT from pandora @ Uncensored

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As a female, I don't expect to have my meals paid for, but generally if I'm doing the asking, I'm doing the paying. If they ask I do kind of assume they'll pay, but I'll offer to chip in anyway just in case they don't think like I do.

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