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[#] Thu Mar 05 2026 18:01:30 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: RISC-V

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The fact that I still get plenty of use out of a 13 year old laptop should answer that question.  Computers are getting better but only incrementally.  They're packing more transistors onto each die, but they're not really increasing the density by a significant margin, which is why the big stuff now requires water cooling.  Regular CPU's have plateaued, GPU/NPU is a parlor trick of reducing functionality and packing more cores onto the die, but again, not at any increased density.  Quantum computing is perpetually in a state of "almost there".

And I don't think most people need to care.  There's no requirement for ever-increasing density.  Hitting a wall could actually be beneficial.



[#] Tue Mar 10 2026 08:42:03 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

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Modern silicon is dead. Moore's law is broken - at least - from a traditional perspective. 

But OTHER technology is advising exponentially every 18 months. So, it isn't REALLY broke. It just changed when we hit a ceiling. 

 

Thu Mar 05 2026 18:01:30 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: RISC-V

The fact that I still get plenty of use out of a 13 year old laptop should answer that question.  Computers are getting better but only incrementally.  They're packing more transistors onto each die, but they're not really increasing the density by a significant margin, which is why the big stuff now requires water cooling.  Regular CPU's have plateaued, GPU/NPU is a parlor trick of reducing functionality and packing more cores onto the die, but again, not at any increased density.  Quantum computing is perpetually in a state of "almost there".

And I don't think most people need to care.  There's no requirement for ever-increasing density.  Hitting a wall could actually be beneficial.



 



[#] Wed Mar 18 2026 18:23:57 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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But OTHER technology is advising exponentially every 18 months.

Is it, though?

All of the focus right now is in GPU and NPU density, but they aren't really advancing those, from a transistor density perspective, any faster than CPU has been advanced.

The whole point of GPU and NPU, after all, is that it's "really really RISC" in that the cores are specialized for high-density, low-complexity compute instead of general purpose compute. So they're packing as many of them onto the die as they can, but the process itself isn't advancing any faster than it is in the CPU world.

(This is my current understanding; if I'm full of shit please feel free to call me out here.)

All of the significant advancements have emerged from the idea someone had that a GPU, which was originally intended for graphics, can be used for any task that can be expressed as "reduce it to simple math and then parallelize the heck out of it". From a compute perspective, AI is just Bitcoin mining on a different data set, and Bitcoin mining is just CoD on a different data set. (Ok, that's *really* hyperbolic but you get the idea.)

Fundamental advances in manufacturing process could be equally applied to CPU and GPU.

[#] Sun Mar 22 2026 07:37:23 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

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I don't know - for sure. My last understanding goes back to when they FIRST claimed Moore's law was "broken," and other voices said, "Not really." 
But it wasn't about GPUs back then - it was something ELSE that suddenly leapt into fill the void on Moore's law on silicon. 

Basically, something ELSE was meeting the criteria - every 18 months. Then - people just stopped caring. At least, consumers. We've had plenty powerful enough CPUs for at least a decade to surf Facebook. Even a Pi 4 can do it. That is what average consumers care about. 

Wed Mar 18 2026 18:23:57 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: RISC-V
But OTHER technology is advising exponentially every 18 months.

Is it, though?




[#] Sun Mar 22 2026 17:51:11 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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Right, but Gordon Moore wasn't talking specifically about CPU or GPU or anything else, he was talking about fabrication process.  His metric was that the number of transistors that could be packed into a particular area was doubling every 18 months.  At the time, there were fewer metrics that affected computing speed and capacity, and that was one of the big ones.

Moore's Law ended quite some time ago.  Although incremental advances in process have happened, the majority of the "bigger/faster" in computing over the last decade or so has come from parallelization (multiple cores on the die) and from massive parallelization (doing work on the GPU with thousands of cores).

For "regular" tasks, that's why a ten year old laptop is still useful now.



[#] Fri Mar 27 2026 07:30:03 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

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True. I know this - Intel doesn't - or didn't, around 2003 - consider themselves a technology company. They're a manufacturing company. They used to say, "We don't built technology, we build widgets - whatever we have to manufacture to stay in business, we will." 

It didn't have to be Intel core processors. They're an industrial company. 

 

Sun Mar 22 2026 17:51:11 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: RISC-V

Right, but Gordon Moore wasn't talking specifically about CPU or GPU or anything else, he was talking about fabrication process.  



 



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