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[#] Tue Jun 30 2020 15:23:18 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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x86 is moving internally towards a RISC type instruction set anyway. The compliers recommend avoiding CISC operations where they can. I also think that a lot of the ARM processors have shown themselves underperforming due to power concerns, which will become less important in larger systems.

Funny though that we're moving back to a world we saw back in the Windows 3.5, where we have PowerPC, x86, MIPS and Alpha working......

[#] Fri Jul 03 2020 19:09:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'll believe that when I see it. Microsoft's habit of overstuffing things into the wrong layer is legendary. (See also: putting everything into Win16 and later Win32 instead of making DOS work properly (or better yet, swapping it for Xenix), and putting everything into Win32 and later Win64 instead of into the microkernel that runs (ran?) Windows NT.)

[#] Wed Jul 08 2020 12:26:09 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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You mean like print drivers running in ring 0?!?

[#] Wed Jul 08 2020 16:23:01 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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2020-07-08 12:26 from Ragnar Danneskjold
You mean like print drivers running in ring 0?!?

What could possibly go wrong?

[#] Wed Jul 08 2020 16:38:04 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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On that subject...

I've got a Windows 10 installation that's been carried forward across multiple motherboards for god-knows-how-long since the last clean reinstall. It's currently running on a Haswell motherboard. Previously it was running on a first- or second-gen Nehalem board. So it's been upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10. I think I might have skipped over 8/8.1.

Anyway, the drivers that ship with this motherboard were originally written for Windows 8/8.1. If you actually install the vendor-provided stuff, you will in several cases be downgrading to older drivers than what is currently included in Windows 10.

A few weeks ago I went on a rampage and purged all the old stuff I possibly could. I've lost some functionality which I wasn't using, like older Cyberlink products which I've replaced with an actual UHD Blu-Ray set-top box (since it's impossible to play UHD Blu-Ray content from a PC that has a discrete graphics card.) This has the benefit of allowing the use of Microsoft's newer "Memory Integrity" feature, which uses Hyper-V to isolate critical parts of the kernel from the rest of the system. This is supposed to have really big implications for the security model of the system, adding important layers of defense against rootkits and BIOS-based rootkits, but it conflicts with older drivers.

[#] Wed Jul 08 2020 17:19:49 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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You mean like print drivers running in ring 0?!?

Sure, or how about the fact that the Win32 layer ran in Ring 0 at all? What was the point of using a microkernel if they didn't take advantage of the benefits microkernels were supposed to bring?

[#] Wed Jul 29 2020 15:53:42 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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My daughter went away to college, and they required a Mac, so I bought a used one so I could help with remote support. A 2012 i5 with 4gb of ram and 500gb mechanical hard drive. $450. Which felt outrageous for a 2012 i5. Upgraded it to 16gb of memory and a 500gb SSD so it would be fast enough for a newer OS. 

Thing died. I was able to get it running again by doing some 4 finger salute, open apple, alt, whatever, whatever while holding the power button down at just the right time. Someone said, "Bios issue." It worked for a while, and is dead again. 

Thing powers up, but no chime, no video, and the fan just starts spinning faster and faster. A search for the issue shows it happens a lot. 

Anyone here actually have an Apple and have any tips on how I might revive it again? I might hassle Apple care - got an extended warranty, because I don't trust Apple - so I can probably salvage the cost... but that is a hassle. Looking more and more like that is what I'm going to have to do, though. 

Apples do suck. 

 



[#] Wed Jul 29 2020 15:55:27 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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In related news, the 3 35 year old Amiga 500's I recently purchased were all able to brought into a fully functional state. 



[#] Mon Aug 03 2020 10:13:16 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Apples do suck. 


So an 8 year old laptop dies and Apple sucks?

I've got a HP laptop. It loses connection to the SSD frequently crashing the machine. The keys are wearing in a year (the letters A and S are unrecognizable).
The top row of the keyboard will stop working at times and the only thing that brings it back is a reboot.

Overall, it's one of the worst laptops I've ever used.

But I think laptops like other consumer electronics are becoming poorer made in general.

[#] Mon Aug 03 2020 16:04:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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crashing the machine. The keys are wearing in a year (the letters A
and S are unrecognizable).

Well, you *do* call so many people asses all the time, so a bit of overwear on those keys is understandable.

I don't care about laptop build quality anymore because I get issued a new one every three years and it sits in the dock (or now, whatever the Thunderbolt thingie is called) with the lid closed 99% of the time. My personal rig is a desktop.

However, I am fascinated by Apple's transition to ARM and will be following it closely. If they build a cheapie version I might consider one as an alternative to a tablet. I just could never get used to tablets. I've got one of those iPad keyboard folios up on my shelf that someone discarded; maybe someday I'll get an iPad to go with it since it would then have a keyboard.

I like keyboards.

[#] Mon Aug 03 2020 16:42:36 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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Mon Aug 03 2020 10:13:16 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

Apples do suck. 


So an 8 year old laptop dies and Apple sucks?

I've got a HP laptop. It loses connection to the SSD frequently crashing the machine. The keys are wearing in a year (the letters A and S are unrecognizable).
The top row of the keyboard will stop working at times and the only thing that brings it back is a reboot.

Overall, it's one of the worst laptops I've ever used.

But I think laptops like other consumer electronics are becoming poorer made in general.

Apples suck for a variety of reasons. I elaborated on a *bit* of my latest anecdotal experience reaffirming why I believe this. Got some time? 

I collect retro computers. I've got dozens of 30 year old machines that are still operating great. 8 bits, Intel architecture PCs... EVERY classic Mac I have has died - and they're notorious for it among retro-platform collectors. Apple devices do not have long term longevity - and it goes all the way back to when they were a 68xxx platform. The irony is that they're sold as *higher quality* machines. 

Saying that Apple sucks doesn't say that HP *doesn't* suck, by the way - but I've got a HP Core Duo Centrino 17" gaming laptop from the early 2000s that is still running great, personally. I can't really bear to part with it because I bought it new, it was expensive, and I never actually really used it very much. 

I do have a G4 Quicksilver PPC that is still going strong every time I turn it on. I suppose they had to get ONE system right at some point. Oh, and a PPC 8500. But the Classic Macs, 68000 and PPC both - have terrible cases. They become super brittle with age - they're just awful. 

It is fine if you like Apple for whatever reason you like them. But if you think they're "higher quality" hardware than anyone else's - you're on crack. They're substantially more fragile. 

 

 

 

 



[#] Mon Aug 03 2020 17:07:15 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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I also hate the dishonesty of the entire Apple thing. 

The Power Mac 8500 was not the first COMPUTER to have audio/video import/export capabilities. That would be the Amiga - which is why Amiga dominated the cable TV industry so early on. The Amiga established video titling and effects on inexpensive home PC quality computing devices - and those pioneers migrated to Apple because of the common 68k architecture, and from there to the PPC. 

There are SO many lies like this that so much of the Apple community believes. 

Apple/Mac is the Democrats of the evolution of personal computing. There is a huge reality distortion field around the entire company and all of its loyal users seem to drink the koolaid right from the company fountain. 

 



[#] Mon Aug 03 2020 17:36:35 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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IG can tell you I have a pretty extensive classic computer collection. I've got everything from a PDP-11/73, a Commodor KIM-1 (I have almost every computer Commodore made with the exception of the B-128 and few other oddballs, but I do have a SuperPET.) I agree older hardware tends to hold up well, but that I believe is a function of simplicity more than anything. They weren't built with crazy-dense multi-layered boards, etc.

But I have to say that I've been running Macs since the early days of the transition to OSX, and the machines have been rock solid with the exception of my last laptop. It up and died after two years pretty hard. Otherwise, all good.

I've run som Dells, HP's, ASUS, etc.

The Dell's have been surprisingly reliable.

I haven't really run a desktop machine in a few years. Not much of a need any more.

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