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[#] Mon Feb 25 2019 12:22:31 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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It's a bad move if you ask me. I hope to God they don't do it.

Have a VM or container for your iPad code. But they've bought into their own crap - a phone or tablet is NOT a real computer.


[#] Mon Feb 25 2019 16:51:59 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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their own crap - a phone or tablet is NOT a real computer.

Haven't we been down this rabbit hold before?

[#] Mon Feb 25 2019 17:08:38 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Probably.

[#] Mon Feb 25 2019 17:31:25 EST from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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meh.. HOLE.. not hold.. but whatever.

[#] Tue Feb 26 2019 10:27:05 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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their own crap - a phone or tablet is NOT a real computer.

Haven't we been down this rabbit hold before?

We sure did, and we didn't really reach a consensus. The closest we got was to say that a "real computer" can self-host its own development environment.
This sounds good until you consider that you can build Android software on Android if you *really* jump through hoops, and that this definition also excludes the original Macintosh (whose dev environment ran on the Lisa). But it's still the closest we got to a reasonable definition.

Experience has shown that "Write Once, Run Anywhere" works better behind the data center glass than it does behind the Gorilla Glass. (See what I did there? I'm so f***ing clever.)

[#] Tue Jun 04 2019 12:17:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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MacOS Catalina! The latest from Not Steve Jobs!

iTunes gets replaced with Apple Music, Apple Podcasts, and Apple TV "apps".
iPads will be usable as external monitors for MacOS computers. And they've come up with a way for iOS developers to recompile their iPad/iPhone apps for MacOS and offer them in the app store.

Is it just me or does it seem like the "shamelessly copy everything they do" routine between Apple and Microsoft has changed direction? Except now instead of Microsoft making crappy replicas of great Apple features, Microsoft is now making original crappy features and Apple is copying them.

This is why the world really had no choice but to turn the browser into an operating system. It's the only thing that just works everywhere.

[#] Tue Jun 04 2019 12:37:26 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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Some of this makes sense. It's not like Microsoft's idea of Windows everywhere.
I look at it more like a VM, allowing me to run something different.

It was about time they split into iOS and iPadOS. The iPad hardware is so damn powerful, it's hamstrung by the OS.

Speaking of powerful, they've made sure I'll never buy a Mac Pro again....
It's just too much money. Couldn't they have given us something to grow into, instead of a $6000 base model? Crazy.

And it's ugly to boot.

All they need to do right now is fix the damn keyboards on the laptops.

[#] Thu Jun 06 2019 10:15:27 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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That $6,000 base model, from what I'm hearing, turns into a $50,000 rig if it's fully loaded.

And now I'm reading that Apple is slinging copyright claims to take down videos of people booing the WWDC announcement that their MONITOR STAND costs a THOUSAND bucks.

My question is: where is the low end Mac? Where is the $1,000 model that just sits on your desk and gets everyday work done? They seem to have positioned the iMac in that space, but throwing away a perfectly good monitor every time you upgrade your computer is so wasteful. Eco-California-based Apple shouldn't be doing that.

Here's a really good idea: APPLE should be the ones to finally bring about the triumphant return of the Commodore 64 form factor. Others have tried, but with little uptake. Can you imagine that? A sub-$1000 keyboard slab, loaded with M.2 slots, USB-C ports, and a keyboard that actually works.
Just plug in your monitor and the included mouse, and get to work. Heck, even I would consider buying one of those. They could even put a little groove in the top with a plug to set an iPhone or iPad onto it, if you wanted to use it that way.

Why is Apple still paying megabucks to that moron CEO when I have better ideas?

[#] Thu Jun 06 2019 13:52:22 EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored

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C64s had fun keyboards.. I could go for that.

[#] Fri Jun 07 2019 07:47:38 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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IG, you do know the Mac Mini still exists, right?

[#] Fri Jun 07 2019 10:28:44 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I do, but apparently Apple doesn't.

[#] Sat Jun 08 2019 01:40:35 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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The Mac Mini seems like their SUB entry level PC to me. I had a core 2 duo iMac Mini for a while. It died. My G4 and My PowerPC 8500 and still chugging along. 

I decided maybe I don't need an Intel powered Mac. I'm not sure about that "Mac components have superior quality" argument. I mean - the G4 Quicksilver and the 8500... are certainly still going... and BOTH can get on the Internet... 

But the "modern" Mini... died beyond repair. so... *shrug*... 

I decided that bulk PC components and Windows and Linux were a better bet. 

 



[#] Sun Jun 09 2019 15:59:26 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Mac Mini doesn't really have enough power to do "Mac things". The fact that they go many years between refreshes seems to indicate that they don't care about it as much as, say, the iMac. And as ESR pointed out, it "has spinning-rust assumptions baked into its DNA".

Like I said ... I want them to build an iMmodore-64. Yes, you're throwing away a keyboard when you upgrade, but it's *way* better than throwing away a monitor, and Apple's keyboards are cheap anyway. The time is NOW for someone to do this, and Apple still has, for now, a reputation of bringing out game-changers.
If all of the internal slots are M.2, one of them comes pre-fitted with the system disk SSD, and the expansion ports are USB-C/Thunderbolt ... they could make it half the thickness of a Commodore 64.

This idea is fucking brilliant. Apple is insanely stupid not to build this kind of computer.

[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 00:16:03 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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Sun Jun 09 2019 15:59:26 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Mac Mini doesn't really have enough power to do "Mac things". The fact that they go many years between refreshes seems to indicate that they don't care about it as much as, say, the iMac. And as ESR pointed out, it "has spinning-rust assumptions baked into its DNA".

Like I said ... I want them to build an iMmodore-64. Yes, you're throwing away a keyboard when you upgrade, but it's *way* better than throwing away a monitor, and Apple's keyboards are cheap anyway. The time is NOW for someone to do this, and Apple still has, for now, a reputation of bringing out game-changers.
If all of the internal slots are M.2, one of them comes pre-fitted with the system disk SSD, and the expansion ports are USB-C/Thunderbolt ... they could make it half the thickness of a Commodore 64.

This idea is fucking brilliant. Apple is insanely stupid not to build this kind of computer.

What exactly would an Apple IMmodore-64 be? I'm not following you. 

I took an art degree at Mesa Community college a couple of years, and had Illustrator and Photoshop as part of the degree. Anyhow - they had Mac labs. The big all-in-one 17" iMacs. 

The students and the teacher were all insanely jealous that I had a Surface 3 i7. At the time, there was a lot of grumbling that Apple had pretty much abandoned the digital graphic design and art niche by simply not upgrading their line for too long. 

But the truth was, the iMacs with Wacoms were way more dialed in for graphic design than the Surface Pro. Color calibration, tablet calibration... the only advantage my Surface Pro had was way more memory and a much faster processor and GPU so I could do real complex projects without "flattening" my files to conserve memory. Which did give me an advantage over the other students. 

You know, I've got a MiSTer FPGA that I've got hooked up to a thing called the Wombat... it is an ADB to USB bidirectional adapter. In my case, I've got the MiSTer hooked up to an old Power PC ADB 101 key keyboard... they were old school tanks, almost as nice as the IBM AT PS/2 keyboards from that era. So... I've already got an Apple C-64/Amiga/Atari ST/Apple IIe, and about a half a dozen other old obscure 16 and 8 bit PCs. :) Heh. It even has an FPGA Mac Classic core - so I can get my MacGlider and MacPlaymate fixes. :D 

 

 



[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 12:33:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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What exactly would an Apple IMmodore-64 be? I'm not following you. 

It would be a mid tier Mac with all of the electronics built into the keyboard, like the Commodore 64 and other 8-bit computers of that era. Fill it with M.2 slots on the inside and USB-C ports on the outside, and you've got a killer machine that you could hook up to any monitor.

That monitor could be one of Apple's own, or something you already have, or even your television (ok that wouldn't happen terribly often, but if we're doing a nod to the 1980's...). Or it could be a Wacom Cintiq if you're doing graphic design on it.

[#] Fri Jun 14 2019 18:35:18 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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Fri Jun 14 2019 12:33:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
It would be a mid tier Mac with all of the electronics built into the keyboard, like the Commodore 64 and other 8-bit computers of that era. 

... even your television...

 

Ah, OK... I see where you're going with this. It does make sense. Actually, modern LCD TVs, especially large format ones, aren't really THAT different from a monitor - far less different than a CRT monitor was from a CRT television, in a lot of cases... so it makes MORE sense today than it did back then. 

 



[#] Mon Jun 17 2019 11:14:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Right. An LCD television makes a decent monitor as long as it has an option to disable overscan. I don't know why HDTV has overscan at all, but it's there. Of course, in the 1980's most people didn't hook up a computer to the living room television ... they usually got hooked up to a smaller, secondary television that got repurposed as a monitor, or to a television in a young person's bedroom.

My 1976 Quasar television logged way more hours as a monitor than as a television.
But today ... if I were putting a desktop rig in a bedroom I'd totally use a single screen for both.

[#] Mon Jun 17 2019 18:51:42 EDT from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

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I wouldn't have considered it, but a friend who does a lot of CAD work recently brought in big screens for his machine and his employee's machine - and they look beautiful. I'm sure if you do your research, there are some TV LCDs better suited to this than others - but that should be easy enough to figure out. 

I used a little Goldstar TV for my video display through most of the 80s, up until my first Commodore, a C-128 in around 1986. After a while, I got a 1902 so I could use the 80 column mode - and after that, I just got monitors for everything and never used TVs again. Of course - I also inherited an estate in '87 - so that changed my finances and made monitors available, when they were not an option when I was younger. 


I now have my C-128 hooked up to a cheap little LCD from Walmart, and for my MAME cabinet I used a 27" TV because it was far less expensive than a 27" monitor. Of course, I kinda like the noise that going composite video in introduces on the C-128. It feels more authentic. I've got a composite RGB with red/yellow/white that would also work with the TV, but I don't use it because I think it would be too sharp and clean - and I can get that with WinVICE. :) 

 



 



[#] Tue Jun 18 2019 14:15:52 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold @ Uncensored

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I bought a 43" 4k monitor. Love it.

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