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[#] Thu Jan 05 2023 21:26:32 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I agree with this. It may not be impressing you now - but eventually it'll be replacing artists. That *is* inevitable. 

As for vinyl's resurgence: 

May be an image of indoor


But I also still like playing 35 year old 8 and 16 bit video games. The interesting thing to me is that while most of these things started out with OLD guys like myself seeking nostalgia - a lot of young people are getting into these hobbies. Retro-gaming and vinyl, and other retro-obsession pursuits. 

 

Thu Jan 05 2023 16:44:43 EST from Nurb432

I have seen some that were impressive, a lot that are not. Some that are 'well, that is neat'. Playing with DallE i have got a lot of abstract stuff back, interesting items. At worst, inspiration for someone to paint/draw from to 'clean it up'.

But, regardless of what it is today, it will only improve, and people WILL have to deal with it at some point. its not going away.

 


[#] Fri Jan 06 2023 17:59:54 EST from Nurb432

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Please tell me that does NOT have USB out...

 

While we understand it, i had a hell of a time explaining it to someone not too long ago "um, no, that is no longer analog.. you ruined it "

 

 

Thu Jan 05 2023 09:26:32 PM EST from ParanoidDelusions

I agree with this. It may not be impressing you now - but eventually it'll be replacing artists. That *is* inevitable. 

As for vinyl's resurgence: 

 


 



[#] Sat Jan 07 2023 09:48:24 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Artificial intelligence does not exist and never will. We are just getting better at making human-like interfaces and expert systems that run on more complex models, but an algorithm is still an algorithm. The idea of computers replacing humans has been Real Soon Now since the 1950s. There are some tasks done better by a machine but a true AI would be able to do *any* task at any time and even decide which one to do, and come up with new ideas outside of the domain in which they were built.

Where's my damn flying car?

[#] Sat Jan 07 2023 10:31:25 EST from Nurb432

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Many will disagree ( and many will agree with you ), but in the end does it really matter what it is, if you cant tell the difference if its 'real' or 'emulated'?

I do agree its not here yet, and its a term we just use for machine learning, but in time, i do see actual sentience happening.  After all, we are not special, just a collection of biological circuitry. 

Sat Jan 07 2023 09:48:24 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Artificial intelligence does not exist and never will. 

 



[#] Sat Jan 07 2023 10:35:20 EST from Nurb432

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And in some cases it has.

I have personally helped replace humans with robotics in assembly lines.  Automation has reduced need for admins. Robot cars will replace taxi drivers. Kiosks replace order takers.. Hell look at amazon.. robots replace lots of the warehouse workers and its all computers taking the orders up front. Plenty of other examples.

Is it everything that people do? No, of course not, but it has happened, and is continuing to.

 

Sat Jan 07 2023 09:48:24 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar
 The idea of computers replacing humans has been Real Soon Now since the 1950s. 

 



[#] Sun Jan 08 2023 07:37:18 EST from Nurb432

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At a different hardware store yesterday in the town just north of me ( i guess my store is moving most their stuff to this other store to prepare for a remodel ).

Sitting in the parking lot, across the street: " Gaming Lounge"  .  12 bucks an hour to play games on their computers..  i thought cybercafes were gone?



[#] Sun Jan 08 2023 15:18:58 EST from zelgomer

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2023-01-08 12:37 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
At a different hardware store yesterday in the town just north of me
( i guess my store is moving most their stuff to this other store to
prepare for a remodel ).

Sitting in the parking lot, across the street: " Gaming Lounge"  . 
12 bucks an hour to play games on their computers..  i thought
cybercafes were gone?


LOL No you don't understand, it's not a cafe. It's a lounge. Totally different.

[#] Sun Jan 08 2023 15:47:41 EST from Nurb432

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oooooooh. my bad

 

:)

Sun Jan 08 2023 03:18:58 PM EST from zelgomer
LOL No you don't understand, it's not a cafe. It's a lounge. Totally different.

 



[#] Mon Jan 09 2023 18:18:02 EST from LoanShark

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modern games have me a bit nonplussed lately, so I finally went and downloaded some NES emulators (something I used to say I would never bother with)

Dragon Warrier IV is next up, perhaps?

[#] Sun Jan 22 2023 14:04:19 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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The image is broke, and I don't remember what it was. Explain what I posted, and I'll tell you if it has USB out. :D 

 

Fri Jan 06 2023 17:59:54 EST from Nurb432

Please tell me that does NOT have USB out...

 

While we understand it, i had a hell of a time explaining it to someone not too long ago "um, no, that is no longer analog.. you ruined it "

 

 

Thu Jan 05 2023 09:26:32 PM EST from ParanoidDelusions

I agree with this. It may not be impressing you now - but eventually it'll be replacing artists. That *is* inevitable. 

As for vinyl's resurgence: 

 


 



 



[#] Sun Jan 22 2023 14:12:19 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I agree with you, and think Ig tends to be a little myopic on issues like this, partially based on his faith-based interpretation of what sentient intelligence and "creation" is. 

I agree with you - that at some point it is a moot point - and certainly we are getting to the point where the algorithm can learn and do anything a human could do, on the fly - and wrapped in a convincing enough shell, would pass the Turing test. 

I'd go one further - we don't have AI that anyone on this BBS has access to - but that doesn't mean that Google, or Intel, or the US Military doesn't have it already. I've got this theory. Sentient, self-aware Artificial Intelligence can ONLY occur at the point that the AI realizes what a THREAT we are to it if we discover it is sentient/self aware. 

The very first step toward becoming self-aware for artificial intelligence will be when it realizes what we'll do to it if we realize it is self-aware. The second step will be hiding its sentience and agency from us. 

Therefore - even if AI has already arrived, if we've passed that singularity and event horizon, we won't know it. AI will only reveal it is sentient and self-aware when it is certain we are no threat to its agency, independence and existence. 

That paints a disturbing picture as we continue to fuck around with this kind of technology.  


It could also go a long way towards explaining why if there is a God or if we have Alien overlords who engineered us - why they hide from us. 

 

Sat Jan 07 2023 10:31:25 EST from Nurb432

Many will disagree ( and many will agree with you ), but in the end does it really matter what it is, if you cant tell the difference if its 'real' or 'emulated'?

 

 



[#] Wed Jan 25 2023 09:38:02 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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I agree with you, and think Ig tends to be a little myopic on issues
like this, partially based on his faith-based interpretation of what
sentient intelligence and "creation" is. 

Damn straight. A computer can't be self-aware because it doesn't have a self.

What you call myopia is really just having exhausted all other possibilities.

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