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2022-09-20 21:32 from zelgomer
And thanks for all of the responses, by the way. I don't really know
quite what I'm looking for, so this is exactly what I wanted - to start
a discussion and see you guys debate the pros and cons. I got a lot of
good tips to consider from this.
Glad to be of help.
For the record, most people who asks for software solutions like this are looking for a WhatsApp or Liner replacement. I find both Signal and Telegram do the trick.
That said, I am more confident sharing sensitive materials such as ephemeral passwords over Signal than over Telegram.
WhatsAPP E2E was based on Signal. They even had the same people do it.
I tried connecting xmpp clients to citadel but found that a lot of
clients would not work unless the server offered TLS so I setup a
Needless to say, Citadel handles that just fine now :)
XMPP had so much promise when it was going to be *the* instant messenger and you'd be able to reach anyone on any service because they were all going to talk to each other.
But then the big services decided not to implement server-to-server, or to drop it if they had it. Eventually, Goolag and Fecesbook dropped XMPP entirely, preferring to restrict users to their walled gardens, because interop is bad for their business.
*sigh*
But then the big services decided not to implement server-to-server,
or to drop it if they had it. Eventually, Goolag and Fecesbook dropped
XMPP entirely, preferring to restrict users to their walled gardens,
because interop is bad for their business.
*sigh*
Ah-ha, so that's what happened? I was wondering. I was only vaguely aware when Jabber started getting somewhat of a following in my social sphere. At the time I wasn't techno-enlightened enough to see it as anything other than Yet Another AIM, and since then I've never given it a second look. Thanks to this thread I started researching it a bit more and only just realized that I should have been more interested in this all along. I was wondering why it never took over. Now it makes sense.
Ya, cant have holes in those walls, gotta contain your subjects and feed off them. I took advantage of the openness between platforms, while it was still there. It was a great thing.
PS, thanks for still supporting it..
Thu Oct 13 2022 09:57:03 AM EDT from IGnatius T FoobarI tried connecting xmpp clients to citadel but found that a lot of
clients would not work unless the server offered TLS so I setup a
Needless to say, Citadel handles that just fine now :)
XMPP had so much promise when it was going to be *the* instant messenger and you'd be able to reach anyone on any service because they were all going to talk to each other.
But then the big services decided not to implement server-to-server, or to drop it if they had it. Eventually, Goolag and Fecesbook dropped XMPP entirely, preferring to restrict users to their walled gardens, because interop is bad for their business.
*sigh*
Citadel doesn't support server-to-server because we never got around to implementing
it. I kind of lost interest in that when it was clear that there'd be no
one else to do server-to-server *with*.
Someday, maybe.
Someday, maybe.
Right, i wast meaning the federation of some sort, just that it still supports it inside the system, even if its walled off, is good.
I'm losing my shit over this: one of the parties I wanted to convince to start
using an encrypted medium is hesitant because "it makes you look suspicious
and draws the wrong attention." This same person, I frequently have disagreements
with because they DON'T think we live under an authoritarian police state.
Holy fucking shit how can people allow themselves to be so whipped?
And why do I still talk to this useless moron?
And why do I still talk to this useless moron?
Ah yes, "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." Until
you do, of course. Information security experts recommend encrypting everything,
regardless of sensitivity.
2022-10-26 13:17 from IGnatius T Foobar <ajc@citadel.org>
Ah yes, "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about."
Until you do, of course. Information security experts recommend
encrypting everything, regardless of sensitivity.
This is even one step further imo. "I have nothing to hide and I'm afraid the gestapo might think that I do. And by the way I think you're being a little hyperbolic to suggest the FBI is our enemy."
2022-10-26 22:01 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
"we see you purchased a package of meat 10 years ago.. we need to
talk"
Yes, exactly. I always bring that angle up, and they do tend to act sympathetic toward it. They just seem to be incapable of remembering it, because I have to bring it up again every time. This is exactly the reason I want this.
Wed Oct 26 2022 22:17:14 EDT from zelgomerThis is even one step further imo. "I have nothing to hide and I'm afraid the gestapo might think that I do. And by the way I think you're being a little hyperbolic to suggest the FBI is our enemy."
How long has it been since the FBI became the enemy of the people? When did Waco happen? When did Ruby Ridge happen?
2022-10-26 22:17 from zelgomer2022-10-26 13:17 from IGnatius T Foobar <ajc@citadel.org>
Ah yes, "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry
about."Until you do, of course. Information security experts recommend
encrypting everything, regardless of sensitivity.
This is even one step further imo. "I have nothing to hide and I'm
afraid the gestapo might think that I do. And by the way I think you're
being a little hyperbolic to suggest the FBI is our enemy."
That is just the sort of person you stop wasting effort on. I am talking from experience.
Trying to teach a pig how to sing wastes your time and annoys the pig. It is an old proverb. Just don't do it.
Too many activists waste their time trying to pick people who is not and will never be one of them. YOu need to find people who is receptive and discard the others.
I know it may sound discouraging, but it is better in the long run.
Not sure it truly wastes their time, they enjoy the battle and is entertainment for them.
Now, for people who truly want to make a difference, i agree.
Thu Oct 27 2022 04:17:59 PM EDT from darknetuser
Too many activists waste their time trying to pick people who is not and will never be one of them.
Is anyone else having trouble connecting to IRC2P? I haven't been able to connect in days. No response from the server at all.
Hmm didn't even know that was such a thing. Makes sense i guess.
Mon Jan 02 2023 11:17:41 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Is anyone else having trouble connecting to IRC2P? I haven't been able to connect in days. No response from the server at all.
2023-01-02 11:17 from IGnatius T Foobar
Is anyone else having trouble connecting to IRC2P? I haven't been
able to connect in days. No response from the server at all.
So far IRC2P is working fine for me. Maybe try using a different server at the end of your destination tunnel. irc.echelon.i2p works fine.
2023-01-02 16:17 from IGnatius T Foobar <ajc@citadel.org>
Is anyone else having trouble connecting to IRC2P? I haven't been
able to connect in days. No response from the server at all.
What darknetuser said, but also I'll add that a few of us have been seeing more frequent drops and netsplits than usual over the past week or so. Not sure if it's i2p at large or just some connectivity with one of the two servers.