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[#] Mon Jan 27 2014 21:48:31 EST from zooer

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Crumbles... ahhh yes.

I think I am tofu intolerant. I don't mind it, it has the taste of whatever it is mixed with. I am not grossed
out by it, it just... doesn't like me.

I think crumbles are a tofu product.

[#] Tue Jan 28 2014 02:11:19 EST from triLcat

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soybean, yes. not specifically tofu. 


[#] Tue Jan 28 2014 04:18:41 EST from the_mgt

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My favourite meat replacement is Qorn:

It has about the density and texture of chicken. Its taste is rather good, not too shallow and not to intense. Comes in a variety of forms, I prefer the larger chunks. It can replace chicken in almost every dish, but they also have a ground meat variety which is nice for bolognese or chili sin carne.

Sadly, it is hard to get in germany, since the vegetarians here are almost all ecological/organic food nazis which do not go well with a mass produced product like Qorn, especially since it uses lots of eggs in production. As I read, they changed to free-range eggs, but still you wont find it here in the dedicated organic/fairtrade stores. The scandinavians seem to care less, it is available in almost every large supermarket.

[#] Tue Jan 28 2014 10:01:55 EST from zooer

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My friend's wife is a vegetarian and his 12 year old son who was a vegetarian has decided to become vegan. My
friend is vegetarian while in that house. We often discuss how vegetarians try to convince you something is
just like meat when it isn't. There are a lot of vegetarian dishes I like and enjoy but I don't like being told
it is just like meat when it isn't.
I used to make the crumbles with tomato sauce and put it on spaghetti, with enough sauce it passed for some sort
meat like substance.

Must be that processed soybeans that go right through me.

[#] Tue Jan 28 2014 18:34:36 EST from the_mgt

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To me, there are two problems with meat replacements: 1. Structure and 2. Taste. Structure is hard to achieve because animal protein has larger/longer fibers, so the whole thing feels different. Taste is even more difficult, since the fats are hard to imitate and I have yet to come across the right umaminess.

In general, I am ok with the stuff as long as it is interesting and does not taste utterly disgusting. But I have never met a vegetarian that tried to convince me something was "just like meat". Qorn comes close to dry chicken, but thats all. Our asian store sells mock duck and chicken made of wheat, which has a nice structure but a strange taste. You need to drown it in some sauce.

[#] Wed Jan 29 2014 06:09:48 EST from triLcat

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Oh, if you expect it to replace meat, you're gonna have a bad time. 

Morningstar Farms stuff, though, tastes pretty good and has enough protein that you feel like you've eaten a real meal, where I rarely feel like just vegetables and grains are a real meal. 

The stuff is spiced really well. There's nothing as good locally :(


[#] Wed Jan 29 2014 10:54:53 EST from Shazam

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Jan 27 2014 5:20pm from fleeb @uncnsrd

I've found that vegetable replacements for beef cause me to
potentially clear a room via anal vapours.

I was just going to say "I don't digest soy" but you said it much better.

[#] Wed Jan 29 2014 11:01:40 EST from fleeb

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Some thoughts are difficult to express nicely.

[#] Wed Jan 29 2014 14:04:33 EST from zooer

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"potentially clear a room via anal vapours"
"I don't digest soy"
"Soy intolerant"

Something along those lines.

[#] Thu Jan 30 2014 10:38:56 EST from Shazam

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I never put eggplant into lasagna before. I thought it had to be those big flat pasta noodles. Eggplant in it sounds good, though, I've gotten to like it in some of its forms. It always seems to give me heartburn, but it is yummy.

[#] Thu Jan 30 2014 15:49:31 EST from triLcat

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Wed Jan 29 2014 14:04:33 EST from zooer @ Uncensored
"potentially clear a room via anal vapours"
"I don't digest soy"
"Soy intolerant"

Something along those lines.

Have you tried stuff like beano or digestive enzymes?


[#] Thu Jan 30 2014 16:38:29 EST from zooer

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Yes, but I don't think that would help with soy bean products. Gas isn't the problem, it is as if my body
doesn't try to digest it, it just sends it through the system.

[#] Fri Jan 31 2014 05:15:27 EST from Shazam

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Eh. I've tried beano but not for soy. I'm not going to either, the whole "tastes like meat" thing doesn't particularly attract me since I don't like the taste of meat. Or the texture. Or the smell. Actually the smell is the biggest turnoff. Let's talk about somethign else.
Like brownies.

[#] Fri Jan 31 2014 07:36:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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zooer -- that's basically what gas is.  When your body lacks the enzymes to fully digest something, it goes through a chemical reaction other than normal digestion, producing gas that ultimately has to come out one end or the other.

I've said before -- I like veggie burgers.  I'm not a vegetarian, but I do keep a bag of Morningstar Farms "garden veggie patties" in the freezer.  I don't consider them to be hamburgers any more than I'd consider a (real) chicken patty to be a hamburger.  It's just one more tasty food.  IMHO, vegetarian products that aim to emulate meat products are the problem.  If I want meat I eat meat.  If I want veggies I eat veggies.  If I want toxic cardboard masquerading as food I go to Delaware.


[#] Fri Jan 31 2014 08:40:23 EST from zooer

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mmmmmm, digestive talk. Other beans don't give me problems, soy/tofu does. I don't want to get into details.

I like Morning Star chik patties and chik nuggets. I will make a sandwhich out of the chik
patties and make buffalo nuggets from the nuggets. You eat chicken wings for the hot sauce not for the wings,
so you can eat the chik nuggets for the hot sauce as well.

I thought veggie burgers were just okay, I would eat them but I wasn't crazy about them. I had a really bad
tasting/texture veggie burger, I never ate them again. It was horrible.

[#] Sun Feb 02 2014 15:12:23 EST from Shazam

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does Morningstar have the basic problem that most pre-made foods have, like too much sodium or preservatives and other garbage in them?

[#] Mon Feb 03 2014 08:49:53 EST from zooer

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I will make a sandwhich out of the chik

sandwich... I said go easy on the h and they put more h in my last sandwich.

[#] Mon Feb 03 2014 08:51:56 EST from zooer

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[#] Mon Feb 03 2014 10:29:03 EST from Shazam

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OMGG. NOW I remember why I don't buy that stuff. That link actually didn't lead me to a nutritional label but then I looked one up, and that there is exactly what I wouln't want to eat or feed to anybody I liked. Sodium 630 mg. PER SERVING. And we all know "serving sizes" are not what most of us are going to eat at one sitting, but they are much smaller, which they do on purpose to make the numbers look better, and they hope we won't look at how many servings per container and do a tiny little bit of math.
And that list of ingredients was just ugly. If a list is so long that I don't have patients to actually read it all the way through, I don't want it.

[#] Mon Feb 03 2014 12:51:11 EST from zooer

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That site listed the nutritional labels, you had to click on the link of the various products. It did not list
the ingredients.

My friend who has a vegetarian wife and vegan son said he wanted to try this recipe I sent him
(Homer: Lisa, you can't make friends with salad.)

I have been making two things a lot lately, dried kale and dried chick peas. Both are great snacks and they are
made almost the same.

The dried chic-peas are great crunchy snacks. You can use the dried beans or canned beans, if you are concerned
about sodium than use the dried beans. You dehydrate them in a slow oven until they get crunchy and then coat
them in oil and your favorite seasonings. I have found there is a fine line between not completely dry, perfect
and over dried.
This last time I made them with the dried beans, yes so I
soaked, cooked and then de-hydrated them again, sound
silly. However the last half hour of boiling I added salt and smoke flavor to the water then dehydrated them.
I did not add any seasonings after the dehydrating and they turned out well.

Dehydrated kale is simple, you toss the leaves with lemon juice or oil and your favorite spices before cooking.
Then into a slow oven until the leaves are crispy. This is another great snack.

We have a convection oven which is great for this sort of thing.

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