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[#] Sun Jun 13 2021 20:55:02 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Pretty much nails it. 

 

Fri Jun 11 2021 15:38:21 EDT from Nurb432

I only see this increasing, across many industries. Its going to get pretty rough for a while i think. While i dont trust the CCP as far as i can throw them, and dont want them to take over, you have to admit that lower cost goods have increased general quality of life for many people. ( and hurt others, i do agree. Like the ones in china doing the work for nothing )

Things like a fender for a car, or a cheap pot and pan set isn't a security threat, but it does fund the CCP to a %. But it also lets some of their citizens eat ( who i dont dislike. its the CCP i dont like ), who would have no income otherwise, which IS free market. No easy answer to this mess.



 



[#] Mon Jun 14 2021 05:44:28 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-06-11 15:38 from Nurb432
I only see this increasing, across many industries. Its going to get

pretty rough for a while i think. While i dont trust the CCP as far

as i can throw them, and dont want them to take over, you have to

admit that lower cost goods have increased general quality of life

for many people. ( and hurt others, i do agree. Like the ones in

china doing the work for nothing )

Things like a fender for a car, or a cheap pot and pan set isn't a

security threat, but it does fund the CCP to a %. But it also lets

some of their citizens eat ( who i dont dislike. its the CCP i dont

like ), who would have no income otherwise, which IS free market. No

easy answer to this mess.


I think I have already mentioned this in here, but I am going to mention it once again.

Trading with your enemies in real life is just like trading with your enemies in economic board games. You have to be very careful.

It is easy to sell metal and inobtanium to the player on your left when the player on your left is offering you an obscene price... but then that player uses the wares he bought from you to manufacture an army of level 3 Walking Mechs and runs you over.

It is the same with outsourcing industries. The cost saving is juicy, but the other player may then use the industrial power you granted him in ways that harm you.

[#] Tue Jun 22 2021 09:28:29 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Correct. In the case of Apple and other computer manufacturers, we are using silicon designed in the West but manufactured by CCP serfs. They've been brain-draining us long enough now that their own chip designs are appearing.
Eventually you get to a point where the rest of the world no longer needs Apple, Intel, AMD, Arm, or any of the current players.

Most manufacturers do not care because they are globalized. The few that do care, know that they can't compete if they use locally sourced manufacturing.
It's a chink in their armor that they can't fix. (See what I did there?)
That's why I didn't mind when we started raising tarriffs on stuff coming in from communist china. It's the only way to get everyone to act at once.

[#] Tue Jun 22 2021 10:15:29 EDT from Nurb432

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If i'm reading things correctly, after losing the Chinese factory due to restrictions against Huawei, the largest is in the 'free world' now is in Taiwan ( TSMC ).. Which of course is about to be taken over by the CCP, and im sure taken out of the global market as CCP punishment.

 

We may see a surge in domestic factories due to all of this. But a really rough time for a couple of years.

 

That is what people get for putting chips EVERYWHERE.. when its not needed.  

 

 



[#] Tue Jul 20 2021 11:16:11 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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That is what people get for putting chips EVERYWHERE.. when its not
needed.  

That reminds me, I need to do a firmware update on my smoker before I do BBQ this weekend.

[#] Tue Jul 20 2021 15:52:56 EDT from Nurb432

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LOL



[#] Tue Jul 20 2021 19:01:11 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Yup. All of this. 

 

Tue Jun 22 2021 09:28:29 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Correct. In the case of Apple and other computer manufacturers, we are using silicon designed in the West but manufactured by CCP serfs. They've been brain-draining us long enough now that their own chip designs are appearing.
Eventually you get to a point where the rest of the world no longer needs Apple, Intel, AMD, Arm, or any of the current players.

Most manufacturers do not care because they are globalized. The few that do care, know that they can't compete if they use locally sourced manufacturing.
It's a chink in their armor that they can't fix. (See what I did there?)
That's why I didn't mind when we started raising tarriffs on stuff coming in from communist china. It's the only way to get everyone to act at once.

 



[#] Tue Jul 20 2021 19:14:30 EDT from LoanShark

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2021-07-20 11:16 from IGnatius T Foobar
That is what people get for putting chips EVERYWHERE.. when its not

needed.

That reminds me, I need to do a firmware update on my smoker before I

do BBQ this weekend.



are your chips on fire?

[#] Fri Jul 23 2021 14:19:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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are your chips on fire?

If it's working properly, yes.  It's a pellet smoker.  It has an onboard computer (an ESP32) that feeds the right amount of wood chips and air into the burn pot to maintain the desired temperature and smoke level.

But of course they couldn't just stop there.  If you want to operate and monitor it remotely, you have to download an app, register it with their web service, etc. etc.  Seriously, WTF?

It really does need a firmware update, though.  The remote app is janky and it doesn't hold the right temperature.  It's a known defect in this batch of smokers and they sent out free updates.  But someone screwed up badly because even with all that tech they still had to send out updated controllers instead of just pushing an OTA update.



[#] Sun Jul 25 2021 12:06:52 EDT from LoanShark

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It doesn't seem too surprising that a microcontroller with only 320KB memory would not support online reflash. I'm not sure how that thing even manages to speak TCP.

[#] Sun Jul 25 2021 21:18:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I'm starting to suspect that it doesn't. It has bluetooth+wifi, and it asks to set up the wifi, but the app disconnects from the smoker if it gets out of bluetooth range. This happens even with the new firmware, which is disappointing.
When I have something cooking for 12 hours, I'd like to have the display at my desk (it's nice -- it shows the temperature of the pit plus up to four temperature probes) but the best I can do is in a room that faces the back yard, and my office is in the front.

From what I can tell, microcontrollers with wifi have very limited functionality on the network. They are only capable of handling a single socket, using an IP stack in ROM which includes code to handle that single socket. It's more like one of those devices that you use to replace a serial port with a network connection -- very limited usefulness.

Maybe someday I will build my own controller.

[#] Mon Jul 26 2021 12:43:15 EDT from LoanShark

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So it's probably UDP.

[#] Mon Jul 26 2021 13:51:06 EDT from Nurb432

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I dont consider myself a Luddite, but man, this whole conversation seems wrong.  It cooks food.. it dont need a cpu. 

 



[#] Mon Jul 26 2021 21:57:34 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I was thinking - all this talk here about "You don't need IoT - and it is just another vector for them to get into your life and see everything you're doing..." 

Then, "I'd really like to monitor my smoker from my desktop!" 


Uh-huh. They just found *your* use model. ;) 

 

Mon Jul 26 2021 13:51:06 EDT from Nurb432

I dont consider myself a Luddite, but man, this whole conversation seems wrong.  It cooks food.. it dont need a cpu. 

 



 



[#] Tue Jul 27 2021 15:50:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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seems wrong.  It cooks food.. it dont need a cpu. 

Well, that's sort of the difference between a regular smoker and a pellet smoker. It's the same as the difference between a regular wood stove and a pellet stove. If you want to use pellets, something has to maintain the temperature. You *might* be able to do it using discrete logic, but when a $1 microcontroller can do the job of an entire board full of components, you'd be silly not to use it.

I could have chosen an offset smoker with a firebox. I would then have to spend entire cooking sessions tending to a fire.

My consternation is not over the use of electronics, or even the use of network-enabled electronics. It is over the tendency of manufacturers to make every device "call home" to their "cloud service".

For example, my snowbird parents have a thermometer in their NY house that they can read from their FL house to check on the conditions remotely. It cannot be read locally, even if you are on-net and know its IP address. The only way to read it is to log into their cloud portal. People who build devices like this need to be stabbed to death with their own logic probes.

There are "smart home" devices that have noticeable lag between switching them on and getting a response from the device. This is because the control channel is making a round trip to a server in China. If your Internet connection is down, the device does not work. We call people who buy and install these devices "hopefully future soylent green".

[#] Tue Jul 27 2021 16:32:51 EDT from Nurb432

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If i could, there would be no computers in my house. Other than actual computers. Even my TV would be dumb, just attach to a computer.   Just bought a stove, no fancy displays or controls. 

Id prefer to have a carb on my car even..  Next engine swap might juts get that if in a bad mood that day.



[#] Wed Jul 28 2021 15:21:04 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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See my post in Hot Rods. Pretty sure a technician from China is setting off the alarm on my BMW right now as he fine tunes the new head unit I just put in. 

 

Tue Jul 27 2021 16:32:51 EDT from Nurb432

If i could, there would be no computers in my house. Other than actual computers. Even my TV would be dumb, just attach to a computer.   Just bought a stove, no fancy displays or controls. 

Id prefer to have a carb on my car even..  Next engine swap might juts get that if in a bad mood that day.



 



[#] Fri Aug 06 2021 19:17:46 EDT from Nurb432

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Not read all the details yet, but Apple is going to start scanning peoples phones for 'unapproved images' and report home the findings.

wtf. 



[#] Fri Aug 06 2021 19:22:20 EDT from Nurb432

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Oh, and also 'scan users encrypted messages'.

"Its for the children"

 

wtf wtf wtf



[#] Sat Aug 07 2021 09:47:36 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I saw this. It is one of those things that has been framed already with, "if you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear." 

Here is the thing - they're claiming they can scan encrypted files for a *hash* of some sort and compare that to a profile in a database and if your scan matches enough profiles - is a good enough hit, then they'll unencrypt the file and if it is a match they'll alert the authorities. 

An encrypted container or file should be like a shcrodinger's box. If there is a profile that indicates that the cat in the box is in fact dead or alive - the file isn't *really* encrypted. It is leaking. You can peak inside it. 

No one has addressed this yet. How can Apple determine with confidence that an encrypted file *is* illegal. It is like they're claiming they can get a *sense* of what is in the encrypted file. 


Indeed, WTF? 

But, for at least a decade I think it is safe to assume that our OSes and hardware are not actually trusted platforms. Probably as soon as the terminology "trusted platforms" started to gain traction, is when platforms shouldn't have been trusted. 




Fri Aug 06 2021 19:22:20 EDT from Nurb432

Oh, and also 'scan users encrypted messages'.

"Its for the children"

 

wtf wtf wtf



 



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