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[#] Thu Feb 22 2018 18:46:26 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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The conventional wisdom is that any large storage technology shall be filled with pr0n, warez, and MP3s.

[#] Fri Feb 23 2018 09:20:02 EST from fleeb <>

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In this case, all three, probably mixed in some haphazard fashion.

[#] Mon Feb 26 2018 14:01:17 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold

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In my case, a folder labeled "Stuff to Sort".

[#] Tue Feb 27 2018 10:48:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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That's because you're not supposed to sort files into directories anymore.  You're supposed to just "tag" everything and search for tags later.

(At least that's what they've been telling us for the last 20 years ... it's the future!)

[#] Tue Feb 27 2018 12:13:06 EST from wizard of aahz

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You're it.

[#] Fri Mar 09 2018 11:58:05 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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No I'm not, because you forgot to use a #hashtag

[#] Sun Mar 11 2018 23:21:58 EDT from kc5tja

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If they would @#%*ing implement that capability into the filesystems we currently run, I'd be all over that like honey on graham crackers. But it can't be the future unless someone drops the code into the kernel!

[#] Mon Mar 12 2018 15:50:12 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Didn't everyone complain for 15 years about Microsoft threatening to put a database into the filesystem (aka "WinFS") and then breathed a sigh of relief when the whole project collapsed because they couldn't make it happen?

I suppose if the effort were *less* ambitious, it would be workable in any environment. Just allow tags as extensible attributes on files in the filesystem, and then index that. Bonus points for a consistent kernel API, lots of bonus points for an API that is network transparent, and extreme bonus points for smacking anyone who says "oh but teh program xyzfoo already does this"

[#] Mon Mar 12 2018 22:14:41 EDT from kc5tja

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mumbles something about BeOS...

[#] Tue Mar 13 2018 09:33:19 EDT from fleeb <>

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Yeah, I was just thinking... BeOS did that.

[#] Tue Mar 13 2018 10:25:32 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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...and of course i/OS (née OS/400) kinda-sorta runs that way natively.

But to be useful it has to be implemented on mainstream platforms like Linux and Windows, preferably in a consistent manner.

[#] Tue Mar 13 2018 10:46:25 EDT from fleeb <>

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Used to be, people were happy to try different operating systems.

I guess we're not as tolerant, and everything with the computers have become a lot more complicated.

[#] Tue Mar 13 2018 18:03:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Tolerance has something to do with it, but the cost of switching becomes high as network effects kick in. That's the only reason Windows survived so long even though it didn't become usable until 2009. And of course unix is a timeless classic that has always been so good you don't want to switch away :)

But the "I still need to run software xyz" effect has always been massive.
i/OS gets its database filesystem because it's been that way since the first AS/400's rolled off the line 30 years ago.

Perhaps you would prefer z/OS which has no filesystem at all, just a catalog

[#] Tue Mar 13 2018 23:07:49 EDT from wizard of aahz

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Actually IG.. I think the system 3/x had the same filesystem as a database before the 400..

[#] Wed Mar 14 2018 11:51:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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It might have.  My experience with the platform doesn't go that far back.  I did a couple of consulting gigs building LAN gateways for 5250 emulation, but once the logon screen appeared I was done.  Also I began my career in the early 1990's so most of those shops were already in the process of upgrading to AS/400 (or downgrading to Windows NT).

SNA gateways ... pfft ... it's amazing that it took the IBM world so long to just LAN-attach everything natively.

[#] Mon Mar 19 2018 13:50:19 EDT from fleeb <>

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I just... really liked BeOS, for its design. That OS seemed amazing architectually.

[#] Thu Mar 22 2018 17:46:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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F***ing VMware can't build a working user interface.

I'm currently working in vSphere 6.5 and I now have to use *three* different clients to get to it.

* The "new" web UI is all dynamic HTML5 and is great, but it only has partial functionality.
* The "old" web UI is written in Flash and is just broken. Dialogs will pop up and I can't type anything into them, the whole thing will crash, etc.
* Some things still only work right in the "fat client", which was deprecated years ago and can't access newer functions.

Get your act together, Virtzilla.

[#] Thu Mar 22 2018 18:32:44 EDT from wizard of aahz

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At least it's not Hypervisor

[#] Mon Mar 26 2018 14:40:56 EDT from kc5tja

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z/OS definitely has a filesystem. It just gives the system programmer manual control over the primary extent. For secondary extents, you have control over their size, but the FS automates their allocation on your behalf. Control over the primary extent is useful for large databases like Oracle or DB2 or whatnot. Note, I'm not even talking about UFS.

That said, there's a certain niceness to having the system catalog. Not having to worry where something is located all the time is awfully nice. (Plus, I've always liked flat namespaces, so I'm rather biased.)

[#] Mon Mar 26 2018 14:50:29 EDT from fleeb <>

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You could probably do what you need to do from their APIs instead.

Just write everything you need to do in Java. You'll likely make critical errors while working on it, leading to the destruction of all your critical production VMs, but you only live once.

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