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[#] Thu Jan 21 2021 11:15:12 EST from Nurb432

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Ya, most of us around here did not know what hockey was. ( well, i guess we did have a local team but you get what i mean )

Reagan did it. He was the poster child of renewed pride in our country. That we could be better again and this was not forever.

That said, he did gut the biggest industry around here, automotive, with that stupid NAFTA BS.  THAT i dont forgive him for. He should have been smarter than that.

Looking back, due to my age and our situation i was sort of shielded from the worst of the early 80s, but i can see that it was a bit on the rough side just didnt know better.  Both my parents worked, i raised my siblings.  One owned a small business ( that ended up failing due to the economy ).  Area i lived i was mostly middle class, both parents working to make it so we were all in the same boat. But, we all had a roof, food to eat, electricity, 2 old cars, a pet or two and clothes on our backs that were not falling apart. Not a lot of toys or stuff to do that didnt involve just riding around on our bikes or staying home ( board games, ping pong, stuff like that ), but we didnt go without the basics. So we really didnt realize how bad it was out there as the further away you got from areas like ours, where many didnt have all of those basics. After college and once i left home in the late 80s, things had improved a lot by then, tho NAFTA was starting to take its toll. I had ended up in automotive (as IT) and saw it first hand. It was terrible. Will never forget that. Watching an industry collapses like that around you, changes you.

 

Thu Jan 21 2021 10:33:51 EST from ParanoidDelusions

The Olympic Hockey team did nothing to ensure that I never had to eat a Government Cheese sandwich on day-old bakery bread again. 

Reagan gets the credit for that one. 

 



[#] Thu Jan 21 2021 17:04:17 EST from zooer

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The Miracle on Ice made us unite as a people, and feel good as a country.  It turned the nation around, back on to a positive attitude, everything else followed. 

 

That being said I remember my high school history teacher being disappointed when the announcement was made the hostages were freed on inauguration day.



[#] Thu Jan 21 2021 21:37:16 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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So liberal educators have been disappointed when good things happen to the other side's President for a long time. ;) 

 

Thu Jan 21 2021 17:04:17 EST from zooer

The Miracle on Ice made us unite as a people, and feel good as a country.  It turned the nation around, back on to a positive attitude, everything else followed. 

 

That being said I remember my high school history teacher being disappointed when the announcement was made the hostages were freed on inauguration day.



 



[#] Fri Jan 22 2021 09:52:03 EST from Nurb432

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Or their supporters. 

Thu Jan 21 2021 21:37:16 EST from ParanoidDelusions

So liberal educators have been disappointed when good things happen to the other side's President for a long time. ;) 

 

 


[#] Fri Jan 22 2021 10:20:22 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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They'll fix that, though! 

 

Fri Jan 22 2021 09:52:03 EST from Nurb432

Or their supporters. 

 


[#] Fri Jan 22 2021 11:58:34 EST from zooer

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Long before the internet, long before 24 hour news cycles, the crap we see today was going on.  She felt the Reagan administration worked with the Iran government on the timing of the release of the hostages.  Wait until Reagan was sworn in, release the hostages.  

 



[#] Fri Jan 22 2021 13:54:38 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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The Reagan administration might have done that. 

So what? Carter had such a terrible relationship with Iran that Iran was willing to broker that solution with Reagan if so. I don't see the problem with that. 

Democrats, "They did that just to make you look bad. Reagan did this just to make us look bad!" 

Me, "It only worked because you had put yourself in a position where the parties involved wanted to make you look bad." 

 

Fri Jan 22 2021 11:58:34 EST from zooer

Long before the internet, long before 24 hour news cycles, the crap we see today was going on.  She felt the Reagan administration worked with the Iran government on the timing of the release of the hostages.  Wait until Reagan was sworn in, release the hostages.  

 



 



[#] Fri Jan 22 2021 15:06:47 EST from Nurb432

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Yes it was, but nowhere near the extent it is now. The news cycle helps drive it and helps separate us even more. Back then, people had lives to deal with and unless it effected them directly, it was a minimal part of their life.

Also, out in fly-over, both sides were far more cordial to each other. 

Fri Jan 22 2021 11:58:34 EST from zooer

Long before the internet, long before 24 hour news cycles, the crap we see today was going on.  She felt the Reagan administration worked with the Iran government on the timing of the release of the hostages.  Wait until Reagan was sworn in, release the hostages.  

 



 



[#] Fri Jan 22 2021 15:13:43 EST from Nurb432

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A bit of fear too, Reagan might actually DO something to them. 

 

Company i worked for back then.  We had a traditional 'corporate handbook'. First page where you normally see the founder ( which was no longer with us, and you weren't allowed to talk about him. Long story..  ) but instead there was a picture of a ex-special forces something or other. I forget his actual position before he retired. "this is the mercenary we hired to run a rescue operation to get our people out of the middle east when things went south".  Page 2 was the current CEO and i think co-founder actually.  The company did care about its people.

A far different time.

 

Fri Jan 22 2021 13:54:38 EST from ParanoidDelusions

The Reagan administration might have done that. 

So what? Carter had such a terrible relationship with Iran that Iran was willing to broker that solution with Reagan if so. I don't see the problem with that. 

Democrats, "They did that just to make you look bad. Reagan did this just to make us look bad!" 

Me, "It only worked because you had put yourself in a position where the parties involved wanted to make you look bad." 

 

 


[#] Fri Jan 22 2021 18:32:40 EST from nonservator

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Twitter suspends Antifa accounts?

I guess dissent is no longer the highest form of patriotism.

And the idiots are no longer useful.



[#] Sat Jan 23 2021 10:29:02 EST from Nurb432

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The left tend to eat their own. 

Fri Jan 22 2021 18:32:40 EST from nonservator

Twitter suspends Antifa accounts?

I guess dissent is no longer the highest form of patriotism.

And the idiots are no longer useful.



 



[#] Sat Jan 23 2021 14:14:53 EST from nonservator

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As long as they're impeaching Trump, he's still President.



[#] Sat Jan 23 2021 15:43:37 EST from Nurb432

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I agree, constitutionally their jurisdiction ended the day he ceased to be president.  But they thin their power is absolute. 

 

Congress no longer has any authority, its now a DoJ issue if there were any laws broken. But since he committed no crime...

Sat Jan 23 2021 14:14:53 EST from nonservator

As long as they're impeaching Trump, he's still President.



 



[#] Sat Jan 23 2021 20:13:40 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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That said, he did gut the biggest industry around here, automotive, with that stupid NAFTA BS.  THAT i dont forgive him for. He should have been smarter than that.

NAFTA was signed in 1992 by George Hitler Bush.  Reagan had nothing to do with it.

There are places Reagan did make mistakes, mostly in terms of making compromises with the Hitlerdemocrats that they never made good on.



[#] Sat Jan 23 2021 20:30:40 EST from Nurb432

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that isn't how i remember it.  but regardless, NAFTA was bad. 

Sat Jan 23 2021 20:13:40 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

That said, he did gut the biggest industry around here, automotive, with that stupid NAFTA BS.  THAT i dont forgive him for. He should have been smarter than that.

NAFTA was signed in 1992 by George Hitler Bush.  Reagan had nothing to do with it.

There are places Reagan did make mistakes, mostly in terms of making compromises with the Hitlerdemocrats that they never made good on.



 



[#] Sat Jan 23 2021 21:45:28 EST from zooer

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The impetus for a North American free trade zone began with U.S. president Ronald Reagan, who made the idea part of his 1980 presidential campaign. After the signing of the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement in 1988, the administrations of U.S. president George H. W. Bush, Mexican president Carlos Salinas de Gortari, and Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney agreed to negotiate what became NAFTA.



[#] Sun Jan 24 2021 07:10:52 EST from Nurb432

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Perhaps that is what im remembering, and why ( it was a couple of years ago ).  So still his fault.

Sat Jan 23 2021 21:45:28 EST from zooer

The impetus for a North American free trade zone began with U.S. president Ronald Reagan, who made the idea part of his 1980 presidential campaign.



[#] Sun Jan 24 2021 09:32:44 EST from nonservator

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Political Compass was created by libertarians and is just a tad biased, but crude and retarded a tool as it is, can still be a good starting point. For most of my life, I was near or on the bottom line, full pants on head ancap.

Now? I'm down one square from the center, and just a hair to the right. Just enough to be on the right side of the line.

Such a radical, far-out extremist.

Fuck this clown world.



[#] Sun Jan 24 2021 11:54:55 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I think aligning the Conservative economic Right with the Moral Right was a mistake. It put a huge emphasis on gay rights and abortion rights - which is super alienating to the Political Left, front and center on the GOP agenda. 

Ultimately, that is why the Moral Puritans of Right Thought on the Left still hold onto the mistake that the RIGHT wants to limit people's personal freedoms. For a long time, the Right drove these wedge issues ahead of everything else while CLAIMING to be the party of small government and personal freedom. 

It was an irreconcilable dichotomy in our platform and our values. 

And the Democrats have really ran with it. 

 

Sat Jan 23 2021 20:13:40 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

 

There are places Reagan did make mistakes, mostly in terms of making compromises with the Hitlerdemocrats that they never made good on.



 



[#] Sun Jan 24 2021 13:24:56 EST from Nurb432

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Been looking for the list of executive orders this **** spewed out during his first couple of days, but i dont want to watch video commentary biased towards the right, or read horribly left biased 'summaries' from so-called news services that could not tell the truth if their life depended onit..

So, anyone happen to know where the actual content is stored?



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