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[#] Sun Mar 06 2022 15:07:08 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Of course. And for those living in apartment complexes in cities, it's likely even worse. Very densely packed airwaves. I have neither any interest nor any sympathy for those folks, because they likely have problems much larger than the speed of their local area networks.

My house is smack in the middle of a one acre lot. My neighbors to the east and west are some 300-400 feet away; my neighbors to the north and south are at least 100 feet away. I can see the latter with a wifi scanner on a good day, but the signals are weak and my own access points are far stronger. Also, my elevation is pretty low relative to the rest of the area, so getting a signal out to the community at all would require quite an antenna (indeed, I use a femtocell to get decent cell service).

I have to wonder whether the hesitancy of consumer ISPs to bless their customers running servers has to do with anything other than technical issues. The lopsided bandwidth allocation of DOCSIS and ADSL, the impracticality of assigning static IP addresses, the reactive maintenance load of dealing with open mail relays ... is it any wonder that when a fully open connection is available at all, it costs more? Maybe my perspective is different from most run-it-at-home hobbyists because I work for a hosting company and actually know what's involved.

The suppression of independent voices wasn't really a thing when consumer broadband first became available. Perhaps it's a convenience to "them" now, but I don't think it was designed into the system. And I do think that the next generation of micropublishing and microhosting will be built without dependency on static IP addresses. People who want to get their messages out but can't because they live in third world shitholes like the United States will continue to innovate around the choke points.

[#] Mon Mar 07 2022 07:59:43 EST from Nurb432

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So i read this as the feds want control of the routing tables? "dont let a crisis go to waste"

https://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2022/03/russias-cyber-tactics-are-prompting-fcc-address-internet-routing-security/362616/



[#] Sun Mar 13 2022 13:16:13 EDT from Nurb432

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Aside of one's feelings about copyright infringement, bit torrent is a protocol, not an action. This is stupid and a bad precedent.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/torguard-will-prevent-vpn-customers-from-using-bittorrent



[#] Sun Mar 13 2022 13:20:37 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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"use commercially reasonable efforts to block BitTorrent traffic on its servers in the United States using firewall technology."


Translation: 

"The pirates will get around our reasonable efforts to block their traffic. It is what they do." 

They're just appeasing stupid people who think that once a picture of Axl Rose gets out onto the Internet, there is some way to take it back. 

Sun Mar 13 2022 13:16:13 EDT from Nurb432

Aside of one's feelings about copyright infringement, bit torrent is a protocol, not an action. This is stupid and a bad precedent.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/torguard-will-prevent-vpn-customers-from-using-bittorrent



 



[#] Sun Mar 13 2022 13:39:45 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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We're going to see more and more of this - it was what I was talking about with rules for VR... 

They're going to sterilize the entire Internet/Metaverse whatever TF buzzword you want to use to describe being online - for the masses. It is mainstream and commercial now - and it'll be neutered down to the safest, most sanitized version possible - for those people. 

And the rest of us will be pushed further and further underground and off into the shanty-towns and ghettos of the Information Highway... far away in difficult places to reach that are very dangerous, very paranoid and very secure - and that require a strong understanding of what that means from an information technology perspective. 


Think of the slums where Winston and Julia meet in Big Brother. In fact, all of it is analogous. Big Brother, Oceania - certainly knows about Uncensored, about The Sanitarium, about who goes there, what they think and believe. As long as those places and people are contained and relatively impotent - they're a safety vent. Just another necessary part of the machine. They also exist not as a place to allow those things - but to contain them and isolate them from the operation of what matters. 

So, you can spend your time in the NYC of VR - Facebook, or further out in the nearly rural suburbs - Citadel and The Sanitarium - or in a shack in the woods in Montana - somewhere on some obfuscated site only accessible through special methods. 


But wherever you go, there is a pretty good chance they'll be watching you. ;) 

 




 



[#] Sun Mar 13 2022 18:37:49 EDT from Nurb432

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In this case they are blocking fundamental protocols. So you wont be able to get your hookup with Julia.. 

Can they stop it all. not easily but it can be done. "Only addresses we approve of ( ties back to US government wanting control over routing tables ), via protocols we approve the use of ( the commercial side of things ) and with encryption where we have the back door to ( government again )".  Any deviation = we cut your service and report you. You dont even have to be doing something wrong underneath, just the act of doing it is illegal. 

They can also mandate a 'tainted IP stack' to where you dont get a connection at all if they cant monitor your packets at the source ( like they have wanted for video output. for decades now ).   Its sort of what some of the ISPs did in the dial up days.  Not nefarious in their case, but the concept does exist.  ( and yes that is severely paranoid, but i no longer put anything past 'them' ).   

Oh,and remember that little copy of minix running on every modern x86 motherboard underneath whatever you install? Well, it becomes mandated, to kill off 'unencumbered' legacy systems.

 

 

Sun Mar 13 2022 01:39:45 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

We're going to see more and more of this - it was what I was talking about with rules for VR... 

They're going to sterilize the entire Internet/Metaverse whatever TF buzzword you want to use to describe being online - for the masses. It is mainstream and commercial now - and it'll be neutered down to the safest, most sanitized version possible - for those people. 

And the rest of us will be pushed further and further underground and off into the shanty-towns and ghettos of the Information Highway... far away in difficult places to reach that are very dangerous, very paranoid and very secure - and that require a strong understanding of what that means from an information technology perspective. 


Think of the slums where Winston and Julia meet in Big Brother. In fact, all of it is analogous. Big Brother, Oceania - certainly knows about Uncensored, about The Sanitarium, about who goes there, what they think and believe. As long as those places and people are contained and relatively impotent - they're a safety vent. Just another necessary part of the machine. They also exist not as a place to allow those things - but to contain them and isolate them from the operation of what matters. 

So, you can spend your time in the NYC of VR - Facebook, or further out in the nearly rural suburbs - Citadel and The Sanitarium - or in a shack in the woods in Montana - somewhere on some obfuscated site only accessible through special methods. 


But wherever you go, there is a pretty good chance they'll be watching you. ;) 

 




 



 



[#] Mon Mar 14 2022 09:15:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Aside of one's feelings about copyright infringement, bit torrent is
a protocol, not an action. This is stupid and a bad precedent.

That's because they are stupid and bad people. :)

My browser of choice is Brave, but I can't use it at work because it has a Tor client built into it. At the moment, Brave is also my favorite search engine, but it's blocked at our firewall to prevent people from downloading the browser. Grr.

In this case it's a privately operated network and following their rules is reasonable because I'm using their computer on their network as part of an employment arrangement. But it's still frustrating to have a piece of software blocked because of what someone "could" do with it.

[#] Mon Mar 14 2022 12:44:55 EDT from Nurb432

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I think they had ( still have? ) a piracy tax in Canada on storage. "because you might mis-use that drive"



[#] Sat Mar 19 2022 09:36:54 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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That level of Orwellian control with just create innovation in ways that the laws do not address - kind of like the way that black market drugs created illegal designer drugs that were different enough at a molecular level to evade the coverage of the law. Of course, they'll develop new laws, and the black market will figure out new ways to skirt them. 

How did that go with the drug war? Eventually, they just gave up and legalized the base drugs because - in part - the designer attempts to get around those laws were often worse than the harm they were trying to prevent with the initial laws. 

Bath salts and synthetic marijuana were worse than just relaxing marijuana laws. 

Same thing will happen here. 

Over regulation is *eventually* self correcting. I mean, the drug war raged from about the 30s until 2020 - almost 100 years - and at its peak it was brutally oppressive. But throughout that entire time, people were still getting high. 

And, they're still battling it - but not with the ferocity that they did, nor the scope or breadth - and it is probable that eventually they'll all but abandon it. 

I suspect the same thing will happen with network regulation. 



[#] Mon Mar 21 2022 09:13:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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It ends up being a cat-and-mouse game -- one that I am ok with, in fact, because the harder the pigopolists work to lock down the choke points, the harder the free world will work to build new systems that don't have choke points.

[#] Tue Apr 12 2022 16:02:53 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I think this is true to a point. There are always some of us willing to fight back - but you get to a point where you're like Soviet era Communist Russia, or current China - where being a dissident - they'll not only kick in your door at 2 AM and drag you to the re-education camp - your entire family and loved ones, innocent and unaware or not, will be waiting there for you when you arrive, having already received a good deal of "re-education". 

We're nearing that event horizon in the West. 

 

Mon Mar 21 2022 09:13:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
It ends up being a cat-and-mouse game -- one that I am ok with, in fact, because the harder the pigopolists work to lock down the choke points, the harder the free world will work to build new systems that don't have choke points.

 



[#] Sat Apr 16 2022 12:06:50 EDT from Nurb432

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Well, those coax/Ethernet adapters worked well for about 3 months.  Now network is up/down last couple of days. Bleh. 

They were cheap, DirectTV branded, no indicator lights ( not even a power light !?!?!? ) , so cant even tell if they are resetting, dead or what.   Ordered 2 more , WITH lights..  bit more expensive and not 'home units'. ( and 2.5g, and can support several boxes, not just 100m and 2.. not that ill do that, but still, better boxes )

Frustrating.  Was working so well....  



[#] Sat Apr 16 2022 12:50:38 EDT from Nurb432

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"was supposed to say 100m and 2 boxes"



[#] Sun Apr 17 2022 18:12:54 EDT from Nurb432

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Well, they arrived.  doubled my speed to the internet from my 'office' ( ~ 200m up/down now ) and a full 1gb to my servers... 

Not that 100 mb wasn't enough for the 'office', but since i had to replace the boxes anyway....



[#] Wed Apr 20 2022 09:20:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Were these MoCA repeaters? Those were pretty common in DirecTV and FiOS installations.
They can actually carry multiple "vlans" if you need that -- Verizon used that feature to carry data from the fiber terminal to the router and then from the router to the set top boxes.

I abandoned all of mine when I cut the cord and didn't need coax anymore
:)

[#] Wed Apr 20 2022 18:19:27 EDT from Nurb432

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From what i can tell its just the new standard, bit more bandwidth and its not point to point, you can have several of the devices hanging off the same 'cable'.



[#] Wed Apr 20 2022 18:23:07 EDT from Nurb432

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Bleh, hit send too fast.

My cable does NOT go to the pole. i cut that off a decade ago.  But its still in the house, and running cat5 IN the house to where i need it would be a nightmare ( i think i mentioned that, but if not, its due to stupid truss attic and stuff in the way ) and running cat 5 outside, would be costly..   So just using what i have. 

"Just use WiFi", interference around here is getting bad.  And sure, regular use is ok, but RDP and our stupid shop VPN, not so much. A little blip, and down it goes.

 



[#] Fri Apr 22 2022 17:06:44 EDT from Nurb432

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When your up-link cable isn't clipped in and it falls out of your switch,  your network slows down. 



[#] Fri Apr 22 2022 18:01:00 EDT from zelgomer

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2022-04-22 21:06 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
When your up-link cable isn't clipped in and it falls out of your
switch,  your network slows down. 



[#] Fri Apr 22 2022 18:01:45 EDT from zelgomer

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2022-04-22 22:01 from zelgomer <zelgomer@uncensored.citadel.org>
2022-04-22 21:06 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
When your up-link cable isn't clipped in and it falls out of your
switch, your network slows down.





*(@#&(*&%#@$ i am too stupid to use this ui

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