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[#] Fri Jan 16 2015 09:00:56 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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whew, comparing windos 8.1 and GRML on an amd64 box, std::mutex...

windos is around 100 times slower.



[#] Fri Jan 16 2015 09:49:35 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I did find that setting, and changed it to "download but don't install." How st00pid that updates have to be so intrusive.

[#] Fri Jan 16 2015 10:55:57 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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How stoopid is the average Windows user?

[#] Fri Jan 16 2015 13:18:01 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Jan 16 2015 6:49am from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd (Uncensored)
I did find that setting, and changed it to "download but don't
install." How st00pid that updates have to be so intrusive.



True. But those options have been present in WinDoze at least since Win98SE.

[#] Fri Jan 16 2015 13:22:20 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Jan 16 2015 7:55am from fleeb @uncnsrd (Uncensored)

How stoopid is the average Windows user?


Heh. The simple fact that a vastly superior OS (any v. of linux) has been available, *free*, for over twenty years speaks directly to this.

Particularly true today since it is now possible to install a linux system with a user-friendly desktop through a "live CD" - and that in a few of those, the process is (almost) idiot proof and much faster than *any* install process for *any* version of WinDoze.

The problem is that to truly enjoy linux you do have to "know a few things." And for the overwhelming majority of today's computer users, that is "well above their pay grade."

[#] Sat Jan 17 2015 07:03:10 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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You have to know a lot of things on any OS. The chances are just better that you know somebody who knows a few things, when you live in the windows world. Few people happen to know a few things about two OS, even fewer about more than 2 common operating systems. I am happy already that more and more companies offer an OSX version of their software. Now that more and more games are available on Linux, I guess the normal companies might at least offer software for recent Ubuntu versions.

 

Now to the bashing: Microsoft Easy Transfer.... fails almost always, but it is still fun to see how and why. Most recent case: failed with "Target computer can't connect Domain Controller" in a domainless environment. The reason? Probably an umlaut in the user/computername that I wanted transferred. Who uses those anyway?



[#] Tue Jan 20 2015 09:12:30 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The problem is that to truly enjoy linux you do have to "know a few
things." And for the overwhelming majority of today's computer users,

that is "well above their pay grade."

I run both operating systems on a daily basis. Here's the situation.

Linux takes a bit more work to get things running the way you need them to, particularly if you're in a corporate environment that has drunk a lot of Microsoft kool-aid (active directory, exchange, lync, sharepoint).

Windows, particularly in that type of environment, sort of "just works."

Linux, on the other hand, has a tendency to *stay working* once you have things running.

And then there's Mac OS, which even after all these years still feels like operating a computer while wearing mittens.

[#] Wed Jan 21 2015 16:30:39 EST from triLcat @ Uncensored

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yep. which is why Windows is sometimes the right choice for one's overall situation.
As for Mac, I'm pretty sure it's just for hipsters.
It's not even easier to use anymore. 



[#] Fri Jan 23 2015 07:14:19 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Windows is never the right choice.  Windows should only be used if you get railroaded into it, and here's why:

Unicode has had the following characters for a while now:

U+263A : WHITE SMILING FACE : ☺

U+1F603 : SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH : 😃

And yet Microsoft Outlook still insists on converting the emoticon " :) " into a smiley face from its "Wingdings" font, which ends up looking like a capital letter "J" on every non-Microsoft platform.

Yes, I know, that can be turned off, but it would be more appropriate to mass-genocide the entire Microsoft staff.



[#] Fri Jan 23 2015 08:47:40 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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<pedant>

Windows isn't Outlook. It still treats Unicode characters according to standards.
Outlook is at fault here for not following Unicode standards.

</pedant>

All of this said, a lot of Microsoft staff was laid off not too long ago, so I expect they aren't feeling much love from Microsoft now. In many ways, they seem like victims. Heh.

[#] Fri Jan 23 2015 10:29:40 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Windows isn't Outlook. It still treats Unicode characters according


Sure, and cancer is no big deal if you don't care about the part of your body where the cancer is, right?

If you've been railroaded into using Windows on the desktop, it's probably because someone is running back end crap like Exchange, which is designed to suck even more miserably when you don't use Outlook. In other words, the entire Microsoft software ecosystem is a software cancer that spreads itself into everything that it touches. That ecosystem can and should be criticized as a whole. And like cancer, it should be eradicated.

[#] Mon Jan 26 2015 18:28:05 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Wed Jan 21 2015 16:30:39 ESTfrom triLcat @ Uncensored

As for Mac, I'm pretty sure it's just for hipsters.
It's not even easier to use anymore. 

Hipsters would prefer linux' noncoformity over a Mac, but there is no photoshop available.
Last semester, I took Relantional Databases 2 as a course at the university, there were 3 people using a Macbook Air (one of them a dedicated hipster, glasses and beard and iphone and all, one a russian and one was me), all others were using various Microsoft machines. Only one guy was using a linux. Even CS students have given up on linux, sadly.

 



[#] Tue Jan 27 2015 06:23:49 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Hrm... linux is still used very heavily in a variety of places. Why would CS students give up on it?

[#] Tue Jan 27 2015 07:14:13 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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because of they don't know better?



[#] Tue Jan 27 2015 12:01:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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At one time, there was a popular rationale that if the free world didn't conquer the desktop, Microsoft would eventually use all of their lock-in and tie-in strategy to conquer everything that is *not* the desktop.

Well, here we are, some 15 years after what I would call the peak of the Microsoft "red scare" in the late 1990's, and the landscape looks a bit different...

* Apple is no longer on life support
* Even though the Linux desktop is superior to Windows in every conceivable way, it still has less than 5% uptake
* Quite simply, the Windows desktop, awful as it is, is not going away.
* On the other hand, Linux has taken over pretty much everywhere else:
* Linux absolutely *dominates* mobile
* The infrastructure operating system of choice is Linux
* "The Cloud" is powered by Linux (except for A$ure of course)
* Servers, except for the crapfest of AD/Exchange/Sharepoint preferred by corporate types everywhere, are largely an open systems phenomenon these days.
* And let's face it, nobody in their right mind writes software that runs directly on the desktop anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still like to feed Bill Gates feet-first into a wood chipper, and then nuke Redmond. I'd still like to see more Linux desktops out there. I'd still like to be able to buy a f***ing laptop from a volume seller that doesn't have a Microsoft jizya included in the price. But, the free world isn't fighting for its own survival anymore. We're here, we're fabulous, get used to us.

[#] Wed Jan 28 2015 07:55:20 EST from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Tue Jan 27 2015 12:01:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
At one time, there was a popular rationale that if the free world didn't conquer the desktop, Microsoft would eventually use all of their lock-in and tie-in strategy to conquer everything that is *not* the desktop.

Well, here we are, some 15 years after what I would call the peak of the Microsoft "red scare" in the late 1990's, and the landscape looks a bit different...

* Apple is no longer on life support
* Even though the Linux desktop is superior to Windows in every conceivable way, it still has less than 5% uptake
* Quite simply, the Windows desktop, awful as it is, is not going away.
* On the other hand, Linux has taken over pretty much everywhere else:
* Linux absolutely *dominates* mobile
* The infrastructure operating system of choice is Linux
* "The Cloud" is powered by Linux (except for A$ure of course)
* Servers, except for the crapfest of AD/Exchange/Sharepoint preferred by corporate types everywhere, are largely an open systems phenomenon these days.
* And let's face it, nobody in their right mind writes software that runs directly on the desktop anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still like to feed Bill Gates feet-first into a wood chipper, and then nuke Redmond. I'd still like to see more Linux desktops out there. I'd still like to be able to buy a f***ing laptop from a volume seller that doesn't have a Microsoft jizya included in the price. But, the free world isn't fighting for its own survival anymore. We're here, we're fabulous, get used to us.

I guess you forget all of the settop boxes, DVD players and tellys which usually have a linux derivate in them...  Even in vehicle entertainment systems tend to be linux. wince was a nice try with almost zero uptake...

In terms of device count linux realy won.



[#] Wed Jan 28 2015 11:51:01 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I guess you forget all of the settop boxes, DVD players and tellys
which usually have a linux derivate in them...  Even in vehicle
entertainment systems tend to be linux. wince was a nice try with
almost zero uptake...

In terms of device count linux realy won.

I can't speak for FIOS STBs, or the typical cable STB...AT&T's Uverse STBs run an embedded Windows (they report as WinCE).

[#] Wed Jan 28 2015 19:03:11 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Tue Jan 27 2015 06:23:49 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored
Hrm... linux is still used very heavily in a variety of places. Why would CS students give up on it? 

I have no clue, really. Because they are to lazy? Because they need photoshop, too?

The other bizarre thing in the relational database course: They always talked about DB2 and Oracle. Mysql and friends almost always were talked about like they were the demented basketcase of the family. I understand that in a business environment, there are commercial DBMS around. But universities also teach Java instead of commercial grade programming language (TM). Most of the web is powered by free dbms, I guess. And all of the companies I work for use MSSQL Express, if forced to. It is rather easy for any student to set up mysql and mssql express to experiment on, I'd focus my courses on something like that.



[#] Wed Jan 28 2015 22:26:53 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Both Dish Network and (in)DirecTV set tops are linux. In fact, there are many hacks out there for both.

[#] Thu Jan 29 2015 08:45:58 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I can see teaching Oracle. DB2? Oookay, fine.

But the industry heavily uses MySQL and SQL Server (not that either of those are my preferred db engine of choice). Oracle is also heavily used, so I get that.

Ah well... I shouldn't be surprised the colleges are out of touch.

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