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[#] Mon Aug 18 2014 16:18:41 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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The Major of munich was annoyed that the admins took some time in hooking his crapphone up to the city's mailing system. Also, "all departments are constantly annoyed with limux".

In other news, the major seems to be an ms fanboy and they have the new german headquarter of ms build in the middle of munich or something unfishy like that.

Some of the employes seem to enjoy the limux, some don't. Others argue "show us the place were a pure windows environment works flawless". Etc., etc., etc.

Most recent article:

Hm, Heise has an english version, "The H", oddly enough they do not seem to have an english article.

[#] Mon Aug 18 2014 17:20:32 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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the english version - h-online shut down a while back.

it seems as if the munich council has ordered a study whether switching back will improve things.

[#] Mon Aug 18 2014 18:40:42 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The sensible thing to do is move *all* applications behind the glass, so they can be accessed from any device in any location. That's what pretty much every organization should be doing right now.

The desktop PC is obsolete, even if it's running Linux. It's *more* obsolete if it's running Windows.

[#] Tue Aug 19 2014 02:11:39 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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yes - for shure. and if not, there is terminal server to run windows apps in the closet.

but, its probably hard to tell the worker drones, who have been used to whatever else - and everyone they're talking to outside of the city has that.



[#] Wed Aug 20 2014 18:31:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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You know what I think is cool?

The name of the web site where you can download the utility "" is ...

[#] Thu Aug 21 2014 22:22:42 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Presenting Oricle Linux... with a windows error pop-up.

[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 02:46:53 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 07:55:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Does anyone actually use Oracle Linux?  "It's built from the same sources as Red Hat, just like CentOS, except you get to pay us for it!"

Sure, that will work great. 

[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 08:40:36 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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It's especially odd considering they have their own Unix in Solaris. You'd think they'd make an effort to make that a tad more... presentable?

[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 09:36:59 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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well, if you want to run teh oracle on it, then it could be a thing to do - from the perspective you have one person to blame for your problems, and no fingerpointing possible.

I don't think anybody else would opt in for unbreakable linux.

[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 12:24:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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In the 1990's there was a product called "Blue Box Netware" -- it was the standard distribution of NetWare, but the background color of the box was blue instead of red, and it had an IBM SKU and could be ordered from IBM.
The only reason it existed was because there were still a lot of shops that had internal requirements to order computer hardware and software only from IBM, and this allowed them to have NetWare.

Oracle Linux would let you order the entire software side of the stack, top to bottom, from Oracle ... but if you're going to do that, why not just buy a Sun machine and have the whole thing from one vendor?

[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 13:23:04 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Who buys machines anymore? #cloud

[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 13:42:29 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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I don't buy them - I build them. Point, however, is that they real machines and not these "do it in the 'cloud'" toys (cf: 'chrome box' or 'tablet').

Sorry, but I am very much old-school on this issue.
The boxen do periodic backups to a local storage system.
And the storage system sits behind a firewall that prevents it from being reached in any way other than by being right there "inside the room" (on the office LAN).

I just do not have confidence in *any* level of "perceived" security in the "cloud." What's on the net can be hacked - period.

[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 15:08:22 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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It isn't necessarily all about security, in terms of being hacked. It's also security in recovering from failures.

Or, ideally, never noticing the failures in the first place, because everything is abstracted into oblivion, and the people who maintain a cloudly infrastracture ensure that hardware failures are addressed, while the software blissfully notices that something has failed and shifts to some other available hardware that isn't failing (without anyone having to notice or be concerned about it other than the cloudly maintainers).

This said, such environments are not as useful in, say, a broadcast facility with specialized hardware for distributing a/v stuff. Although it could be, if the broadcasting industry could ever get their head out of their collective ass.

[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 15:48:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Stop thinking of cloud in terms of the mass-marketed crap offered to consumers and retail customers.

The cloud services that I'm involved in maintaining are nothing like that.
We run on high end hardware, are subject to massive security audits, and because of those audits we can handle PCI, HIPAA, Sarbanes-Oxley, all sorts of strict compliance.

Is the firewall in your house being monitored by an IDS with a NOC standing by 24/7/365 to handle any alerts that come up? Mine is. Does the server in your house have a pile of hot spare disks and a staff of engineers ready to handle replacements any time of the day? Mine does. Do you have thousands of gallons of fuel to keep your server powered up for days in the event of a power outage? I do.

The point is: the kind of enterprise customer who would want to run a big Oracle server, isn't going to just spin up a server at Amazon or Rackspice, and they'd be foolish to try to run it in-house unless they are already operating a carrier class data center of their own. If they want to outsource it to a cloud, they're going to send it to a real enterprise-grade cloud run by a provider who's giving them a strict SLA (Service Level Agreement).
There are big financial penalties to pay for downtime, and huge penalties to pay for lost data.

So yes, if you're a consumer, your data is probably better guarded by you than by some crappy consumer grade cloud. But for the kind of customers for whom data processing is critical to their business ... a managed hosting provider can often do it not only cheaper but also *better* than self-hosting.

[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 16:45:24 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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The point is: the kind of enterprise customer who would want to run a

big Oracle server, isn't going to just spin up a server at Amazon or

flack jacket time.

Amazon RDS/Mysql is probably the most popular, but Amazon RDS/Oracle exists. On-demand instance pricing starts at $0.04 per instance-hour, which includes the Oracle license, or less for a BYO-License.

Not paying $1Million for Oracle? That, good sir is revolutionary.

There are certain advantages. Starting at $0.08/hour (for the t1.micro instance class, yes) you get a multi-availability-zone deployment with a failover node always on standby. Management (including disaster recovery) is highly automated via Amazon's control plane. DBMS software upgrade? Click a button, don't think about it, endure a very brief downtime window for failover. Capacity upgrade? Ditto.

And you don't have to pay a DBA in a clown-suit to manage backups, or manage the replication process, or manage any of the hardware - and you can *switch to bigger hardware* at any time with a handful of mouse clicks.

The monthly SLA is 99.95% which is hardly a bad deal. I know of few shops that can add another 9, relying on their own expertise, without tremendous expense.

Shit, you'd think I was an EC2 salesman, but that's far from the truth...

[#] Fri Aug 22 2014 19:19:38 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Can you get a personal meeting with Jeff Bezos after you have an outage?

[#] Sat Aug 23 2014 19:35:17 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Probably not unless your name is "Netflix." :)

[#] Mon Aug 25 2014 09:35:18 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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Fri Aug 22 2014 07:55:13 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Does anyone actually use Oracle Linux?  "It's built from the same sources as Red Hat, just like CentOS, except you get to pay us for it!"

Sure, that will work great.

I've got one machine running it here at my company...we have an older STK tape library which manages the robot using ACSLS. Sun/Oracle won't support ACSLS under Red Hat/CentOS...only Oracle Linux, so we kinda had to.

The good thing is that, unlike Red Hat, they do offer full access to download updates and patches.

[#] Thu Sep 18 2014 06:48:48 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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It feels weird, to me, to make research recommendations to my Linux co-worker (the one hired to work on Linux issues). And yet, I find myself doing this more than I would expect, despite being a primarily Windows-oriented developer.

I dunno... maybe I know more about Linux than I thought.

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