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[#] Sun Oct 20 2019 21:59:18 EDT from 9c @ Uncensored

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When GNUStep gets improved, things my change in the desktop.
But you can use FVWM just fine.

[#] Mon Oct 21 2019 11:30:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The current crop of "mainstream" Linux desktops are crap. They're all aping Apple in unusability. I just want a simple program menu and then GET OUT OF THE WAY.

GNOME 3 and KDE 4 were craptastic enough to drive me away. I hope there is a particularly ultra-hot spot in hell for Miguel de Icaza.

[#] Mon Oct 21 2019 11:40:47 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Don't know about GNUstep, but back in the day, I used to like, I think it was called WindowMaker. Which had a NeXT-like "dock", and probably a MacOS-like skin/theme that I never used.

That never had a file manager/desktop shell, I think, so it was pretty primitive.

[#] Mon Oct 21 2019 18:40:14 EDT from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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2019-10-21 11:30 from IGnatius T Foobar
The current crop of "mainstream" Linux desktops are crap. They're all

aping Apple in unusability. I just want a simple program menu and then

GET OUT OF THE WAY.

GNOME 3 and KDE 4 were craptastic enough to drive me away. I hope

there is a particularly ultra-hot spot in hell for Miguel de Icaza.




I agree with this sentiment up to a point.

Nowadays I install XFCE on computers that need a desktop environment, which is usually workstations for other people. I use DWM on my laptops and fluxbox on my workstations. I don't think any of these are "crap" but they are certainly not for the n00bs.

[#] Mon Oct 21 2019 19:50:02 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Damned if I know why xfce conssistently F's up in a virtualbox environment. Might have something to do with drag and drop integration? I haven't bothered to troubleshoot fully. Just get the crap out of there.

[#] Fri Oct 25 2019 11:31:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I've been using LXDE just for the minimalism and low resource usage, and it seems to run fine inside VirtualBox.

What I'd really like to have is a bare metal hypervisor for the desktop, but there doesn't seem to be a market for that.  I would even be ok with having to hotkey between full screens/



[#] Fri Oct 25 2019 21:45:22 EDT from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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Have you had a look at Qubes? It is a Linux distribution based on Xen containers and you have multiple contexts for things to run in. So you can have a "Work" context, a "File Storage" context, etc. Virtualization is transparent so when you open a web browser in the Work context you only get the web browser window, much like if you had just started a regular browser.

There is even a clipboard for cut&paste between contexts if you need that. Plus Windows 7 integrates transparently too.

[#] Fri Nov 08 2019 00:11:11 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Re: desktop window managers....  Rasterman has what you need :-)

 https://www.enlightenment.org/

 



[#] Fri Nov 08 2019 12:12:11 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Haven't seen that one in a minute!

[#] Tue Nov 19 2019 09:31:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Enlightenment is the UI for Tizen now? When did that happen?

It's interesting to see that E was once the desktop that had the most interesting eye candy to show off, but now that eye candy is overdone in pretty much every desktop, E now goes for simplicity.

[#] Tue Nov 19 2019 10:56:06 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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I remember when E first came out. It was a little pokey on the hardware of the day, and I think it looked a little, uhh, gooey. Too much business in the window borders, as I recall.

[#] Tue Nov 19 2019 10:56:45 EST from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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I mean that as in busy-ness.

[#] Wed Nov 20 2019 20:15:55 EST from FrostyBison @ Uncensored

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Mon Oct 21 2019 11:40:47 AM EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

Don't know about GNUstep, but back in the day, I used to like, I think it was called WindowMaker. Which had a NeXT-like "dock", and probably a MacOS-like skin/theme that I never used.

I switched the window manager on my workstation (OK, "desktop") from Afterstep to WindowMaker almost 20 years ago have continued using WM across several system migration/upgrades.

But, on my new (to me) laptop I'm using Xmonad for the complete lack of decorations.



[#] Fri Nov 22 2019 12:13:50 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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So here's the thing that bugs me about Xmonad and other tiling window managers.  Look for screenshots on the web and all you see is people tiling a bunch of terminal windows.

If what you wanted was the modern equivalent of DESQview, wouldn't it be easier to just build tiling into your terminal program?  (Yes, I know about Terminator, it does exactly that and it's pretty cool.)

I don't see a lot of people using tiling window managers when they actually have a lot of GUI programs running.

That having been said, I still might give it a try.  Now that I have an ultrawide monitor, I find that I've been manually tiling anyway, arranging the windows so that everything is sized and shaped so that nothing is offscreen...



[#] Sat Nov 23 2019 10:29:56 EST from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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I don't see a lot of people using tiling window managers when they

actually have a lot of GUI programs running.


I do use tiling window managers with lots of GUI programs running.

Often times a browser, a file manager and a terminal in a tab, then email and other browser and some encryption tool in another tab(s).

I actually use different browsers for different contexts, so no tabbing mind you.

[#] Sat Nov 23 2019 14:16:50 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Last night I upgraded the memory and disk in my main computer (a humble little Celeron-based NUC) and installed Linux, for a number of different reasons.
I did intend to try out a tiling window manager, but I haven't gotten around to that yet. What I did do, was to start with the latest Kubuntu, since my very favorite video editor (on any platform) is Kdenlive, which is of course native to KDE.

OMFG.

The latest KDE *looks like a desktop*. There is a bar on the bottom of the screen. On the left of the bar is the launcher menu, each open window has a button in the bar, on the right of the bar is the tray, AND THERE IS NOTHING ELSE.

Nothing. Nothing on the top of the screen. No "activities" tray. No "stuff" box. Nothing but the damn desktop. FINALLY someone is returning to an out-of-the-box configuration that looks like a f***ing COMPUTER. It isn't trying to be a phone.
It isn't trying to be a tablet. It isn't trying to be a hybrid interface that's optimized for a refrigerator instead of your desktop.

This is all I really want.

[#] Sun Nov 24 2019 18:54:26 EST from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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I am not much of a fan of KDE/Plasma, because it is a bit cumbersome and resource hungry, but if they are recovering their senses it is good news. Are you sure it is Plasma and not just that the version shipped with Kubuntu has sane defaults?

[#] Sun Nov 24 2019 23:18:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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A quick glance at https://kde.org/plasma-desktop suggests that it's the way they do it now. The headings are "Simple by default", "Powerful when needed", and "Customizable". The first screenshot appears similar to what I see on Kubuntu.

But yes, it is a bit resource hungry. There is some noticeable lag on my low-end computer. And I make no apology on their behalf for that. I'm just so happy that one of the mainstream Linux desktops has returned to a sensible desktop look.

I am very, very happy. As I mentioned in another room, it's enough to make me want to get a decent computer.

[#] Tue Nov 26 2019 10:15:17 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Ok, one more happy moment here. KDE comes with a phone integration app. And it does something we all want: it talks to your phone over the LOCAL NETWORK.
There is no cloud service sitting in the middle of the connection.

*My* computer and *my* phone are now integrated, without someone else's server sitting in between. I want to say "Brilliant!" but it should be the way *everyone* does it.

[#] Tue Nov 26 2019 15:54:45 EST from darknetuser @ Uncensored

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2019-11-26 10:15 from IGnatius T Foobar
Ok, one more happy moment here. KDE comes with a phone integration
app. And it does something we all want: it talks to your phone over the

LOCAL NETWORK.
There is no cloud service sitting in the middle of the connection.

I had heard about that. Which sort of integration does it bring? Does it push your smartphone notifications into your desktop and the other way around?

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