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[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 00:56:10 UTC from darknetuser

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If any of you want to post some results with your equipment, please

run these commands, post the results, and tell me what you ran it on.


I have production equipment that is 5 time slower than Pegasuss, but only because we stuffed it with old hard-drives which are old as the Nigerian Prince Scam.

IMO for home systems it is more important to get hardware that has features than hardware that has raw horsepower.


[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 01:00:28 UTC from darknetuser

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2024-01-10 19:39 from Nurb432
And a topic for another room, but its interesting how we all chose
our machine names.. ( unless you are boring and use serial number or

something )


For home systems, I name them after the place they are located on, so I have machines called wardrobe, bedside... you get the idea.

For production I tend to call things by their function, so you get reverseproxy, mainmail, backupmail...

[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 01:02:15 UTC from darknetuser

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I have the feeling that I should feel stupid because I am happy running equipment you all would regard as utter unusable crap.

[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 01:45:29 UTC from Nurb432

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My VMs are also by function.  Physical boxes that i actually use and not just testing or something ( other than the farm servers ) are things like Village ( ya, same as my now non existent bbs, comes from the 1960s TV show. one of my earliest memories... huge fan. ) wonderland, Moya..    all 'places' so its a 'theme'

At the office when i was still in charge of things, they were the serial numbers... Boring but useful.

Wed Jan 10 2024 20:00:28 EST from darknetuser
For home systems, I name them after the place they are located on, so I have machines called wardrobe, bedside... you get the idea.

For production I tend to call things by their function, so you get reverseproxy, mainmail, backupmail...

 



[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 01:49:27 UTC from Nurb432

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Depends on use case. If you are a hard core gamer, you want power. if you are an AI nut, you *need* it.. 

But if you just want to watch cat videos, read email and do a spreadsheet every so often.. ya it dont matter that much, once you reach a certain threshold. 

Same for your incoming network line.. ( bringing it back to the room topic :)  ) if all you want to do is stream a couple cat videos at the same time and read mail.. dont need much. But if you want to do hard core multi player games, you need bandwidth.  

Wed Jan 10 2024 19:56:10 EST from darknetuser

IMO for home systems it is more important to get hardware that has features than hardware that has raw horsepower.

 



[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 14:29:03 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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And a topic for another room, but its interesting how we all chose
our machine names.. ( unless you are boring and use serial number or
something )

Might as well go with this room because it was originally set up during the DSL buildout of the early 2000's when it was an interesting topic what was available and what was happening. I figure we can talk about home networking in general.

Back when I had a basement full of machines, they were all named after mythical animals. `pegasus` was always my primary desktop, and still is.

[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 15:13:26 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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And I forgot to look at one more thing: pegasus also has a spinny disk on which I store backups. So I ran the benchmark on that disk as well.

File operations: 29.02 reads/s, 19.35 writes/s, 71.69 fsyncs/s
Throughput: 0.45 MiB/s, 0.30 MiB/s

So it's marginally better than the big server, but the server is running software RAID10 so that explains the small difference.

This is fun. Now I know I can optimize for low power consumption. SSD consumes less power anyway, and even a cheap SSD blows away spinny disks.

I really, really, really want to find hardware that can run on 12 volts.
My network is already set up so that all the critical parts run on a 12 volt supply with battery backup, and it would be nice to do that with the servers.

[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 15:18:06 UTC from nonservator

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I don't have a naming scheme, everything is named on the fly with whatever seems appropriate.



[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 16:00:15 UTC from Nurb432

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While im not fond of them as they are overpriced for what they are, there are are a few x86 ( both intel and amd ) SBCs out there. But dont expect them to be speed demons either.    And instead of getting cases, could build a small rack for them.

Thu Jan 11 2024 10:13:26 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

I really, really, really want to find hardware that can run on 12 volts.

 



[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 16:12:40 UTC from Nurb432

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Oh and didnt think of it before i posted, but Bmax has mall NUCs that run on 12v ( i went and checked )

Not high end stuff unless you pay what i feel is silly prices and better spent elsewhere, but they come with eMMC to boot and a M.2 slot so would be good for storage arrays at least.  I got one to upgrade my old print server since my printer is basically windows only without a lot of trouble..  its the only bit of windows i allow in the house other than my VM on my shops laptop.  I know i can get a new printer, but i print so rarely i cant justify it.

I think i paid 75 bucks for this one, its a celeron N100 or something. has 6gb ram. More than enough to print with, but not much else.



[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 17:01:06 UTC from LadySerenaKitty

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My laptop is solid state.  PCIe3 NVMe.  One time I took all 40GB of my IRIX files and put them into a tar file.  No compression, the operation was done in 20 seconds.  40GB read, 40GB written, 20 seconds.  Would have taken a lot longer with SATA SSD, and I hate to imagine how long it would have taken on spinning metal.  NVMe is the way to go.  It faster than a cat with the zoomies.



[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 17:17:57 UTC from darknetuser

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Same for your incoming network line.. ( bringing it back to the room

topic :)  ) if all you want to do is stream a couple cat videos at

the same time and read mail.. dont need much. But if you want to do

hard core multi player games, you need bandwidth.  

Dunno. An ISP that does give you a public routable IP and doesn't force a lame ONT+Router combo on you is better than a CGNated ISP subscription behind an ONT-Router combo that overheats and needs reboot every 12 hours, and can't be bypassed, even if the latter gives you x100 the bandwidth.

Supposedly I am the sort of nerd that would need a tough bandwidth subscription because everytime my backup scripts trigger a full level 0 dump, they upload 6 Tb to storage. And that is only the workstation. I'd love to be able to upload over the Internet but at things stand, I have to use local storage and then physically move the storage server fom a location to another, lol.


By the way, I think that, for games, latency is more important than bandwidth.


[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 17:58:53 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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NVMe is obviously the fastest, but requires a machine with the M.2 slot.  Several of them, in fact, to do a reliable cluster.

As far as power, a little searching reveals that there is something called a "PicoPSU" that snaps right into an ATX motherboard.  It looks like this:

12 volts in, motherboard voltages out, plus power for a couple of SATA devices.  I'll bet I could snag a set of cheapo mini-ITX motherboards and use PicoPSU modules to run them off a single 12 volt power bus.

Next test will be to see how the various types of storage perform over a 1 Gbps network.  No point in doing clustered storage if the network becomes a bottleneck.



[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 20:08:19 UTC from Nurb432

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Agreed, if your machine supports it. 

Personally i have not tried any of those nvme to sata adapters. Might be faster than regular ssd, i donno if the bandwidth is there to see a difference.   But either way, ya, ssd is better than moving parts by a long shot..

Thu Jan 11 2024 12:01:06 EST from LadySerenaKitty

My laptop is solid state.  PCIe3 NVMe.  One time I took all 40GB of my IRIX files and put them into a tar file.  No compression, the operation was done in 20 seconds.  40GB read, 40GB written, 20 seconds.  Would have taken a lot longer with SATA SSD, and I hate to imagine how long it would have taken on spinning metal.  NVMe is the way to go.  It faster than a cat with the zoomies.



 



[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 20:12:52 UTC from Nurb432

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Mine does, but they charge you like 5 bucks a month extra.  I found out the hard way. Comcast didnt, and each IP was routable, tho it was DHCP so did change like once a year or so. I read the stuff on the fiber people, it was not mentioned.  Until it didnt work.. called up, "i cant, is it because" .. "oh, you have to order this extra feature..."  really? why didnt you tell this up front? Id still have switched but not been frustrated when things broke ... But its static at least. 

Ya a router that gets pissed off every so often, would suck. and suck bad.     Tried taking the case off and sticking a big ass fan on it?

Thu Jan 11 2024 12:17:57 EST from darknetuser

Dunno. An ISP that does give you a public routable IP and doesn't force a lame ONT+Router combo on you is better than a CGNated ISP subscription behind an ONT-Router combo that overheats and needs reboot every 12 hours, and can't be bypassed, even if the latter gives you x100 the bandwidth.

Supposedly I am the sort of nerd that would need a tough bandwidth subscription because everytime my backup scripts trigger a full level 0 dump, they upload 6 Tb to storage. And that is only the workstation. I'd love to be able to upload over the Internet but at things stand, I have to use local storage and then physically move the storage server fom a location to another, lol.


By the way, I think that, for games, latency is more important than bandwidth.

 



[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 20:14:22 UTC from Nurb432

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I tried that once, but didnt provide enough power for my board. Went with something a bit bigger. Sort of the size of 2 M.2 cards back to back in length, like a long thin strip. 

Thu Jan 11 2024 12:58:53 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

 

As far as power, a little searching reveals that there is something called a "PicoPSU" that snaps right into an ATX motherboard.  It looks like this:

 

 



[#] Thu Jan 11 2024 20:15:44 UTC from Nurb432

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adapters do exist. but like i was saying i dont know about bandwidth, if its worth the effort.  Been tempted to try one just to see, but i have a pile of SSD which do the job.. 

Thu Jan 11 2024 12:58:53 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

NVMe is obviously the fastest, but requires a machine with the M.2 slot.  Several of them, in fact, to do a reliable cluster.

 

 



[#] Fri Jan 12 2024 05:07:08 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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M.2/NVMe is electrically just PCIe, so the carrier boards that provide a couple of slots are just pass-through adapters. I am looking at all possibilities.
There are some micro-mini PCs that have two M.2 slots (HP makes one) and there might be some with dual 2.5" slots.

RAM could be an issue, too. My current servers have 32 GB each. I am running both virtual machines and containers. Here are some interesting facts:

* www.citadel.org + uncensored.citadel.org + the router VM all together consume less than 8 GB
* code.citadel.org (gitlab) takes almost 15 GB all by itself. OINK!

Yeah. I might axe GitLab because it's a freaking pig and I'm not using much of its functionality.

...

I guess I want it all, and I don't want to pay for it. :)

Perhaps instead of a cluster I should just buy one mini, stuff it with memory and disk, and consider my main rig to be the backup machine.

[#] Fri Jan 12 2024 10:30:23 UTC from darknetuser

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Ya a router that gets pissed off every so often, would suck. and suck

bad.     Tried taking the case off and sticking a big ass fan on

it?

No, because the router belonged to the ISP and I wasn't the customer myself.


My worst story with ISP plans that have lots of nominal horsepower but then have lame qualitative features involves a small business I was setting stuff for. The ISP was one of these cheapo virtual operators that give you an ONT+Router combo for your premises. The firmware in the router was consumer-grade despite coming with a business subscription.

Long story short, I set firewalling on the router. Since I didn't trust it much, I set a DMZ and isolated most LAN clients behind a different firewall. The ISP one day felt like rolling out Ipv6 support to their routers, and they upgraded the firmware with their remote management systems. In the process, they reset the router configuration, blasting away the forwarding tables (and therefore taking the servers offline). The router also enabled ipv6 support with no firewalling at the ipv6 level, meaning any LAN machine that was not behind a paranoid firewall of mine was left Internet reachable. Thankfully, me being Captain Paranoia, ipv6 was disabled on most systems from the get go.

Also, the router had a tendency to choke when forwarding traffic close to 80% of the nominal pipe capacity.

Boss was quite unhappy, so it was easy for me to convince him to switch to another provider.

[#] Fri Jan 12 2024 10:33:30 UTC from darknetuser

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RAM could be an issue, too. My current servers have 32 GB each. I am

running both virtual machines and containers. Here are some
interesting facts:

* www.citadel.org + uncensored.citadel.org + the router VM all
together consume less than 8 GB
* code.citadel.org (gitlab) takes almost 15 GB all by itself. OINK!



It sounds like you could do with a second hand Dell PowerEdge and an extra RAM card.

What is your budget?

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