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[#] Fri Jan 15 2021 18:45:03 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Re: login

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On the Pi, open the browser, and try http://127.0.0.1 

Did you leave it on the default port (80?) 

If so, do you have Apache running and installed on the default port too? 

 

Fri Jan 15 2021 18:00:40 EST from w1kgk Subject: login

I type the address of 192.168.1.xxx  of the raspberry pi to get the citadel login page...no login page appears?

How do i get the login page to come up?



 



[#] Fri Jan 15 2021 23:43:38 EST from sethmhur

Subject: trying to configure nntp on private citadel server

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So as the subject says I'm trying to configure nntp access for my rooms on a private server how would I do this?



[#] Sat Jan 16 2021 13:47:42 EST from Syd

Subject: logging in

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Hi, If you wish to bad mouth me well OK

I have or think I have installed CITADEL but cannot find out how to log in.

Could someone kindly direct me to relevent information please or better still tell me how to

Cheers

Syd



[#] Sat Jan 16 2021 16:00:16 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: logging in

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I will badmouth you for posting your support request in the LOBBY instead of in the CITADEL SUPPORT room.

But to answer your question: connect your web browser to the port specified for WebCit during the setup process. The default username is "admin" and the default password is "citadel".

[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 12:15:09 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Just a heads up... yesterday and today, when I try to send a message, the editor kind of refreshes - you know, you can see the frame resizing and the raw HTML in it, then it comes back up in the editor, not looking like the message was sent. I go and check Sent Messages, and the message is not there - but I've gotten responses on ones I thought didn't send, so my guess is that they are sending. I can't describe it more technically than this. It looks like the message didn't send, but I get a response, so it must have. 

 



[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 12:25:04 EST from w1kgk

Subject: Re: login

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Yes  i changed the citadel to 8080.  apache2 comes up with 192.168.1.50 and also 127.0.01!!

How do i get past the apache2 to citadel....sorry really new to this!!!

 

Kevin



[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 12:48:03 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Re: login

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I probably thought of this so quickly because I'm not super good at this, myself. 

Type in http://127.0.0.1:8080

or http://192.168.1.50:8080

Both should open at your Citadel screen. 

 

Sun Jan 17 2021 12:25:04 EST from w1kgk Subject: Re: login

Yes  i changed the citadel to 8080.  apache2 comes up with 192.168.1.50 and also 127.0.01!!

How do i get past the apache2 to citadel....sorry really new to this!!!

 

Kevin



 



[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 13:13:41 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Is there a way to send a systemwide page to all logged in users without restarting? 

Also: 

When trying to restart with page all users, I get: 

Message to your Users:

 

didn't find Template [box_serverrestartpage] 21 21


[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 15:52:48 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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So... 

In order to change my default port for https from 4916 to 443... 

Do I... 

run /etc/webcit ./setup and change it there to 443 

then change the redirects from lobby at /etc/systemd/system/webcit-https.service from p4916 to p443 

I've done this on my test system, and after restarting citadel, rebooting the entire machine, it no longer redirects on connect from lobby the the welcome room. 

I am connecting to https://127.0.0.1 

Is there something I'm missing? 

Warbaby was right - it does fix the broken SSL messages in my logs - and seems to speed up the response time of the Citadel - at least, when connecting to localhost. 

 



[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 16:11:06 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Something is definitely wrong.

Jan 17 14:10:49 secure webcit[3500]: Attempting to bind to port 443...
Jan 17 14:10:49 secure webcit[3500]: Can't bind: Address already in use

 

Sun Jan 17 2021 15:52:48 EST from ParanoidDelusions

So... 

In order to change my default port for https from 4916 to 443... 

Do I... 

run /etc/webcit ./setup and change it there to 443 

then change the redirects from lobby at /etc/systemd/system/webcit-https.service from p4916 to p443 

I've done this on my test system, and after restarting citadel, rebooting the entire machine, it no longer redirects on connect from lobby the the welcome room. 

I am connecting to https://127.0.0.1 

Is there something I'm missing? 

Warbaby was right - it does fix the broken SSL messages in my logs - and seems to speed up the response time of the Citadel - at least, when connecting to localhost. 

 



 



[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 19:09:22 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Change SSL Port in Webcit (Was:PD Forgot a subject again)

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I'll post my ramblings on it somewhere else - but I got it sorted. 

Sun Jan 17 2021 16:11:06 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Something is definitely wrong.

Jan 17 14:10:49 secure webcit[3500]: Attempting to bind to port 443...
Jan 17 14:10:49 secure webcit[3500]: Can't bind: Address already in use

 

 

 



 



 



[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 20:38:07 EST from warbaby

Subject: Webcit & ports..

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WEBCIT/EASYINSTALL

root@mail:/etc# ag -i webcit
systemd/system/webcit-https.service
5:ExecStart=/usr/local/webcit/webcit -s -p2001 uds /usr/local/citadel

systemd/system/webcit-http.service
5:ExecStart=/usr/local/webcit/webcit -p8080 uds /usr/local/citadel
root@ellen:/etc#

OR, there are some older init scripts in /etc/init.d/webcit # if you have a package version..

You'll have to hack the files right there.. if it's in systemd, just cp or mv to some safe place, before you mess with them.. 

cp /etc/systemd/system/webcit-http ~/webcit-backup # etc.. or

cp webcit-http webcit-http.dist # something like that..

If you're using NGINX for Proxy pass, webcit is still running on a port somewhere, but NOT 80/443! .. just think your way through it..

use 'netstat -lnp' see what is running on which port..

ParanoidDelusions, remember if you want to do the Start Page, you have to add the URL to the startup line.. [I forget the exact syntax, but you should have it.. You had it setup in the past.]



[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 22:09:14 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Re: Webcit & ports..

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Thank you for the response. 

Not really familiar with ack/ag - but it looks like the lines you provided below uses ag to search for "webcit" finds the systemd/system webcit-https.service and then shows you what line the port numbers for webcit are defined on in that config file, right? 

ack/ag are not installed as default tools on either Debian or Raspbian. 

The syntax I have in webcit-https.service is
 
ExecStart=/usr/local/webcit/webcit -s -p443 -g/dotgoto?room=hello uds /usr/local/citadel

Is changing the "-pXXX" in webcit.http(s).service *setting* the port for webcit, or just defining what port webcit is listening on? That may have been my confusion. I may have set up webcit by running ./setup in the webcit directory and then went in and manually edited the file in systemd/system. 

Debian and Raspbian use some new scheme to configure network interfaces, ip address, DNS addresses and related settings. It isn't "if up" and "if down" anymore. I'm not real comfortable with the new scheme - but, netstat is depreciated under the new method - not installed by default, and I ran into some obstacle with installing it along the new tools last time I tried.

I did manage to evidently get it sorted so that it isn't throwing up bind errors and the landing page is working once again. I did it the Windows admin way - shutting down hard then powering back up. Not sure what that would have fixed that a reboot didn't - but it started working right after that.   

Sun Jan 17 2021 20:38:07 EST from warbaby Subject: Webcit & ports..

WEBCIT/EASYINSTALL

root@mail:/etc# ag -i webcit
systemd/system/webcit-https.service
5:ExecStart=/usr/local/webcit/webcit -s -p2001 uds /usr/local/citadel

systemd/system/webcit-http.service
5:ExecStart=/usr/local/webcit/webcit -p8080 uds /usr/local/citadel
root@ellen:/etc#

OR, there are some older init scripts in /etc/init.d/webcit # if you have a package version..

You'll have to hack the files right there.. if it's in systemd, just cp or mv to some safe place, before you mess with them.. 

cp /etc/systemd/system/webcit-http ~/webcit-backup # etc.. or

cp webcit-http webcit-http.dist # something like that..

If you're using NGINX for Proxy pass, webcit is still running on a port somewhere, but NOT 80/443! .. just think your way through it..

use 'netstat -lnp' see what is running on which port..

ParanoidDelusions, remember if you want to do the Start Page, you have to add the URL to the startup line.. [I forget the exact syntax, but you should have it.. You had it setup in the past.]



 



[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 22:46:44 EST from warbaby

Subject: Re: Webcit & ports..

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For the sake of argument, 'ag' is synonymous with 'grep' .. [But many times faster, and 2 letters shorter, so I highly recommend apt-get install silversearcher-ag]

[Also, I know the stupid thing Debian did about changing the default interfaces from eth0 etc.. to the literal, unpredictable device name, stupid, but probably not the cause of any actual problem with cit/webcit.. also, the nonsense with /run that broke all kinds of programs... ]

> Is changing the "-pXXX" in webcit.http(s).service *setting* the port for webcit, or just defining what port webcit is listening on?

Yes, it runs on the port that you specify when you launch it, it's not in the database or a config file or anything like that.

These are the files that systemd uses to stop, start and restart a service.

webcit-http.service

webcit-https.service

If you want to hack the ports manually by editing the files.. first stop the service..

service webcit-https stop

[make a backup copy, edit webcit-https.service, change ports alter command line, log level, start page, etc.. ]

service webcit-https start

you should be good to go without rebooting...

netstat is an important tool, regardless of their "feelings" about it, just install it from the packages..

Also, thank you for your work and contributions here in the support room.

 

Sun Jan 17 2021 10:09:14 PM EST from ParanoidDelusions Subject: Re: Webcit & ports..

Thank you for the response. 

Not really familiar with ack/ag - but it looks like the lines you provided below uses ag to search for "webcit" finds the systemd/system webcit-https.service and then shows you what line the port numbers for webcit are defined on in that config file, right? 

ack/ag are not installed as default tools on either Debian or Raspbian. 

The syntax I have in webcit-https.service is
 
ExecStart=/usr/local/webcit/webcit -s -p443 -g/dotgoto?room=hello uds /usr/local/citadel

Is changing the "-pXXX" in webcit.http(s).service *setting* the port for webcit, or just defining what port webcit is listening on? That may have been my confusion. I may have set up webcit by running ./setup in the webcit directory and then went in and manually edited the file in systemd/system. 

Debian and Raspbian use some new scheme to configure network interfaces, ip address, DNS addresses and related settings. It isn't "if up" and "if down" anymore. I'm not real comfortable with the new scheme - but, netstat is depreciated under the new method - not installed by default, and I ran into some obstacle with installing it along the new tools last time I tried.

I did manage to evidently get it sorted so that it isn't throwing up bind errors and the landing page is working once again. I did it the Windows admin way - shutting down hard then powering back up. Not sure what that would have fixed that a reboot didn't - but it started working right after that.   

Sun Jan 17 2021 20:38:07 EST from warbaby Subject: Webcit & ports..

WEBCIT/EASYINSTALL

root@mail:/etc# ag -i webcit
systemd/system/webcit-https.service
5:ExecStart=/usr/local/webcit/webcit -s -p2001 uds /usr/local/citadel

systemd/system/webcit-http.service
5:ExecStart=/usr/local/webcit/webcit -p8080 uds /usr/local/citadel
root@ellen:/etc#

OR, there are some older init scripts in /etc/init.d/webcit # if you have a package version..

You'll have to hack the files right there.. if it's in systemd, just cp or mv to some safe place, before you mess with them.. 

cp /etc/systemd/system/webcit-http ~/webcit-backup # etc.. or

cp webcit-http webcit-http.dist # something like that..

If you're using NGINX for Proxy pass, webcit is still running on a port somewhere, but NOT 80/443! .. just think your way through it..

use 'netstat -lnp' see what is running on which port..

ParanoidDelusions, remember if you want to do the Start Page, you have to add the URL to the startup line.. [I forget the exact syntax, but you should have it.. You had it setup in the past.]



 



 



[#] Sun Jan 17 2021 23:36:32 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Re: Webcit & ports..

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Thank you, again. This really helps clarify what is going on with this for me. It makes a lot more sense. 

And thanks for your patience with me as I figure out how to behave here. I know I'm sometimes more disruption than I'm worth, but I very rarely realize it when I'm in the middle of spinning around wildly in the middle of the china shop... :) 

I was just reading up on AG and was about to install it - but decided I'll give it a go on my test machine first, tomorrow. I'll do the same for netstat. 

Sun Jan 17 2021 22:46:44 EST from warbaby Subject: Re: Webcit & ports..

For the sake of argument, 'ag' is synonymous with 'grep' .. [But many times faster, and 2 letters shorter, so I highly recommend apt-get install silversearcher-ag]

 

netstat is an important tool, regardless of their "feelings" about it, just install it from the packages..

Also, thank you for your work and contributions here in the support room.

 

 


[#] Tue Jan 19 2021 16:40:30 EST from markus

Subject: How to address citadel server by caldav and carddav clients

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Hi all,

could somebody tell me how cardav and caldav clients should correctly address a citadel server?

Thanks in advance.



[#] Tue Jan 19 2021 17:01:05 EST from markus

Subject: How to configure citadel leaving the copy of a sent email untouched?

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Hello all,

 

when ciitadel delivers an email it places a copy of the email in the sent-items-folder. Not an exact copy, because it adds the from-address as second to-address to the copy. How can I configure citadel leaving the header untouched?

I asked the question a couple of days back but I got no answer. So I hope this time somebody has already solved the problem and can kindly tell me how :-)  In case the solution is described in any citadel document I would be glad to know where.

Thanks in advance!

 

Markus



[#] Tue Jan 19 2021 17:47:56 EST from markus

Subject: How to address smart hosts in citadel?

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Hello all again,

could anybody tell me how smart host should be addressed in citadel (please be as precise as possible)?

Thanks in advance

Markus

 



[#] Wed Jan 20 2021 13:23:34 EST from markus

Subject: Is there a routine anchoring citadel to start on system boot?

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Dear citadel user,

Is there any setup routine that could anchor citadel as a service that starts on system boot? I'm asking because webcit starts as a service on system boot and webcit on it's own makes no sense. So I would expect that such a routine exist.

Thanks in advance and have nice day,

Markus

 



[#] Wed Jan 20 2021 13:50:37 EST from s3cr3to to Citadel_Support <room_Citadel_Support@uncensored.citadel.org>

Subject: Re: Is there a routine anchoring citadel to start on system boot?

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I use this two scripts for /etc/init.d in debian (old)

You can use these scripts (maybe not), or someone with more knowledge
knows how to adapt it to your system.

As always, don't trust everything someone sends you, check the code of
these scripts.

Regards

(Kudos to the original author Wilfried Goesgens)


On 1/20/21 11:23 AM, markus wrote:
Dear citadel user,

Is there any setup routine that could anchor citadel as a service that
starts on system boot? I'm asking because webcit starts as a service on
system boot and webcit on it's own makes no sense. So I would expect
that such a routine exist.

Thanks in advance and have nice day,

Markus

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