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[#] Mon Nov 30 2020 15:17:04 EST from warbaby

Subject: Re: Hello, I'm "Whoever" - was Re: Does Migration src and dest need...

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First thing: I'll take whatever documentation you have on PI installation.  We're working on all documentation right now..

[txt or preferably markdown would be nice, but html will work if it's clean..]

Regarding the build process...

A few things (regarding compiling) on the website may be out of date, there are also various pages which did not migrate, and which I'm still pulling out of the Wayback Machine (Internet Archive)..

That's why I made the (unofficial) additions to easyinstall.sh

easyinstall as it is will download, compile and then delete all sources.. but with variation (the -k option,) it does not .. it retains everything! ..

all source is left in /usr/src/citadel-build-xxxx

[it's so easy.. ]

it's already configured..

all you have to do is

[clickety clacketly.. edit some files..]

make upgrade

make install

It's much easier than figuring out all the paths and configuration options by hand/brain.

[The actual documentation says "see easyinstall for all configuration options.. "   I just took it one step further, and let easyinstall configure everything for you.]

 

Mon Nov 30 2020 01:06:57 PM EST from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Hello, I'm "Whoever" - was Re: Does Migration src and dest need...

Well, that was probably what I was doing. I thought you downloaded the source, executed ./configure, make and then make upgrade 

Not sure if I misread the instructions on citadel.org - of if they're unclear/out of order. I'll doublecheck when I get home. 

I have written up some documentation on installing Citadel on the Pi. I've got a pretty good test environment now. Once I get everything migrated and the Proxmox running on the public network - I can generate some "Howto" documents that include screenshots and are a little more "inexperienced user" oriented. I think that may help reduce the number of questions that the developers see here. 




Mon Nov 30 2020 10:25:10 EST from warbaby @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Hello, I'm "Whoever" - was Re: Does Migration src and dest need...

No worries, no need for explanations.. I'm just hoping to improve our documentation.

If you used the -k (keep source) version of easyinstall.. and your source is in somthing like

/usr/src/citadel-build-xxx

and then you make some changes..

you want to run

make upgrade

instead of just make.

then

make install

 

 


 



[#] Mon Nov 30 2020 23:55:59 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Re: Hello, I'm "Whoever" - was Re: Does Migration src and dest need...

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So... if I seemed quiet tonight, it is because I've been fighting with Raspbian and Debian all night. So, the first thing I did was give up on Proxmox -  for now. I've got a second machine I'm going to go back and test it on and see if I can get it working, once I get over this hurdle. Installed Debian on bare metal. But the Debian box on the same network as the Raspbian Pi. Ctdlmigrate moved over rooms and apparently users - but failed on messages. It seemed to run, then the spinner stalled - and if I looked at dmesg it said that housekeeping wasn't running. Syslog has this in it: 

 

root@tsbbs:/home/donovan# Nov 30 19:09:19 tsbbs citserver[2587]: Out-of-sequence tag <u_flags> detected.  Warning: ODD-DATA!

bash: u_flags: No such file or directory

root@tsbbs:/home/donovan# Nov 30 19:09:19 tsbbs citserver[2587]: Out-of-sequence tag <u_flags> detected.  Warning: ODD-DATA!

bash: u_flags: No such file or directory

root@tsbbs:/home/donovan# Nov 30 19:09:19 tsbbs citserver[2587]: Out-of-sequence tag <u_timescalled> detected.  Warning: ODD-DATA!

bash: u_timescalled: No such file or directory

root@tsbbs:/home/donovan# Nov 30 19:09:19 tsbbs citserver[2587]: Out-of-sequence tag <u_timescalled> detected.  Warning: ODD-DATA!

bash: u_timescalled: No such file or directory

root@tsbbs:/home/donovan# Nov 30 19:09:19 tsbbs citserver[2587]: Out-of-sequence tag <u_posted> detected.  Warning: ODD-DATA!

bash: u_posted: No such file or directory

root@tsbbs:/home/donovan# Nov 30 19:09:19 tsbbs citserver[2587]: Out-of-sequence tag <u_posted> detected.  Warning: ODD-DATA!

bash: u_posted: No such file or directory

root@tsbbs:/home/donovan# Nov 30 19:09:19 tsbbs citserver[2587]: Out-of-sequence tag <u_axlevel> detected.  Warning: ODD-DATA!

bash: u_axlevel: No such file or directory

root@tsbbs:/home/donovan# Nov 30 19:09:19 tsbbs citserver[2587]: Out-of-sequence tag <u_axlevel> detected.  Warning: ODD-DATA!

 


So then I tried the alternate method described above. Same results. No love. It might be that the first attempts hosed Citadel on the target? 

I don't know. The Debian box is all effed up at this point. I'll probably blow it all out and try again. The Raspbian system is still working fine. 

The doc is a .docx word document - with pretty pictures. Very user friendly - but it isn't up to date. I'll upload it here. 


Mon Nov 30 2020 15:17:04 EST from warbaby @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Hello, I'm "Whoever" - was Re: Does Migration src and dest need...

First thing: I'll take whatever documentation you have on PI installation.  We're working on all documentation right now..

[txt or preferably markdown would be nice, but html will work if it's clean..]

Regarding the build process...

A few things (regarding compiling) on the website may be out of date, there are also various pages which did not migrate, and which I'm still pulling out of the Wayback Machine (Internet Archive)..

That's why I made the (unofficial) additions to easyinstall.sh

easyinstall as it is will download, compile and then delete all sources.. but with variation (the -k option,) it does not .. it retains everything! ..

all source is left in /usr/src/citadel-build-xxxx

[it's so easy.. ]

it's already configured..

all you have to do is

[clickety clacketly.. edit some files..]

make upgrade

make install

It's much easier than figuring out all the paths and configuration options by hand/brain.

[The actual documentation says "see easyinstall for all configuration options.. "   I just took it one step further, and let easyinstall configure everything for you.]

 




[#] Tue Dec 01 2020 00:11:17 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Uploaded the file. I don't see it in the directory. If it didn't make it, let me know, and I'll upload it again. 

 



[#] Tue Dec 01 2020 10:14:44 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Tried a migration again today on a clean bare metal build of Debian 10. Same issue - rooms and users import fine. Messages fail:

Log results:

Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: The Buttdart Cafe
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: The Dragon's Den
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: The Dragon's Den
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: TheSanitarium
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: TheSanitarium
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trashcan
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trashcan
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trump Reddit
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trump Reddit
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(278, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1100, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1490, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1491, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(278, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1100, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1490, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1491, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1484, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1484, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1496, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1496, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:08 tsbbs PackageKit: daemon quit
Dec  1 07:29:08 tsbbs systemd[1]: packagekit.service: Main process exited, code=killed, status=15/TERM
Dec  1 07:29:08 tsbbs systemd[1]: packagekit.service: Succeeded.
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(RetroGaming Feeds)
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(Reddit MiSTer rss)
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(RetroGaming Feeds)
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(Reddit MiSTer rss)
Dec  1 07:30:01 tsbbs CRON[5511]: (root) CMD ([ -x /etc/init.d/anacron ] && if [ ! -d /run/systemd/system ]; th
en /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null; fi)



[#] Tue Dec 01 2020 10:36:15 EST from warbaby

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> I promise to use the subject line going forward when I request help.

Tue Dec 01 2020 10:14:44 AM EST from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

Tried a migration again today on a clean bare metal build of Debian 10. Same issue - rooms and users import fine. Messages fail:

Log results:

Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: The Buttdart Cafe
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: The Dragon's Den
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: The Dragon's Den
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: TheSanitarium
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: TheSanitarium
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trashcan
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trashcan
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trump Reddit
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trump Reddit
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(278, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1100, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1490, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1491, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(278, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1100, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1490, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1491, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1484, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1484, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1496, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1496, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:08 tsbbs PackageKit: daemon quit
Dec  1 07:29:08 tsbbs systemd[1]: packagekit.service: Main process exited, code=killed, status=15/TERM
Dec  1 07:29:08 tsbbs systemd[1]: packagekit.service: Succeeded.
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(RetroGaming Feeds)
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(Reddit MiSTer rss)
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(RetroGaming Feeds)
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(Reddit MiSTer rss)
Dec  1 07:30:01 tsbbs CRON[5511]: (root) CMD ([ -x /etc/init.d/anacron ] && if [ ! -d /run/systemd/system ]; th
en /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null; fi)



 



[#] Tue Dec 01 2020 12:13:56 EST from platonov

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Re: posting articles without Subject headers

If you consider than some users view messages in Mail Folder format to avoid seeing all sorts of stuff they are not interested in, then things might get clearer.

It is like looking at a news stream. Just looking at most Subject lines is enough. In a recent study they have determined that vast amounts of articles are viewed not further than the Subject line.

Tue Dec 01 2020 10:36:15 EST from warbaby @ Uncensored

> I promise to use the subject line going forward when I request help.

Tue Dec 01 2020 10:14:44 AM EST from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored

Tried a migration again today on a clean bare metal build of Debian 10. Same issue - rooms and users import fine. Messages fail:

Log results:

Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: The Buttdart Cafe
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: The Dragon's Den
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: The Dragon's Den
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: TheSanitarium
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: TheSanitarium
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trashcan
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trashcan
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trump Reddit
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: Imported room: Trump Reddit
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(278, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1100, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1490, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1491, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(278, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1100, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1490, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:03 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1491, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1484, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1484, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1496, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:04 tsbbs citserver[3834]: msgbase: CtdlFetchMessage(1496, 0) Failed!
Dec  1 07:29:08 tsbbs PackageKit: daemon quit
Dec  1 07:29:08 tsbbs systemd[1]: packagekit.service: Main process exited, code=killed, status=15/TERM
Dec  1 07:29:08 tsbbs systemd[1]: packagekit.service: Succeeded.
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(RetroGaming Feeds)
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(Reddit MiSTer rss)
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(RetroGaming Feeds)
Dec  1 07:29:51 tsbbs citserver[3834]: netspool: InspectQueuedRoom(Reddit MiSTer rss)
Dec  1 07:30:01 tsbbs CRON[5511]: (root) CMD ([ -x /etc/init.d/anacron ] && if [ ! -d /run/systemd/system ]; th
en /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null; fi)



 



 



[#] Tue Dec 01 2020 12:22:33 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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[#] Tue Dec 01 2020 12:28:48 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Whoops. Bad habits are hard to break. 



It would be nice if you could go back in and edit your posts. I'd fix it. 

 



[#] Tue Dec 01 2020 12:47:54 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Easy-Install execution initialization fail with Debian 10

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So, this is relatively minor, but this: 

Log on to your Linux system as root and enter the following command at the prompt:

curl http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | bash

Or if you don't have curl, try wget:

wget -q -O - http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | bash

 

Easy Install will automatically initialize.

 

Isn't working in my experience with Deb 10  - and adding https: to the URL doesn't fix it. 

After I enter this line, I have to then run "bash ./install" to get the install to actually kick off. That works - but on Debian, it seems to be failing to bind ports for IMAP, POP3, SMTP and HTTPS. I can only connect on HTTP once it installs and starts. I can post messages, add attachments - the WebCit seems to be running fine. 


I don't think the text client server is installing at all though. Haven't really gotten far enough to test or worry about that yet. On my Raspbian box, I had to download, compile, install and configure the text client part separately, way back when I built my current "production" Citadel server.  

 

I do have the default desktop GUI installed and running but I'm using a full console (ctrl-alt-F1) and logged in as SU in the console. 




[#] Tue Dec 01 2020 12:50:10 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Re: Easy-Install execution initialization fail with Debian 10

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[#] Tue Dec 01 2020 13:01:55 EST from platonov

Subject: Re: This message can safely be disregarded. Or not?

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Well, talking about "bad habits", I've been struggling with this html/css issue on fixed nav bars
and can not find any info on how to do it.
The problem is that when you click on some link expecting to jump to some header,
it does it as though you didn't have the nav-bar obscuring the header.
In other words the nav bar is covering your header in z order.

I hope it can be done without using js.

Does anybody have a clue on how to do it or where to look for?

 

Tue Dec 01 2020 12:28:48 EST from ParanoidDelusions @ Uncensored Subject: This message can safely be disregarded.

Whoops. Bad habits are hard to break.