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[#] Sun Dec 01 2019 17:44:54 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Cloud native Citadel?

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Does it mean that Citadel will stop being installable in local
servers (either virtual or bare metal) and instead we'll need a
docker account to run Citadel now as an internet service?

Rest assured we will continue to distribute the Citadel system as a standalone suite of software. Easy Install will continue to exist, and the source distribution will always be available.

Docker will provide another method to install the software. If the uptake is good, it may even become the preferred way to install the software. It would be nice if you could just fetch the docker image onto your own server (physical or virtual) and run a well-tested build that is guaranteed to not conflict with anything else on the system. By "cloud native" we mean that it can *also* be launched directly via any hosting provider that offers a Docker hosting service such as Kubernetes.

What I *would* like Docker to replace, is the distribution-specific packages such as .deb and .rpm. Those tend to get out of date quickly, and it is frustrating to work with bug reports from users who have no access to the latest versions.

[#] Sun Dec 01 2019 19:02:05 EST from userT @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] citadel submit issues organization?

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Sun Dec 01 2019 17:38:29 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Ok great! The big opportunity to help right now is in updating the web site.

Answered in the Development room.

Also willing to test new builds when available. Long live Webcit-ng!



[#] Sun Dec 01 2019 19:25:58 EST from "me" <me@scifidan.com> to room_Citadel_Support@citadel.org

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] citadel submit issues organization?

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Yeah, certainly. I'll be glad to assist.

On 12/1/19 2:38 PM, IGnatius T Foobar wrote:
If this is something that you would be interested in helping with, let me
know and I'll create an account for you on the web server with access to that
site.

[#] Mon Dec 02 2019 04:53:46 EST from bmetallica @ Uncensored

Subject: 2 smarthosts

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Hello everybody, my Citadel is working now.

But I have the following problem. In the old version it was possible to use 2 smarthosts for different domains: "username:password@host:port sender-address".

That does not seem to work anymore in the new version.

Is there a solution for this?



[#] Wed Dec 04 2019 03:50:04 EST from Ludwig @ Uncensored

Subject: install loop

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I am trying to install Citadel on my RPI3, but the installation halts in a loop at this message:

<Server port number:>

Specify the TCP port number on which your server will run.
Normally, this will be port 504, which is the official port
assigned by the IANA for Citadel servers.  You will only need
to specify a different port number if you run multiple instances
of Citadel on the same computer and there is something else
already using port 504.

This is currently set to:
########################################################################
Enter new value or press return to leave unchanged:

 

This message is repeated over and over again. I have tried to keep it simple by starting with a fresh Debian "Buster" for RPI that I have enabled SSH and updated with apt-get install and apt-get upgrade.

Then I followed the instructions on this site: http://citadel.org/doku.php?id=installation:easyinstall:prereq-debian.html

apt-get update
apt-get install build-essential curl g++ gettext shared-mime-info libssl-dev zlib1g-dev
curl http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | bash


And when using wget -q -O - http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | sh according to: http://citadel.org/doku.php?id=installation:easyinstall:easyinstall
I get:

 Easy Install does not yet know how to do this on your operating system.
Citadel Easy Install is aborting.
The last few lines above this message may indicate what went wrong.
Linux Debian 10.2( 4.19.75-v7+ armv7l)


Does this mean I cannot install Citadel on my PI?

All suggestions are welcome. Please be detailed as I am a novis when it comes to Linux.

 



[#] Wed Dec 04 2019 21:44:51 EST from oneflatfoot @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: install loop

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I just had the same thing happen to me on Ubuntu 19.10. Help would be much appreciated.



[#] Thu Dec 05 2019 03:14:42 EST from iMav @ Uncensored

Subject: Signing up for networked rooms

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How do we go about getting set up with pulling in some existing networked rooms?



[#] Thu Dec 05 2019 09:21:44 EST from vmajor @ Uncensored

Subject: SMTP not sending messages

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Hi,

I have a recent new issue with citadel refusing to send SMTP messages created by one of my Wordpress instances. I can send emails submitted from Thunderbird, but not from Wordpress using the Easy WP SMTP plugin.

 

This is what the outbound SMTP queue looks like after several test messages:

 

Message ID Date/time submitted Next attempt Sender Recipients
(Delete)
219268
6:41 Dec 31 1969 info@velocite-server
victor.major@gmail.com    
(Delete)
219352
7:40 Dec 31 1969 info@velocite-server
victor.major@gmail.com    
(Delete)
219356
7:42 Dec 31 1969 info@velocite-server
victor.major@gmail.com  

The odd thing is the "Next attempt" date which is the last day before the beginning of time, and long in the past.

Why is this happening and how can I make Citadel not do this and send my emails instead?

My guess is that because my WP instance is set to a TZ ahead of the Citadel server's TZ, Citadel is receiving SMTP request from the future and is deciding to troll me.

Can anyone help?

 

V.



[#] Thu Dec 05 2019 10:37:57 EST from majorv @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: SMTP not sending messages

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I managed to forget my password (relied on password manager which did not manage it) so I needed to create another account instead of edit my original post:

I am running Citadel 911 with WebCit 904, server build 911. When I try to manually process items in the queue I get this popup message: "Unrecognized or unsupported command"



[#] Fri Dec 06 2019 03:01:52 EST from iMav @ Uncensored

Subject: Peering with someone to pull in some network rooms...

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Who can I speak with to set up a peering relationship so I can participate in some of the networked rooms?  (I have done this in the past...SEVERAL years ago now.)



[#] Sat Dec 07 2019 02:59:07 EST from iMav @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Peering with someone to pull in some network rooms...

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Fri Dec 06 2019 03:01:52 EST from iMav @ Uncensored Subject: Peering with someone to pull in some network rooms...

Who can I speak with to set up a peering relationship so I can participate in some of the networked rooms?  (I have done this in the past...SEVERAL years ago now.)



 

So, is Inter Citadel Networking dead?  Oof, that's the primary reason I came back to Citadel...



[#] Mon Dec 09 2019 09:35:19 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Peering with someone to pull in some network rooms...

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Citadel room sharing has been removed from the software -- for now. We are exploring a couple of different approaches that would put it back in a way that would allow us to participate in much larger networks. ActivityPub seems to be the front runner at this point, which would be interesting because then we become part of the 'Fediverse'.

[#] Fri Dec 13 2019 04:19:41 EST from ifykh @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel on Amazon AWS.

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Please someone tell me that Citadel install on Amazon AWS (ubuntu instance)???



[#] Mon Dec 16 2019 01:18:20 EST from rleddy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] citadel submit issues organization?

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Glad to find Citadel.

I just set it up on my website (which is one more start of the start). http://www.copious.world

I have been programming for so long!

I used to write in C, then in C++, LISP. Then in PHP and JavaScript. I started a CMS (at one point was a working demo)  Copious-CMS

The CMS was in PHP. It used a JS package called OAT (Open Ajax Toolkit) It was a web app that allows for taxonomy editing so that you could do about the same process as Drupal.
Only, most of the editing and rendering is on the client. I used TinyMCE and added a drop target plugin for interacting with the taxonomies.

I was sick of PHP, so I started talking up node.js. But, the CMS would really be better in C and C++. Perhaps team and time would help.  I have been caught up in other peoples projects for some time for everything from IoT embedded stuff, MOG servers, MQTT/BLE app stacks, D3 front ends, and so on and so forth.

Last summer, I was at Google. There I worked on a API micro-gateway in node.js in a maintenance role. I am now very aware of ways that you should not use node.js. (Some frustration was over how much inefficiency was being added to the existing inefficiency and how the security was getting mangled.)

I got so frustrated that I started looking into Luajit. Some were claiming that project was dead. But, now Lua Vela came out in Oct. Anyway, some small functionality testing, I could run scripted things about 30 time faster than the fastest node.js implementation, which used systems tricks. Lua ran about 1000 times faster than code extracted from the Google stack to do about the same thing.  So, it gets easy to start eyeing the micro-gateways out there as easy targets to pick off. But, how important is that API stuff as the web changes to pick up things like IPFS, super responsive in RAM DB's, functional/serverless programming,etc? A pass through OpenResty leaves one saying "good enough". But, unintentional CDN's will arise from distributed file systems and provide some limited community fostered functionality such as file sharing. But, what about something like a webcit endpoint as another node rider?

Anyway, I was looking at the webcit code. And, I get it. And, I understand that it is undergoing necessary change, perhaps to make it more maintainable

It is interesting that you would like to basically change the approach to how people use the web. (Same here.) But, what is your vision? It would be nice to have a chat about that.

I am interested in the CSS change. Because, I could use mobile rendering. This looks positive, and I would not mind trying out troublesome code on my site for a while.

I don't have a paying gig at the moment. So, obviously I could use some pointers to one. But, it might be nice to get a handle on this stack as well.

What sort of transformative things are taking place with citadel and webcit that will transform the web as we know it?

 

 



[#] Thu Dec 19 2019 17:22:30 EST from rleddy @ Uncensored

Subject: Curious - EMSCRIPTEN?

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Any attempt to just basically translate some of your webcit C into emscripten?

 



[#] Mon Dec 23 2019 10:19:03 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] citadel submit issues organization?

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Mon Dec 16 2019 01:18:20 AM EST from rleddy @ Uncensored Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] citadel submit issues organization?

Glad to find Citadel.

I just set it up on my website (which is one more start of the start). http://www.copious.world

I have been programming for so long!

I used to write in C, then in C++, LISP. Then in PHP and JavaScript. I started a CMS (at one point was a working demo)  Copious-CMS

The CMS was in PHP. It used a JS package called OAT (Open Ajax Toolkit) It was a web app that allows for taxonomy editing so that you could do about the same process as Drupal.
Only, most of the editing and rendering is on the client. I used TinyMCE and added a drop target plugin for interacting with the taxonomies.

I was sick of PHP, so I started talking up node.js. But, the CMS would really be better in C and C++. Perhaps team and time would help.  I have been caught up in other peoples projects for some time for everything from IoT embedded stuff, MOG servers, MQTT/BLE app stacks, D3 front ends, and so on and so forth.

Last summer, I was at Google. There I worked on a API micro-gateway in node.js in a maintenance role. I am now very aware of ways that you should not use node.js. (Some frustration was over how much inefficiency was being added to the existing inefficiency and how the security was getting mangled.)

I got so frustrated that I started looking into Luajit. Some were claiming that project was dead. But, now Lua Vela came out in Oct. Anyway, some small functionality testing, I could run scripted things about 30 time faster than the fastest node.js implementation, which used systems tricks. Lua ran about 1000 times faster than code extracted from the Google stack to do about the same thing.  So, it gets easy to start eyeing the micro-gateways out there as easy targets to pick off. But, how important is that API stuff as the web changes to pick up things like IPFS, super responsive in RAM DB's, functional/serverless programming,etc? A pass through OpenResty leaves one saying "good enough". But, unintentional CDN's will arise from distributed file systems and provide some limited community fostered functionality such as file sharing. But, what about something like a webcit endpoint as another node rider?

Anyway, I was looking at the webcit code. And, I get it. And, I understand that it is undergoing necessary change, perhaps to make it more maintainable

It is interesting that you would like to basically change the approach to how people use the web. (Same here.) But, what is your vision? It would be nice to have a chat about that.

I am interested in the CSS change. Because, I could use mobile rendering. This looks positive, and I would not mind trying out troublesome code on my site for a while.

I don't have a paying gig at the moment. So, obviously I could use some pointers to one. But, it might be nice to get a handle on this stack as well.

What sort of transformative things are taking place with citadel and webcit that will transform the web as we know it?

 

 



Hello rleddy, nice to hear your thoughts on Citadel.

Do join the Citadel Development room if you're interested in participating in the effort.  I'll try to review here some of the things you're talking about on WebCit.

As you've probably seen, Citadel Server is in great shape; it's got a very efficient, modular, and feature-rich server architecture.  WebCit, on the other hand, suffers from an obsolete architecture and 20 years of bit rot.  The UI looks decent but the code is very brittle and unmaintainable.

webcit-ng (which is in the git repo, by the way) is built around a REST/DAV data model on the server side, and the entire UI runs inside the browser.  So yes, your comments about mobile rendering are relevant.  Right now it's built on W3CSS but it's early enough to change that, and in fact the idea that we can change the UI without rewriting the back end is a good thing.



[#] Mon Dec 23 2019 10:24:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: 2 smarthosts

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Hello everybody, my Citadel is working now. But I have the following problem. In the old version it was possible to use 2 smarthosts for different domains: "username:password@host:port sender-address". That does not seem to work anymore in the new version. Is there a solution for this?

Over the past year we removed all of the protocol handlers that could be replaced with calls to libcurl, and outbound SMTP is one of them.  Unfortunately, domain-specific smart hosts is not a feature offered by libcurl.



[#] Mon Dec 23 2019 17:07:50 EST from TheFunkyGranpa @ Uncensored

Subject: Login Problems

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I am having trouble setting up citadel for my local server and whenever I try to login it just does the loading icon and goes back to the login. I am using Raspbian. 



[#] Thu Dec 26 2019 14:49:15 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Login Problems

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That's not enough information to analyze your problem. Are you using the old packages or Easy Install? What version of Raspbian? Is this a new system or an upgrade? What server processes do you see running?

[#] Thu Dec 26 2019 16:49:28 EST from SupaCal @ Uncensored

Subject: 503 error

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I have checked to make sure the service is running and verified ipv6 is enabled but I still get a "This program was unable to connect or stay connected to the Citadel server. Please report this problem to your system administrator." whenever i try to connect to webcit. Does anyone know what is happening?

Thanks!


p.s. I have raspbian and I installed using apt-get



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