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[#] Wed May 03 2017 15:46:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: installation failed database too old?

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Ok, I found one more reference to c-ares in the Easy Install script, and have removed it. Try again.

I also found the place in Easy Install where it misidentifies whether it is a new install or an upgrade. I'll fix that soon and it'll eliminate the problem of everyone's login banners getting clobbered at every upgrade :)

[#] Wed May 03 2017 20:38:59 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: installation failed database too old?

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... and there was much rejoicing.

Wed May 03 2017 03:46:52 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: installation failed database too old?
Ok, I found one more reference to c-ares in the Easy Install script, and have removed it. Try again.

I also found the place in Easy Install where it misidentifies whether it is a new install or an upgrade. I'll fix that soon and it'll eliminate the problem of everyone's login banners getting clobbered at every upgrade :)

 



[#] Wed May 03 2017 20:59:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: installation failed database too old?

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It was kind of silly, actually. To determine whether you are upgrading an existing Citadel, it looks for the "citadel.config" file.

That file hasn't existed for a while now, since the config now lives in the database. Everything is going to live in the database eventually. We're getting there. Someday soon you'll be able to just copy /usr/local/citadel/data/ to another machine, run the Easy Install, and you're up and running (assuming the same CPU architecture is in use on both machines).

[#] Thu May 04 2017 08:59:20 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: installation failed database too old?

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I figured it had to be something like that. I noticed it started happening after your adjustment of things into the database. Glad it is fixed... right?

Wed May 03 2017 08:59:10 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: installation failed database too old?
It was kind of silly, actually. To determine whether you are upgrading an existing Citadel, it looks for the "citadel.config" file.

That file hasn't existed for a while now, since the config now lives in the database. Everything is going to live in the database eventually. We're getting there. Someday soon you'll be able to just copy /usr/local/citadel/data/ to another machine, run the Easy Install, and you're up and running (assuming the same CPU architecture is in use on both machines).

 



[#] Thu May 04 2017 13:45:26 EDT from vnaster @ Uncensored

Subject: Does Citadel require public IP?

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Can citadel server work effectively behind ROUTER using port forwarding? or do I need to have dedicated public IP(s) and plug the server to the directly to the internet? Do ISP's bite self hosted email servers in any way(port restrictions, blacklists, DNS)?

 



[#] Thu May 04 2017 14:01:34 EDT from heini @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] [WebCit] Compose message broken?

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Sat Apr 22 2017 04:02:13 EDT from "Dirk Heinrichs" <dirk.heinrichs@altum.de> Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] [WebCit] Compose message broken?
Am 06.04.2017 um 16:22 schrieb Dirk Heinrichs:

while I could post here using the web UI last week, it doesn't work
anymore. Tried with Konqueror and Chromium. See attached screenshot.
Just tried again, still doesn't work.

Turns out it's because of setting Mailbox view mode to Full-functionality. If I set it back to Safe mode, everything works as expected again.

 

Bye...

 

    Heini



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[#] Thu May 04 2017 14:17:51 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Does Citadel require public IP?

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Citadel can work very effectively behind a router using port forwarding (all of my citadel instances are that way).  ISPs bite any email servers if they are not business class services (some more than others) so that would be something to work out with your ISP. Some block port 25 (so you would need to do a workaround) and many email servers use a RBL which has every DHCP pool blocked because that is where MUCH spam comes from. If you do this, you may need to relay through a valid account with your ISP.

Thu May 04 2017 01:45:26 PM EDT from vnaster @ Uncensored Subject: Does Citadel require public IP?

Can citadel server work effectively behind ROUTER using port forwarding? or do I need to have dedicated public IP(s) and plug the server to the directly to the internet? Do ISP's bite self hosted email servers in any way(port restrictions, blacklists, DNS)?

 



 



[#] Thu May 04 2017 14:52:58 EDT from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

Subject: Re: installation failed database too old?

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Wed May 03 2017 08:38:59 PM EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored Subject: Re: installation failed database too old?

... and there was much rejoicing.

Wed May 03 2017 03:46:52 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: installation failed database too old?
Ok, I found one more reference to c-ares in the Easy Install script, and have removed it. Try again.

I also found the place in Easy Install where it misidentifies whether it is a new install or an upgrade. I'll fix that soon and it'll eliminate the problem of everyone's login banners getting clobbered at every upgrade :)

HalleluIG!!!



[#] Thu May 04 2017 16:52:34 EDT from vnaster @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Does Citadel require public IP?- Security Concerns

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Thanks for the Tip Bennabiy! Hopefully i will successfully build it! I will let you know what happens!

Regarding CITADEL-Port forwarding-LAN ect- I had some additional security related questions:

  1. Will Port forwarding paint bulls eye on my network? (nmap -> Router -> LAN -> PC  of IT ignorant accountant ect..)
  2. Citadel if not maintained properly, can it compromise my entire network?
  3. Can I apt-get/easyinstall my way out out security/update problems? (at least on the Citadel server side?)
  4. Is by the way any pgp integration  - you know email-self-defence plugin?
  5. Is the there a Citadel Security checklist? like Joomla has a fair one!
  6. Or our only security hope is that we are a tiny company bookkeeping obscure taxation suffering stories? (obscure accountants in Greece -> who cares)

Hopefully Citadel does not require a whole garrison of IT people to keep safe/working/updated, and can be kept going and secure by a syslog monitoring, apt-get/easyinstall, turn on&off user?

Cheers,

Evangelos

 

Thu May 04 2017 14:17:51 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Does Citadel require public IP?

Citadel can work very effectively behind a router using port forwarding (all of my citadel instances are that way).  ISPs bite any email servers if they are not business class services (some more than others) so that would be something to work out with your ISP. Some block port 25 (so you would need to do a workaround) and many email servers use a RBL which has every DHCP pool blocked because that is where MUCH spam comes from. If you do this, you may need to relay through a valid account with your ISP.

Thu May 04 2017 01:45:26 PM EDT from vnaster @ Uncensored Subject: Does Citadel require public IP?

Can citadel server work effectively behind ROUTER using port forwarding? or do I need to have dedicated public IP(s) and plug the server to the directly to the internet? Do ISP's bite self hosted email servers in any way(port restrictions, blacklists, DNS)?

 



 



 



[#] Thu May 04 2017 17:17:16 EDT from vnaster @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Does Citadel require public IP?- Security Concerns

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Forgot to mention, the need for security points below (1) and (2) was created while reading about Rule 41, if such law could be used unjustly without reasonable suspicion or warrants

Thu May 04 2017 16:52:34 EDT from vnaster @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Does Citadel require public IP?- Security Concerns

Thanks for the Tip Bennabiy! Hopefully i will successfully build it! I will let you know what happens!

Regarding CITADEL-Port forwarding-LAN ect- I had some additional security related questions:

  1. Will Port forwarding paint bulls eye on my network? (nmap -> Router -> LAN -> PC  of IT ignorant accountant ect..)
  2. Citadel if not maintained properly, can it compromise my entire network?
  3. Can I apt-get/easyinstall my way out out security/update problems? (at least on the Citadel server side?)
  4. Is by the way any pgp integration  - you know email-self-defence plugin?
  5. Is the there a Citadel Security checklist? like Joomla has a fair one!
  6. Or our only security hope is that we are a tiny company bookkeeping obscure taxation suffering stories? (obscure accountants in Greece -> who cares)

Hopefully Citadel does not require a whole garrison of IT people to keep safe/working/updated, and can be kept going and secure by a syslog monitoring, apt-get/easyinstall, turn on&off user?

Cheers,

Evangelos

 

Thu May 04 2017 14:17:51 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Does Citadel require public IP?

Citadel can work very effectively behind a router using port forwarding (all of my citadel instances are that way).  ISPs bite any email servers if they are not business class services (some more than others) so that would be something to work out with your ISP. Some block port 25 (so you would need to do a workaround) and many email servers use a RBL which has every DHCP pool blocked because that is where MUCH spam comes from. If you do this, you may need to relay through a valid account with your ISP.

Thu May 04 2017 01:45:26 PM EDT from vnaster @ Uncensored Subject: Does Citadel require public IP?

Can citadel server work effectively behind ROUTER using port forwarding? or do I need to have dedicated public IP(s) and plug the server to the directly to the internet? Do ISP's bite self hosted email servers in any way(port restrictions, blacklists, DNS)?

 



 



 



 



[#] Thu May 04 2017 17:17:18 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Does Citadel require public IP?- Security Concerns

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1) No more than any other mail server would... unless you implement some sort of port knocking or other firewall implementations, you are always going to have at least some port open for connections (which then is at the mercy of the strength of the password / username on the citadel server). Some 1337 h4x0R might hack their way in and read your lobby...

2) only through spam (correct me if I am wrong, IG)

3) ideally, as security concerns come up in citadel (which there are not many) when they are fixed, easyinstall is the most likely to be up to date with security

4) not by default, write a patch - nothing stopping you from storing your messages PGP encoded through a mail client integration plugin

5) be safe - read the directions - don't feed IG after midnight

6) sounds exciting... write a book on taxation suffering stories... greek accountants make the best story tellers...

it is amazing how small a garrison can be....

Thu May 04 2017 04:52:34 PM EDT from vnaster @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Does Citadel require public IP?- Security Concerns

Thanks for the Tip Bennabiy! Hopefully i will successfully build it! I will let you know what happens!

Regarding CITADEL-Port forwarding-LAN ect- I had some additional security related questions:

  1. Will Port forwarding paint bulls eye on my network? (nmap -> Router -> LAN -> PC  of IT ignorant accountant ect..)
  2. Citadel if not maintained properly, can it compromise my entire network?
  3. Can I apt-get/easyinstall my way out out security/update problems? (at least on the Citadel server side?)
  4. Is by the way any pgp integration  - you know email-self-defence plugin?
  5. Is the there a Citadel Security checklist? like Joomla has a fair one!
  6. Or our only security hope is that we are a tiny company bookkeeping obscure taxation suffering stories? (obscure accountants in Greece -> who cares)

Hopefully Citadel does not require a whole garrison of IT people to keep safe/working/updated, and can be kept going and secure by a syslog monitoring, apt-get/easyinstall, turn on&off user?

Cheers,

Evangelos

 

Thu May 04 2017 14:17:51 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Does Citadel require public IP?

Citadel can work very effectively behind a router using port forwarding (all of my citadel instances are that way).  ISPs bite any email servers if they are not business class services (some more than others) so that would be something to work out with your ISP. Some block port 25 (so you would need to do a workaround) and many email servers use a RBL which has every DHCP pool blocked because that is where MUCH spam comes from. If you do this, you may need to relay through a valid account with your ISP.

Thu May 04 2017 01:45:26 PM EDT from vnaster @ Uncensored Subject: Does Citadel require public IP?

Can citadel server work effectively behind ROUTER using port forwarding? or do I need to have dedicated public IP(s) and plug the server to the directly to the internet? Do ISP's bite self hosted email servers in any way(port restrictions, blacklists, DNS)?

 



 



 



 



[#] Thu May 04 2017 18:25:18 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored

Subject: IG - CC[1388]Message 0 appears to be corrupted.

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Greetings IGT,

I'm running Citadel 8.17 with WebCit 8.17, server build 8.17 in debian 6.

From time to time I see this kind of message on the logs... is something wrong with my server or is just informative?

email citserver[1533]: CC[1388]Message 0 appears to be corrupted.

 

I don't know if this is related:

From time to time my server just hangs because it can't send mails to some hotmail recipients... when I try to stop the service, one of the two citserver process just keep running, in that case, I reboot the server.

So, I create a cron job that stop the service and later it reboot the full server in the morning 3AM before the cleaning task happens at 4AM.

Regards, thanks for the help



[#] Thu May 04 2017 18:34:41 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored

Subject: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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I have some questions, thanks in advance for the help.

I'm running Citadel 8.17 with WebCit 8.17, server build 8.17 in debian 6. With ~30 to 50 users

This is one man operation, just me and my heir, when the time or my boss decide :)

1) I want to choose an LTS Linux distribution. What can it be?: CentOS 7, Ubuntu LTS, Debian

2) I wonder if I can migrate the full database, just copying the files the new server

2.a) Is possible? please more information to do this task.

2.b) Not posible? then maybe I need to create the users (one by one) and copy the important mail-boxes using IMAP from the old one to the new one?

3) Any documentation/recent for this task: migration from old citadel server to one more recent, keeping if not all just a few mailboxes.?

Regards



[#] Thu May 04 2017 18:52:53 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored to heini@uncensored.citadel.org
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Subject: Re: IGnatius T Foobar - Subjects on mail list are ...

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Thanks heini.

Your response sums all: You message is here in my "Mail" room but my own message in "citadel_support" room is missing and I don't receive it in the mailing list.

I wonder if can be fixed...

I'll try to setting up my IMAP/thunderbird.

 

Fri Apr 28 2017 12:42:02 AM EDT from heini Subject: Re: IGnatius T Foobar - Subjects on mail list are ...
Am 28.04.2017 um 00:38 schrieb s3cr3to:

Here (http://uncensored.citadel.org/) the Subjects for all messages shows correctly.

But after the last message received in this room on:

09/04/17 15:31 with subject "[Citadel Support] Re: Configuring Citadel as Microsoft Exchange Public folders alternative"

all new messages from the list only shows "[Citadel Support]" on my Thunderbird.


Same here, but only if subscribed to the mailing list. If I also connect thunderbird to uncensored directly, messages show up fine in the room's folder. I also see some more issues with the mailing list:

  • Message bodies are modified, adding strange characters (see attached screenshots) in addidtion to adding header and footer (which IMHO also shouldn't happen)
  • Some messages are missing completely, like the one i'm replying to here.


 



[#] Fri May 05 2017 09:23:20 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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I personally have had great success with debian wheezy, jessie etc, using easy install. How did you install your system to begin with? I am not sure which would be best, to do an upgrade in place, or to do an easy install, and then migrate (IG?) but it is doable.

 

If you run into issues, you can use something like imapcopy to duplicate your message base from one server to another using pure IMAP. No reason to lose users, unless you want to...

Thu May 04 2017 06:34:41 PM EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored Subject: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

I have some questions, thanks in advance for the help.

I'm running Citadel 8.17 with WebCit 8.17, server build 8.17 in debian 6. With ~30 to 50 users

This is one man operation, just me and my heir, when the time or my boss decide :)

1) I want to choose an LTS Linux distribution. What can it be?: CentOS 7, Ubuntu LTS, Debian

2) I wonder if I can migrate the full database, just copying the files the new server

2.a) Is possible? please more information to do this task.

2.b) Not posible? then maybe I need to create the users (one by one) and copy the important mail-boxes using IMAP from the old one to the new one?

3) Any documentation/recent for this task: migration from old citadel server to one more recent, keeping if not all just a few mailboxes.?

Regards



 



[#] Tue May 09 2017 09:18:15 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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I personally have had great success with debian wheezy, jessie etc, using

easy install. How did you install your system to begin with? I am not sure

which would be best, to do an upgrade in place, or to do an easy install,
and
then migrate (IG?) but it is doable.

When you install Citadel from a "package" (.deb .rpm etc) the packager is usually going to place all of the files in standard filesystem hierarchy locations.
When you install Citadel from Easy Install it's going to put everything in /usr/local.

You get all of the usual tradeoffs. Packages are validated by the operating system vendor and are pre-compiled for you, at the expense of being out of date at times. Easy Install gives you the latest updates as soon as they become available, at the expense of requiring a compiler toolchain on your system.

To move between the two, you have to relocate your data files manually. Neither the packages nor Easy Install will do this for you. There is a handy-dandy chart at http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/documentation:file_layout that shows the corresponding locations (and as is always the case when I point these things out ... there are some updates I need to make to it).

[#] Tue May 09 2017 16:03:13 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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(For some reason I don't receive all the message from the mail list; I need to use the IMAP option to get this room messages)

@bennabiy & @IGnatius Thank You!

I have 3 systems (2 installed with the .deb, 1 via webcit?), the more important one (via .deb) shows strange issues from time to time. And I hope to solve with a most recent version of Citadel+Linux.

Right now I don't have spare hardware to migrate; but I hope to simulate this task using some virtualization just to be on the safe side.

I wonder if exists a How To for Citadel on CentOS?. I  really like the idea of Citadel+CentOS when I see the lifetime support CentOS 7 (released 07 Jul 2014, EOL 30 Jun 2024). But I briefly has using CentOS from time to time.

I hope to ask a little more when I be testing the migration.

Regards

Tue May 09 2017 09:18:15 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one
I personally have had great success with debian wheezy, jessie etc, using
easy install. How did you install your system to begin with? I am not sure
which would be best, to do an upgrade in place, or to do an easy install, and
then migrate (IG?) but it is doable.

When you install Citadel from a "package" (.deb .rpm etc) the packager is usually going to place all of the files in standard filesystem hierarchy locations.
When you install Citadel from Easy Install it's going to put everything in /usr/local.

You get all of the usual tradeoffs. Packages are validated by the operating system vendor and are pre-compiled for you, at the expense of being out of date at times. Easy Install gives you the latest updates as soon as they become available, at the expense of requiring a compiler toolchain on your system.

To move between the two, you have to relocate your data files manually. Neither the packages nor Easy Install will do this for you. There is a handy-dandy chart at http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/documentation:file_layout that shows the corresponding locations (and as is always the case when I point these things out ... there are some updates I need to make to it).

 



[#] Tue May 09 2017 16:51:15 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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I would venture to say if you use the easy install method, it should work, but I have not used centos + citadel yet so not sure.

I would highly recommend using the easy install method no matter what, as I guarantee unless you are doing the packaging for your OS, you are probably out of date...

 

Virtualization works fine with citadel as long as you work out your networking etc.

Tue May 09 2017 04:03:13 PM EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

(For some reason I don't receive all the message from the mail list; I need to use the IMAP option to get this room messages)

@bennabiy & @IGnatius Thank You!

I have 3 systems (2 installed with the .deb, 1 via webcit?), the more important one (via .deb) shows strange issues from time to time. And I hope to solve with a most recent version of Citadel+Linux.

Right now I don't have spare hardware to migrate; but I hope to simulate this task using some virtualization just to be on the safe side.

I wonder if exists a How To for Citadel on CentOS?. I  really like the idea of Citadel+CentOS when I see the lifetime support CentOS 7 (released 07 Jul 2014, EOL 30 Jun 2024). But I briefly has using CentOS from time to time.

I hope to ask a little more when I be testing the migration.

Regards

Tue May 09 2017 09:18:15 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one
I personally have had great success with debian wheezy, jessie etc, using
easy install. How did you install your system to begin with? I am not sure
which would be best, to do an upgrade in place, or to do an easy install, and
then migrate (IG?) but it is doable.

When you install Citadel from a "package" (.deb .rpm etc) the packager is usually going to place all of the files in standard filesystem hierarchy locations.
When you install Citadel from Easy Install it's going to put everything in /usr/local.

You get all of the usual tradeoffs. Packages are validated by the operating system vendor and are pre-compiled for you, at the expense of being out of date at times. Easy Install gives you the latest updates as soon as they become available, at the expense of requiring a compiler toolchain on your system.

To move between the two, you have to relocate your data files manually. Neither the packages nor Easy Install will do this for you. There is a handy-dandy chart at http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/documentation:file_layout that shows the corresponding locations (and as is always the case when I point these things out ... there are some updates I need to make to it).

 



 



[#] Wed May 10 2017 14:17:43 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored to room_Citadel_Support@uncensored.citadel.org

Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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Thank you @bennaby/@IG

I'll take note of all yours recommendations.
(this is an IMAP test #2)

[#] Wed May 10 2017 14:45:11 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored to room_Citadel_Support@uncensored.citadel.org

Subject: Questions related to auto-purge

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Regards
A few weeks ago, I see than my Citadel/db is using ~60GB of HDD

Because my lack of understanding, I try to solve using the autopurge
with this method #1: changing *individually* for each user/room the
[Message expire policy] with:
1.1) Grant aide access to the user
1.2) Enter to each room needed (Mail,Trash, etc) and change the expire
policy accordly to my needs.
1.3) Return the level acces for the user

This task take a lot of time, and I wonder if is working.

But maybe I need to do this method #2 instead, for the *important*
mailboxes/users:
2.1) Grant aide access to the user
2.2) Enter to each room needed (Mail,Trash, etc) and change the expire
policy to [Never automatically expire messages]
2.3) Return the level acces for the user
Then
2.4) Change the Auto-purger for private mailboxes: Expire by message age

Questions:
a) I wonder if step #2.4 will *respect* the policy of the important
users in step #2.2.

b) This tasks can be managed from the terminal/text client? (Can I have
a cookbook-recipe to do this steps)

c) Exists some command to know the *free/remain/used* space in the
database? The size of the db file is the used hard disk space. I know
that auto-purge *don't shrink* the database. But with this information
we can know if the auto-purge is working and if free space is filling up
or reused then know when to delete or migrate to a bigger HDD.

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