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[#] Thu May 04 2017 18:34:41 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored

Subject: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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I have some questions, thanks in advance for the help.

I'm running Citadel 8.17 with WebCit 8.17, server build 8.17 in debian 6. With ~30 to 50 users

This is one man operation, just me and my heir, when the time or my boss decide :)

1) I want to choose an LTS Linux distribution. What can it be?: CentOS 7, Ubuntu LTS, Debian

2) I wonder if I can migrate the full database, just copying the files the new server

2.a) Is possible? please more information to do this task.

2.b) Not posible? then maybe I need to create the users (one by one) and copy the important mail-boxes using IMAP from the old one to the new one?

3) Any documentation/recent for this task: migration from old citadel server to one more recent, keeping if not all just a few mailboxes.?

Regards



[#] Thu May 04 2017 18:52:53 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored to heini@uncensored.citadel.org
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Subject: Re: IGnatius T Foobar - Subjects on mail list are ...

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Thanks heini.

Your response sums all: You message is here in my "Mail" room but my own message in "citadel_support" room is missing and I don't receive it in the mailing list.

I wonder if can be fixed...

I'll try to setting up my IMAP/thunderbird.

 

Fri Apr 28 2017 12:42:02 AM EDT from heini Subject: Re: IGnatius T Foobar - Subjects on mail list are ...
Am 28.04.2017 um 00:38 schrieb s3cr3to:

Here (http://uncensored.citadel.org/) the Subjects for all messages shows correctly.

But after the last message received in this room on:

09/04/17 15:31 with subject "[Citadel Support] Re: Configuring Citadel as Microsoft Exchange Public folders alternative"

all new messages from the list only shows "[Citadel Support]" on my Thunderbird.


Same here, but only if subscribed to the mailing list. If I also connect thunderbird to uncensored directly, messages show up fine in the room's folder. I also see some more issues with the mailing list:

  • Message bodies are modified, adding strange characters (see attached screenshots) in addidtion to adding header and footer (which IMHO also shouldn't happen)
  • Some messages are missing completely, like the one i'm replying to here.


 



[#] Fri May 05 2017 09:23:20 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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I personally have had great success with debian wheezy, jessie etc, using easy install. How did you install your system to begin with? I am not sure which would be best, to do an upgrade in place, or to do an easy install, and then migrate (IG?) but it is doable.

 

If you run into issues, you can use something like imapcopy to duplicate your message base from one server to another using pure IMAP. No reason to lose users, unless you want to...

Thu May 04 2017 06:34:41 PM EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored Subject: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

I have some questions, thanks in advance for the help.

I'm running Citadel 8.17 with WebCit 8.17, server build 8.17 in debian 6. With ~30 to 50 users

This is one man operation, just me and my heir, when the time or my boss decide :)

1) I want to choose an LTS Linux distribution. What can it be?: CentOS 7, Ubuntu LTS, Debian

2) I wonder if I can migrate the full database, just copying the files the new server

2.a) Is possible? please more information to do this task.

2.b) Not posible? then maybe I need to create the users (one by one) and copy the important mail-boxes using IMAP from the old one to the new one?

3) Any documentation/recent for this task: migration from old citadel server to one more recent, keeping if not all just a few mailboxes.?

Regards



 



[#] Tue May 09 2017 09:18:15 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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I personally have had great success with debian wheezy, jessie etc, using

easy install. How did you install your system to begin with? I am not sure

which would be best, to do an upgrade in place, or to do an easy install,
and
then migrate (IG?) but it is doable.

When you install Citadel from a "package" (.deb .rpm etc) the packager is usually going to place all of the files in standard filesystem hierarchy locations.
When you install Citadel from Easy Install it's going to put everything in /usr/local.

You get all of the usual tradeoffs. Packages are validated by the operating system vendor and are pre-compiled for you, at the expense of being out of date at times. Easy Install gives you the latest updates as soon as they become available, at the expense of requiring a compiler toolchain on your system.

To move between the two, you have to relocate your data files manually. Neither the packages nor Easy Install will do this for you. There is a handy-dandy chart at http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/documentation:file_layout that shows the corresponding locations (and as is always the case when I point these things out ... there are some updates I need to make to it).

[#] Tue May 09 2017 16:03:13 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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(For some reason I don't receive all the message from the mail list; I need to use the IMAP option to get this room messages)

@bennabiy & @IGnatius Thank You!

I have 3 systems (2 installed with the .deb, 1 via webcit?), the more important one (via .deb) shows strange issues from time to time. And I hope to solve with a most recent version of Citadel+Linux.

Right now I don't have spare hardware to migrate; but I hope to simulate this task using some virtualization just to be on the safe side.

I wonder if exists a How To for Citadel on CentOS?. I  really like the idea of Citadel+CentOS when I see the lifetime support CentOS 7 (released 07 Jul 2014, EOL 30 Jun 2024). But I briefly has using CentOS from time to time.

I hope to ask a little more when I be testing the migration.

Regards

Tue May 09 2017 09:18:15 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one
I personally have had great success with debian wheezy, jessie etc, using
easy install. How did you install your system to begin with? I am not sure
which would be best, to do an upgrade in place, or to do an easy install, and
then migrate (IG?) but it is doable.

When you install Citadel from a "package" (.deb .rpm etc) the packager is usually going to place all of the files in standard filesystem hierarchy locations.
When you install Citadel from Easy Install it's going to put everything in /usr/local.

You get all of the usual tradeoffs. Packages are validated by the operating system vendor and are pre-compiled for you, at the expense of being out of date at times. Easy Install gives you the latest updates as soon as they become available, at the expense of requiring a compiler toolchain on your system.

To move between the two, you have to relocate your data files manually. Neither the packages nor Easy Install will do this for you. There is a handy-dandy chart at http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/documentation:file_layout that shows the corresponding locations (and as is always the case when I point these things out ... there are some updates I need to make to it).

 



[#] Tue May 09 2017 16:51:15 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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I would venture to say if you use the easy install method, it should work, but I have not used centos + citadel yet so not sure.

I would highly recommend using the easy install method no matter what, as I guarantee unless you are doing the packaging for your OS, you are probably out of date...

 

Virtualization works fine with citadel as long as you work out your networking etc.

Tue May 09 2017 04:03:13 PM EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

(For some reason I don't receive all the message from the mail list; I need to use the IMAP option to get this room messages)

@bennabiy & @IGnatius Thank You!

I have 3 systems (2 installed with the .deb, 1 via webcit?), the more important one (via .deb) shows strange issues from time to time. And I hope to solve with a most recent version of Citadel+Linux.

Right now I don't have spare hardware to migrate; but I hope to simulate this task using some virtualization just to be on the safe side.

I wonder if exists a How To for Citadel on CentOS?. I  really like the idea of Citadel+CentOS when I see the lifetime support CentOS 7 (released 07 Jul 2014, EOL 30 Jun 2024). But I briefly has using CentOS from time to time.

I hope to ask a little more when I be testing the migration.

Regards

Tue May 09 2017 09:18:15 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one
I personally have had great success with debian wheezy, jessie etc, using
easy install. How did you install your system to begin with? I am not sure
which would be best, to do an upgrade in place, or to do an easy install, and
then migrate (IG?) but it is doable.

When you install Citadel from a "package" (.deb .rpm etc) the packager is usually going to place all of the files in standard filesystem hierarchy locations.
When you install Citadel from Easy Install it's going to put everything in /usr/local.

You get all of the usual tradeoffs. Packages are validated by the operating system vendor and are pre-compiled for you, at the expense of being out of date at times. Easy Install gives you the latest updates as soon as they become available, at the expense of requiring a compiler toolchain on your system.

To move between the two, you have to relocate your data files manually. Neither the packages nor Easy Install will do this for you. There is a handy-dandy chart at http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/documentation:file_layout that shows the corresponding locations (and as is always the case when I point these things out ... there are some updates I need to make to it).

 



 



[#] Wed May 10 2017 14:17:43 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored to room_Citadel_Support@uncensored.citadel.org

Subject: Re: Questions about how to migrate old system to new one

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Thank you @bennaby/@IG

I'll take note of all yours recommendations.
(this is an IMAP test #2)

[#] Wed May 10 2017 14:45:11 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored to room_Citadel_Support@uncensored.citadel.org

Subject: Questions related to auto-purge

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Regards
A few weeks ago, I see than my Citadel/db is using ~60GB of HDD

Because my lack of understanding, I try to solve using the autopurge
with this method #1: changing *individually* for each user/room the
[Message expire policy] with:
1.1) Grant aide access to the user
1.2) Enter to each room needed (Mail,Trash, etc) and change the expire
policy accordly to my needs.
1.3) Return the level acces for the user

This task take a lot of time, and I wonder if is working.

But maybe I need to do this method #2 instead, for the *important*
mailboxes/users:
2.1) Grant aide access to the user
2.2) Enter to each room needed (Mail,Trash, etc) and change the expire
policy to [Never automatically expire messages]
2.3) Return the level acces for the user
Then
2.4) Change the Auto-purger for private mailboxes: Expire by message age

Questions:
a) I wonder if step #2.4 will *respect* the policy of the important
users in step #2.2.

b) This tasks can be managed from the terminal/text client? (Can I have
a cookbook-recipe to do this steps)

c) Exists some command to know the *free/remain/used* space in the
database? The size of the db file is the used hard disk space. I know
that auto-purge *don't shrink* the database. But with this information
we can know if the auto-purge is working and if free space is filling up
or reused then know when to delete or migrate to a bigger HDD.

[#] Wed May 10 2017 14:49:47 EDT from s3cr3to @ Uncensored to room_Citadel_Support@uncensored.citadel.org

Subject: Questions related to auto-purge

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Regards
A few weeks ago, I see than my Citadel/db is using ~60GB of HDD

Because my lack of understanding, I try to solve using the autopurge
with this method #1: changing *individually* for each user/room the
[Message expire policy] with:
1.1) Grant aide access to the user
1.2) Enter to each room needed (Mail,Trash, etc) and change the expire
policy accordly to my needs.
1.3) Return the level acces for the user

This task take a lot of time, and I wonder if is working.

But maybe I need to do this method #2 instead, for the *important*
mailboxes/users:
2.1) Grant aide access to the user
2.2) Enter to each room needed (Mail,Trash, etc) and change the expire
policy to [Never automatically expire messages]
2.3) Return the level acces for the user
Then
2.4) (*as Admin Edit site-wide configuration*) Change the Auto-purger
for private mailboxes: Expire by message age

Questions:
a) I wonder if step #2.4 will *respect* the policy of the important
users in step #2.2.

b) This tasks can be managed from the terminal/text client? (Can I have
a cookbook-recipe to do this steps)

c) Exists some command to know the *free/remain/used* space in the
database? The size of the db file is the used hard disk space. I know
that auto-purge *don't shrink* the database. But with this information
we can know if the auto-purge is working and if free space is filling up
or reused then know when to delete or migrate to a bigger HDD.

(Edited point 2.4)

[#] Thu May 11 2017 11:31:38 EDT from Christian.Commarmond @ Uncensored

Subject: Import mails (and export?) and other question...

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Hello to all,

 

I am not yet user of citadel, but, before I install it, I would like to know :

- is there a way to import messages from other mail servers (eg:gmail, outlook...). And by the way, maybe also to export them?

- can it be multi domain? I am requested to manages mails @joe.com and @jim.com... Is it possible, or do I need to set up two servers?

- and, I would like to have a 'auto-create' users function... in the kind:

  Having my user_name='joe', my address being joe@joe.com. When I create my amazon_account, I would give email address amazon_joe@joe.com. To gitub, I would say github_joe@joe.com...

  And Citadel would create an email account amazon_joe with same password than joe, and another user github_joe with same password than joe... So joe can have as many adresses he wants, without having to manually come to create the account. What do you think? 

  I am aware of th joe+amazon@joe.com, but a lot of websites do not manage the '+'...

 

If these things are possible, can you point me to a good and simple explanation?

 

Thank you for reading,

 

Best regards,

Christian COMMARMOND (From Paris, France).

christian.commarmond '@' gmail.com

 

BTW, I was, ages ago, a 'C' developper. I appreciate that the code is in 'C' and that I understand it. It look very well written to me. 

I may be interested, if I can import all my mails (12Gb from gmail) to propose some improvements.

 

 

 

 



[#] Thu May 11 2017 21:37:50 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Import mails (and export?) and other question...

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Perhaps the Citadel Support room would be a better place to ask for support.



[#] Fri May 12 2017 15:12:07 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Import mails (and export?) and other question...

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You mean here?

Thu May 11 2017 09:37:50 PM EDT from zooer @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Import mails (and export?) and other question...

Perhaps the Citadel Support room would be a better place to ask for support.



 



[#] Fri May 12 2017 16:39:45 EDT from Fluffy @ Uncensored

Subject: attachments not working

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I installed Citadel (easy install) on a clean Ubuntu 16  and cannot send attachments. There are also connection problems, I guess the TLS is attempting to use a weak encryption. Note that I disabled (-1) all the unencrypted protocols. Please help.



[#] Thu May 18 2017 02:09:50 EDT from graylion @ Uncensored

Subject: installing with the intellgigent installer in Ubunutu 16

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[#] Thu May 18 2017 03:11:33 EDT from graylion @ Uncensored

Subject: installing on Ubuntu 16.04

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when installing spamassassing and amavis

 

> apt install amavisd-new spamassassin


insserv: Starting webcit depends on rc.local and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: exiting now without changing boot order!
update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
dpkg: error processing package spamassassin (--configure):
 subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of sa-compile:
 sa-compile depends on spamassassin; however:
  Package spamassassin is not configured yet.

dpkg: error processing package sa-compile (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Setting up spamc (3.4.1-3) ...
Setting up amavisd-new (1:2.10.1-2ubuntu1) ...
Creating/updating amavis user account...
insserv: warning: script 'K15webcit' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: warning: script 'webcit' missing LSB tags and overrides
insserv: Starting webcit depends on rc.local and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: Starting webcit depends on rc.local and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: There is a loop between service webcit and rc.local if started
insserv:  loop involving service rc.local at depth 12
insserv:  loop involving service webcit at depth 1
insserv: Starting webcit depends on rc.local and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!
insserv: exiting now without changing boot order!
update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
dpkg: error processing package amavisd-new (--configure):
 subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Setting up libauthen-sasl-perl (2.1600-1) ...
Processing triggers for systemd (229-4ubuntu17) ...
Processing triggers for ureadahead (0.100.0-19) ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
 spamassassin
 sa-compile
 amavisd-new
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

fix:

> nano /etc/init.de/webcit

add

### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides:          webcit
# Required-Start:    $remote_fs $syslog
# Required-Stop:     $remote_fs $syslog
# Default-Start:     2 3 4 5
# Default-Stop:      0 1 6
# Short-Description: Start daemon at boot time
# Description:       Enable service provided by daemon.
### END INIT INFO
 
could this be incorporated into the product please?


[#] Thu May 18 2017 04:35:21 EDT from ola @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel on Ubuntu Server 16.04

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Hello!

I am new to Citadel, I've installed it successfully on Ubuntu Server 16.04 and configured it to send and receive mails and till now works fine. But  every time I do a change as an admin at Edit side-wide configuration panel, for example I specify my fully qualified domain name as the domain I want to use or even I changed the default timezone to the one that I want not the default UTC, after I restart citadel I get an error:

This program was unable to connect or stay connected to the Citadel server. Please report this problem to your system administrator.  Without a working Citadel server, , WebCit is unable to provide you with any more content than this error page. The reason for this might be that citserver is not running; another might be that you configured it to listen to another IP address or port, or if your Citadel server is running on another host, it might not be able to reach it.

I am not sure how to fix this, I have tried some things that I found in the internet, but nothing seems to work. Can you please help me?



[#] Thu May 18 2017 11:19:23 EDT from bennabiy @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel on Ubuntu Server 16.04

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You can start with the easy things, like making sure you did not accidentally install something which would have a port conflict, etc. 

 

Have you turned on logging as well? what is the result from service citadel status when it appears crashed? 

Thu May 18 2017 04:35:21 AM EDT from ola @ Uncensored Subject: Citadel on Ubuntu Server 16.04

Hello!

I am new to Citadel, I've installed it successfully on Ubuntu Server 16.04 and configured it to send and receive mails and till now works fine. But  every time I do a change as an admin at Edit side-wide configuration panel, for example I specify my fully qualified domain name as the domain I want to use or even I changed the default timezone to the one that I want not the default UTC, after I restart citadel I get an error:

This program was unable to connect or stay connected to the Citadel server. Please report this problem to your system administrator.  Without a working Citadel server, , WebCit is unable to provide you with any more content than this error page. The reason for this might be that citserver is not running; another might be that you configured it to listen to another IP address or port, or if your Citadel server is running on another host, it might not be able to reach it.

I am not sure how to fix this, I have tried some things that I found in the internet, but nothing seems to work. Can you please help me?



 



[#] Thu May 18 2017 11:51:50 EDT from ola @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Citadel on Ubuntu Server 16.04

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I have nothing installed in my server rather than Citadel. You can find attached what I get when I run: service citadel status



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[#] Thu May 18 2017 12:21:56 EDT from heini @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: installing on Ubuntu 16.04

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Thu May 18 2017 03:11:33 EDT from graylion @ Uncensored Subject: installing on Ubuntu 16.04

> nano /etc/init.de/webcit


add

### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides:          webcit
# Required-Start:    $remote_fs $syslog
# Required-Stop:     $remote_fs $syslog
# Default-Start:     2 3 4 5
# Default-Stop:      0 1 6
# Short-Description: Start daemon at boot time
# Description:       Enable service provided by daemon.
### END INIT INFO
 
could this be incorporated into the product please?

Err, since Ubuntu16.04 uses systemd, it'd be better to provide proper unit files.

 

Bye...

 

    Heini



[#] Fri May 19 2017 03:07:52 EDT from ola @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: installing on Ubuntu 16.04

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I tried to add this in the webcit file, nothing changed, I'm getting the same error. I don't understand how just changing the timezone causes this error, isn't this a bug? 



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