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[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 13:09:48 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: SMTP password lenth limit ?

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So i've changed passwords, they're now up to 9 characters long (some
of the not working ones were 12 characters long, most were 16).
Now they all work.

Not sure about that, but Citadel Server permits passwords up to 31 characters long.

Do the usernames have spaces or other non-alnum characters in them? Unless you have a very old Citadel you should be able to remove all of the spaces and other characters from the login name and it will still work. That often helps when using third party clients.

[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 13:16:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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so with the recent DB crash/restore/rebuilds, should i expect all my
mail to be gone? Both incoming and outgoing?   Not a big deal,

If you restored from a backup, everything should still be intact.

If you ran database_cleanup.sh , it depends on how bad your corruption was.
I've seen it restore everything perfectly, and I've seen it not recover perfectly.

Once again however, you should definitely be running Citadel Server version 991 or later. We made the database layer absolutely bulletproof by adding mmap (disk-backed) dbenv. I haven't been able to make it fail even after deliberately and repeatedly crashing the server under high write load.

[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 14:35:12 EDT from Nurb432

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it was on here at uncensored.. not a local copy. sorry i wasn't more clear.  But again, not a big deal to me personally, i just thought id mention it, just in case.

Fri Sep 15 2023 13:16:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
so with the recent DB crash/restore/rebuilds, should i expect all my
mail to be gone? Both incoming and outgoing?   Not a big deal,

If you restored from a backup, everything should still be intact.

If you ran database_cleanup.sh , it depends on how bad your corruption was.
I've seen it restore everything perfectly, and I've seen it not recover perfectly.

Once again however, you should definitely be running Citadel Server version 991 or later. We made the database layer absolutely bulletproof by adding mmap (disk-backed) dbenv. I haven't been able to make it fail even after deliberately and repeatedly crashing the server under high write load.

 



[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 17:52:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Oooooh, yes that. :(

As you know, here on Uncensored we run bleeding-edge Citadel software because we are the last stage of testing before new versions go out to the world.
And yes, the private rooms (including mailboxes) of some users were a casualty.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

[#] Fri Sep 15 2023 17:59:45 EDT from Nurb432

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For me, not a problem at all. Just didnt want to leave it unreported :) 

Fri Sep 15 2023 17:52:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Oooooh, yes that. :(

As you know, here on Uncensored we run bleeding-edge Citadel software because we are the last stage of testing before new versions go out to the world.
And yes, the private rooms (including mailboxes) of some users were a casualty.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

 



[#] Sat Sep 16 2023 07:38:50 EDT from henri1400

Subject: Install failure using EasyInstall

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Trying to install citadel using Easy Install. Libcitadel fails to install, it's missing the configure script. Was automake/autoconf not run ?

2023-09-16 21:16:56 (291 KB/s) - 'libcitadel-easyinstall.tar.gz' saved [248327/248327]

 Installing libcitadel...
./citadel.install: line 454: ./configure: No such file or directory
 Citadel Easy Install is aborting.
 The last few lines above this message may indicate what went wrong.
 Linux Debian bookworm/sid( 4.19.84-microsoft-standard x86_64)

Cheers,
Henri



[#] Sat Sep 16 2023 12:29:11 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Install failure using EasyInstall

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Trying to install citadel using Easy Install. Libcitadel fails to
install, it's missing the configure script. Was automake/autoconf not
run ?

Noted. I pushed that update last night and just noticed that it had that problem.

You should be able to run it now with no problems. It's been fixed.

[#] Sat Sep 16 2023 21:20:15 EDT from MAS3

Subject: Re: SMTP password lenth limit ?

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Fri Sep 15 2023 13:09:48 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: SMTP password lenth limit ?
So i've changed passwords, they're now up to 9 characters long (some
of the not working ones were 12 characters long, most were 16).
Now they all work.

Not sure about that, but Citadel Server permits passwords up to 31 characters long.

Do the usernames have spaces or other non-alnum characters in them? Unless you have a very old Citadel you should be able to remove all of the spaces and other characters from the login name and it will still work. That often helps when using third party clients.

No, usernames do not have spaces or unusual characters in them.
And using webmail, there are no problems, so i think it is unlikely that there is a problem with Citadel itself.
I did test with a windows 11 laptop, and had the same problem.
I'll create new users and their names will be test10, test11, test12, test13 and test14, with passwords containing only numbers to see what will happen.
They will be removed after testing.



[#] Wed Sep 20 2023 04:13:32 EDT from rvlation

Subject: Simple Auth AD Integration

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Hey, has anyone here integrated Citadel with AD?



[#] Wed Sep 20 2023 09:21:37 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Simple Auth AD Integration

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Yes, it's designed to do that, and it works fine. We even wrote a tutorial about it:
[ https://www.citadel.org/msadsso.html ]

(It's a bit old, using Windows Server 2008, but the procedure hasn't changed much since then.)

[#] Wed Sep 20 2023 16:48:02 EDT from red

Subject: Configuring citmail to send mail on 587

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Hello,

Very new to this room.

From a client machine I am trying to: echo "Subject: Client machine citmail" | /usr/local/citadel/citmail red@webmailserver.dom.com

An getting this: citmail: can't connect: Connection refused

The webmailserver sever is ONLY listening on 587.

The command works fine from the webmailserver sever itself (localhost).

In the client machine I did install another citadel full but stop the 3 services (citadel, http/https web)... on/off does not make any change)

Telnet from client to server on port 587 is OK

netstat -ltnp | grep cit

tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:504             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      129029/citserver

tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:587             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      129029/citserver

tcp6       0      0 :::444                  :::*                    LISTEN      119743/webcit

I thought it was a certificate/key issue and copy from the server to the client (citadel.key and citadel.cer).

Question:

1) I can't find a conf file that I can check for citmail is this normal?

2) I can find in the server any logs that could tell me why it's rejecting

3) from the CLient adding the "-d" to citmail does not display more info

 

Any tips ?



[#] Wed Sep 20 2023 22:36:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Configuring citmail to send mail on 587

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That's not what `citmail` is for.

If you are running some third-party MTA that needs to call some other program to perform the final delivery of local mail, `citmail` is what it calls. But even that is mostly obsolete at this point, because most MTA's now support LMTP, and Citadel provides an LMTP socket.

If you are running Citadel Server on your host and you need to deliver mail from shell scripts and the like, you could consider a program like `nullmailer` (it's in your OS repo) and point that at Citadel.

[#] Thu Sep 21 2023 07:40:34 EDT from nnitrus

Subject: installing on AmazonLinux (or any ARM, really)

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Trying to get Citadel going on the cheapest AWS server I can, and on ARM, if possible. Tried AmazonLinux both x64 and ARM versions and get the error "==: unary operator expected" when attempting to run the quickstart curl https://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | bash

Is there an ARM distro that Citadel works on?



[#] Thu Sep 21 2023 09:13:20 EDT from red

Subject: Re: Configuring citmail to send mail on 587

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My intent in using citmail is to minimize the number of different software needed.

If I am using citadel, why not use citmail on my linux client?

Well I did try another SW and it's failing, that one also as bad logs, not sure of the reason of failure.

User/password authen is my guess but don't know how to fix in that SW.

 

My echo test with citmail is also to ensure that the basic is all good.

 

Thank you for the SW suggestion I will try.



[#] Thu Sep 21 2023 09:55:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: installing on AmazonLinux (or any ARM, really)

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Is there an ARM distro that Citadel works on?

I just tried it and you are correct, Amazon Linux is not supported by Easy Install.

You can use the Docker version of Citadel, which seems to work great on Amazon Linux. If you really want the Easy Install version, try selecting Ubuntu instead of Amazon Linux. That should work fine.

[#] Thu Sep 21 2023 09:57:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Configuring citmail to send mail on 587

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My echo test with citmail is also to ensure that the basic is all
good.

I understand that, and you are doing the right thing by installing Citadel instead of a bunch of other software, but again -- the `citmail` utility is not intended to do what you are trying to do.

[#] Thu Sep 21 2023 14:16:42 EDT from javier.putterman

Subject: Rebooted my RHEL 8.8 instance and now Citadel crashes upon start...

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Only just started using Citadel. It was working perfectly fine until I recently rebooted the instance it was running on. 

Now it starts, runs for 10 seconds, and then systemctl status returns this:

citadel.service - Citadel Server

   Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/citadel.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled)

   Active: failed (Result: signal) since Thu 2023-09-21 13:46:34 EDT; 5s ago

  Process: 25129 ExecStart=/usr/local/citadel/citserver (code=killed, signal=SEGV)

 Main PID: 25129 (code=killed, signal=SEGV)

 

systemd[1]: citadel.service: Main process exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV

systemd[1]: citadel.service: Failed with result 'signal'.

systemd[1]: citadel.service: Service RestartSec=100ms expired, scheduling restart.

systemd[1]: citadel.service: Scheduled restart job, restart counter is at 5.

systemd[1]: Stopped Citadel Server.

systemd[1]: citadel.service: Start request repeated too quickly.

systemd[1]: citadel.service: Failed with result 'signal'.

systemd[1]: Failed to start Citadel Server.

journalctl -xe returned this:

citserver[25125]: extensions: TCP port *:465: (SMTPs-MTA) registered.

citserver[25125]: extensions: TCP port *:587: (SMTP-MSA) registered.

citserver[25125]: extensions: unix domain socket 'lmtp.socket': registered.

citserver[25125]: extensions: unix domain socket 'lmtp-unfiltered.socket': registered.

citserver[25125]: citserver[25125]: Existing database version on disk is 992

citserver[25125]: Existing database version on disk is 992

citserver[25125]: citserver[25125]: extensions: service DICT_TCP has been manually disabled, skipping

citserver[25125]: extensions: service DICT_TCP has been manually disabled, skipping

citserver[25125]: citserver[25125]: extensions: TCP port *:5222: (XMPP) registered.

citserver[25125]: extensions: TCP port *:5222: (XMPP) registered.

citserver[25125]: citserver[25125]: main: changing uid to 1003

citserver[25125]: main: changing uid to 1003

kernel: citserver[25126]: segfault at 10 ip 00007f88216d8d40 sp 00007f8819b1bb98 error 4 in libcitadel.so.4.0.992[7f88216be000+21000]

kernel: Code: 08 83 ef 01 eb a5 0f 1f 40 00 c3 66 66 2e 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 0f 1f 40 00 48 63 f6 48 0f af 77 08 48 8b 07 48 01 f0 c3 90 <8b> 47 10 c3 66 66 2e 0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 90 48 89 f1 48 8b 57

systemd[1]: citadel.service: Main process exited, code=killed, status=11/SEGV

systemd[1]: citadel.service: Failed with result 'signal'.

I'm new to Citadel, know some Linux and basic coding, but otherswise am stumped here. Not sure what to do, because I'm not entirely sure what's going on. It mentions a "segfault," which sounds like some sort of illegal memory issue. Maybe it's a permissions based issue, but I haven't knowingly changed any on that box. Just rebooted, and that was it.

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated as I'm stuck.

Cheers,

JP

 

 

 


[#] Fri Sep 22 2023 15:50:56 EDT from nnitrus

Subject: Re: installing on AmazonLinux (or any ARM, really)

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I get a similar error on Ubuntu:

  This is a NEW Citadel installation. 

 Installation will now begin. 

find: '/usr/local/ctdlsupport': No such file or directory

find: '/usr/local/ctdlsupport': No such file or directory

find: '/usr/local/ctdlsupport': No such file or directory

find: '/usr/local/ctdlsupport': No such file or directory

 Do you want Easy Install to attempt to install your OS dependencies? Y

sh: 319: [: Debian: unexpected operator

sh: 332: [: Debian: unexpected operator

 



[#] Fri Sep 22 2023 16:19:58 EDT from Nurb432

Subject: Re: installing on AmazonLinux (or any ARM, really)

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Docker supports ARM.

 

( cant believe im suggesting docker.. )



[#] Fri Sep 22 2023 20:50:03 EDT from Nurb432

Subject: Re: installing on AmazonLinux (or any ARM, really)

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i guess i should have added, that 'real' ARM hardware does work.  One of mine is being used to test builds with..

Not knowing AWS, but i wonder if their stuff is 'different' than the rest somehow. 

Fri Sep 22 2023 16:19:58 EDT from Nurb432 Subject: Re: installing on AmazonLinux (or any ARM, really)

Docker supports ARM.

 

( cant believe im suggesting docker.. )



 



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