This is one of the biggest lies of the Left... that "straight white males," see any erosion of their dominant position in society as "racism" against themselves. That is how that is framed. 

I can guarantee you - that over the last 40 years, a consistent message that straight white males, the Western European Christian Patriarchy -  is the root of all problems in society - has absolutely not just "diminished the power and influence of straight white males," in society - but has been the foundation of the slow erosion of our civilization and society. Since the 70s, the Left has blamed *everything* on the White European Patriarchy or some variation of that boogey-man. From civil rights to global climate change - all of it is caused by supposedly "wealthy white oligarchs" with no regard for anything but their own wealth and with an active agenda to steal every facet of the contributions of people of color and alternative sexual attraction for their own benefit. 

Her side HAS been winning - and it HAS made it a worse world not just for me - but even for the people it originally claimed to be trying to move ahead. If they ever were - it is clear that 50 years of progressive social programs hasn't moved the needle in a positive direction. In fact, OBAMA was the biggest setback to racial harmony in the United States in my lifetime. A complete disaster for race relations that had been steadily improving since the 1964 Civil Rights act. 

People of color and members of the LGBT community consistently claim they live in the WORST time in history to be members of that group - when in fact, there has been no BETTER time to be a member of one of those groups. 

Sat Dec 06 2025 17:55:05 UTC from Nurb432

You would be just fine if her side wins.  

 

She'll also be fine if my side wins. We might call her lifestyle abhorrent, or otherwise criticize her life choices - but my side, you know - we're not the ones shooting people in the neck for wanting to SAY things that the other side doesn't like to hear. There are these constant claims that we would prefer a world like the Handmaid's tale. No. Not at all - some of the religious the other side supports though - ALREADY have that system in place where they dominant government and social norms. 

I think you misunderstand her position. Her biggest thing is to leave everyone alone to do their own thing and work together to improve everyone's life in the process. Just don't take your differences to negatively impact others. Which includes waving flags in peoples faces and forced acceptance.. shes not one of those.  "ya, since you ask, i am, have a nice day" and moves on.  Actually, any of my friends ( whom most are gone now ) that were 'alt' ( in any reason.. not just preferences ) were that way. They were not looking for 'acceptance' just be left to live their life. If they were flag wavers and 'force you to accept me' types then they wouldn't have been a friend.

Even her religious attitude is the same "believe and practice what you want, just dont enforce it on others".    Now, mine, on the other hand is a bit less tolerant, in attitude. 

But next time she is around, she can explain herself better than i.

Sun Dec 07 2025 02:12:47 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

This is one of the biggest lies of the Left... that "straight white males," see any erosion of their dominant position in society as "racism" against themselves. That is how that is framed. 

I can guarantee you - that over the last 40 years, a consistent message that straight white males, the Western European Christian Patriarchy -  is the root of all problems in society - has absolutely not just "diminished the power and influence of straight white males," in society - but has been the foundation of the slow erosion of our civilization and society. Since the 70s, the Left has blamed *everything* on the White European Patriarchy or some variation of that boogey-man. From civil rights to global climate change - all of it is caused by supposedly "wealthy white oligarchs" with no regard for anything but their own wealth and with an active agenda to steal every facet of the contributions of people of color and alternative sexual attraction for their own benefit. 

Her side HAS been winning - and it HAS made it a worse world not just for me - but even for the people it originally claimed to be trying to move ahead. If they ever were - it is clear that 50 years of progressive social programs hasn't moved the needle in a positive direction. In fact, OBAMA was the biggest setback to racial harmony in the United States in my lifetime. A complete disaster for race relations that had been steadily improving since the 1964 Civil Rights act. 

People of color and members of the LGBT community consistently claim they live in the WORST time in history to be members of that group - when in fact, there has been no BETTER time to be a member of one of those groups. 

 

Sat Dec 06 2025 17:55:05 UTC from Nurb432

You would be just fine if her side wins.  

 

 

Well dammit. i had done a reply to this, and as i hit submit, https died. So lost it all.  Soooo 2nd attempt, but much shorter.

Since you missed the arguments about this stuff earlier in the year, cliff notes version: 

• I dont care what people believe. I may disagree with you but if you want to believe in the magic octopus, or that the earth is flat. More power to you.
• I also dont care what people do on their own time, in their own homes.  You want to eat spaghetti and pay tribute to the FSM, while wearing a callendar on your head an an eye patch, great. Want to put black marker on your forehead, skip dinner, and dance around, great. go for it.  Want to dance around a campfire and chant? Sure, i wont stop you, have fun.
• However, dont camp out on the street corner and toss pamphlets at me. Don't go to my door selling your particular deity, i will call the cops. Its illegal here to solicit without a licence, or ignore my sign. You get fined. And i have called. Keep it to yourself please.
• BUT: Since childhood i have felt that organized religion was nothing more than a fleece and power-grab. ( and only reinforced as i got older ) They use threats and actual violence to enforce compliance, just like any other organized crime syndicate. They should be treated as such.

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Sun Dec 07 2025 15:11:04 UTC from Nurb432

  Now, mine, on the other hand is a bit less tolerant, in attitude. 

 

 

I think people can't look at this statement rationally, impartially - because of the "Nazi" part of it. I wish I could come up with a better analogy to make people see what I mean here. It isn't support for the Nazis or fascism. But if you say, "unless you accept you are a villain, you ARE a villain," and the other side is saying, "we do not see you as a villain, we see you as hope and progress," 

Which side is going to be more appealing to you? 

Russell Brand has moved right and now is a Christian. Bill Maher has moved somewhat right. Rosanna Barr has moved right. The Left alienates people on their own side on the smallest disagreements with their ideology.  

I am not what is wrong. But if it comes down to taking a side right now - one side wants to win and make me repent for sins that I did not commit. The other side wants to put me on a pedestal. Which side would YOU take? 

See also: Elon Musk.

He did his best to stay neutral.  The right said "here's where we agree with you; here's where we disagree."  The left said "unless you condemn everyone we call a nazi, you are also a nazi!"   And over the past year or two, as a result, we've seen Elon move more and more over to the side where people think rationally.  He wasn't a right winger at first.  The left made him one.

What he said is close enough, going to stay out of political stuff.   Only thing ill add is that I'm really not on any 'side' politically and socially, and i judge people independently by their actions. That and i'm more of a 'to each their own, just don't impact others, or nature'.

Sun Dec 07 2025 15:11:04 UTC from Nurb432

 

 

But next time she is around, she can explain herself better than i.