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[#] Wed Oct 07 2020 19:20:15 EDT from LoanShark

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-1th law? I'm familiar with the Zeroth Law (read all the damn books as a teenager), but that's new to me

[#] Thu Oct 08 2020 17:32:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Most of the time I meet somebody who describes himself as a Humanist, he is a totalitarian using a benevolent disguise.

Some of those folks are just militant atheists in disguise.  My favorite example is the "free thought" movement.  Those people claim to be free thinkers, but in that group you're only allowed to think freely if it leads you to strict atheism.

Full disclosure: I am fully confident that my religion is the only true one and everyone else is wrong.  I just don't feel inclined to be an asshole about it to everyone I meet.  Doing so wouldn't serve any useful purpose.



[#] Thu Oct 08 2020 17:37:28 EDT from LoanShark

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I actually think humanism has a rather conservative bent. It's the belief that we optimize for the human race (which is kinda the opposite of what PETA types believe...)

[#] Thu Oct 08 2020 20:02:30 EDT from zooer

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I read about a local skeptic club, I realized it was a front for the religion of Atheism. 



[#] Thu Oct 08 2020 20:29:30 EDT from LoanShark

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I don't believe you.

[#] Fri Oct 09 2020 05:31:14 EDT from zooer

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Welcome to the club.



[#] Fri Oct 09 2020 18:26:09 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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belief that we optimize for the human race (which is kinda the opposite

of what PETA types believe...)

Assuming that PETA types will tend to be atheists as well, that would seem to make sense.

Christians and Jews know that God said "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creps on the earth" [Genesis 1:26].

And the most devout among us know that if God hadn't intended for animals to be eaten, He wouldn't have made them out of meat.

[#] Sat Oct 10 2020 13:48:32 EDT from darknetuser

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2020-10-07 19:20 from LoanShark

-1th law? I'm familiar with the Zeroth Law (read all the damn books as

a teenager), but that's new to me



I think -1 law belongs to some Asimovian fanfiction which is regarded as semi-official regardless of the fact it was not very good.

[#] Sat Oct 10 2020 21:15:33 EDT from LoanShark

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Couldn't even find it on the googles. Oh well.

[#] Mon Nov 16 2020 01:39:16 EST from nonservator

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I find "Despair is a sin" to be a useful heuristic without necessarily needing to believe in the literal truth of the statement.

 



[#] Mon Nov 16 2020 05:56:52 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Thu Oct 08 2020 17:32:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Most of the time I meet somebody who describes himself as a Humanist, he is a totalitarian using a benevolent disguise.

Some of those folks are just militant atheists in disguise.  My favorite example is the "free thought" movement.  Those people claim to be free thinkers, but in that group you're only allowed to think freely if it leads you to strict atheism.

Full disclosure: I am fully confident that my religion is the only true one and everyone else is wrong.  I just don't feel inclined to be an asshole about it to everyone I meet.  Doing so wouldn't serve any useful purpose.



We think so much alike on issues like these, it is scary that we both ended up hermits hiding in smoky back rooms of the Internet in bad neighborhoods, in back alleys, off the information superhighway...