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me, i've always felt comfortable here, even though i tend to lean left. any idea is worth a debate, in my opinion, even if i positively don't agree with it. sometimes formulating your own argument against it makes you realize that you're mising the picture completely. always have an open mind.
what i don't like are people who just regurgitate whatever comes to them from the news, or faecesbook, or wherever. think through it. look at the source material, if you can. make up your own damn mind. and if you don't want to do that, or don't have time, keep your trap shut and listen to others who know. you might learn something.
LibreNMS is great. I like it a lot better than Zabbix for monitoring things - it's much less chatty in terms of alerts, and has saner defaults.
I don't get a lot of news, or follow a lot of social media positions on whatever topic - Palestine or Ukraine or whatever is going on with daycares in Minnesota or whatever.
I come up with my own position pretty independently. It seems to most often align with the "rhetoric" of "my side" - the lean Right. There is this theory that Right or Left is genetic - hard wired - that you're predestined to agree with where your genetic predisposition will lead you.
My experience is that this must be true - because when I do catch up with the news, I always find myself going, "well, duh - I was already there - before I read this article."
It seems OBVIOUS to me - people are going to agree with our without the media, the programming - the nudge - with what affirms what they already believe - Left or Right.
But - just because we're genetically predisposed to agree - doesn't mean I'm not RIGHT, and you're not wrong. My genetic predisposition to the truth is just as strong as your predisposition to the wrong.
;)
But I don't hate you just because you are genetically predisposed to be wrong. I just follow the science.
maybe the continued cold in the east has frozen people's fingers or brains so they either don't have anything to say or they can't type it out.
me, i've always felt comfortable here, even though i tend to lean left. any idea is worth a debate, in my opinion, even if i positively don't agree with it. sometimes formulating your own argument against it makes you realize that you're mising the picture completely. always have an open mind.
what i don't like are people who just regurgitate whatever comes to them from the news, or faecesbook, or wherever. think through it. look at the source material, if you can. make up your own damn mind. and if you don't want to do that, or don't have time, keep your trap shut and listen to others who know. you might learn something.
Have I mentioned how much I love ALL of you?
Yeah - now we just have to convince the people we're not in lockstep with - that even if we disagree - loudly - we respect their right to disagree.
We're just not wanting to have to pull our punches because our opinion isn't aligned with their opinion.
They can call me a fascist, an idiot, a puppet, a mindless pawn - whatever they want. I'm so secure in my position I can take the sting of their dismissal of what I believe - no matter how they frame it. I am confident that I have researched my position enough to feel secure in it.
When I attack their position - unless they can dogpile me 10:1 - it seems like they'll leave and go find somewhere else where people agree.
So, they're off to reddit to live in an echo chamber - while I am sitting here wanting well thought out rebuttals that make me question my position.
Maybe they're lurking - and maybe I can taunt them back into posting - because traffic is life on an online forum. As long as we're TALKING - things are moving forward. If one side simply won't continue to argue with those they disagree with - that is where the danger lies.
And that's the point, we're here to chew the fat with fellow netizens at the corner pub, not to rage like a bunch of overdrugged lab rats so Zuck gets more ad revenue.
Have I mentioned how much I love ALL of you?
In my case i was not lurking, that is not my way. Between what i said before i left, and being busy, i was not lurking. However, i had some free time and did stop in this morning, as you can see. Also, in my case i'm not here to argue. As such, it has nothing to do with "moving towards an echo chamber", i simply got tired of the personal insults. If those cease, i can stay. If they cant, then i cant.
Yeah - now we just have to convince the people we're not in lockstep with - that even if we disagree - loudly - we respect their right to disagree.
We're just not wanting to have to pull our punches because our opinion isn't aligned with their opinion.
They can call me a fascist, an idiot, a puppet, a mindless pawn - whatever they want. I'm so secure in my position I can take the sting of their dismissal of what I believe - no matter how they frame it. I am confident that I have researched my position enough to feel secure in it.
When I attack their position - unless they can dogpile me 10:1 - it seems like they'll leave and go find somewhere else where people agree.
So, they're off to reddit to live in an echo chamber - while I am sitting here wanting well thought out rebuttals that make me question my position.
Maybe they're lurking - and maybe I can taunt them back into posting - because traffic is life on an online forum. As long as we're TALKING - things are moving forward. If one side simply won't continue to argue with those they disagree with - that is where the danger lies.
If you don't log in to Uncensored a couple of times a week, the terrorists win.
(terrorists == zuckerberg et al)
Zoe, I'm glad to see you back. Please don't take passionate disagreement with personal insults. I've been extra conciliatory in my last several posts. If you can only remember the times we've had heated exchanges where I have been a little less than polite despite repeated attempts to reassure you that I am open minded to our basic disagreement on fundamental issues - at some point I have to say that doesn't appear to be on me. You've yet, to my mind - to return the olive branch to me that I have extended to you - but I'm not troubled by that, nor would I let that make me leave this place.
On the other hand, I'm not a regular on Reddit - because it isn't a lot of fun being on a place where you're spitting into the wind and outnumbered by those in control who have a different opinion than you - so I do understand your position. It is difficult to continue to visit a place where the prevailing opinion differs radically from your own.
Ig - this comment, is another example where I wish I could just LIKE a comment without responding in detail. I don't have a lot to say about what you posted - but I'd like to be able to acknowledge simply that I agree by clicking a button. It is a feature of mainstream social media I do enjoy. I know you'll never add it - but a boy can dream.
If you don't log in to Uncensored a couple of times a week, the terrorists win.
(terrorists == zuckerberg et al)