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[#] Tue Apr 12 2016 11:55:49 EDT from destimond

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Testing



[#] Tue Apr 12 2016 17:48:56 EDT from zooer

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Did it work?  What are you testing for?  Radon? 



[#] Wed Apr 13 2016 08:38:49 EDT from wizard of aahz

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Fail

[#] Wed Apr 13 2016 12:15:26 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I wonder if radon could be used as a power source?

[#] Wed Apr 13 2016 13:01:13 EDT from LoanShark

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Testing "Attention Please" feel the tension soon as someone mentions me
here's my 10 cents my 2 cents is free
A nuisance, who sent, you sent for me?

[#] Wed Apr 27 2016 19:50:28 EDT from DigitalRabbit

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Good day,

I trust you are well.

 

I am currently an IT Manager within a Small-Medium Sized company that has 60 employees. I have recently embarked on a challenge on increasing collaboration within the firm and my search has led me to Citadel.

 

My current mailing environment is a Gentoo Linux Solution running Exim with Mailscanner on a stand-alone mail server. I am looking at virtualizing my environment using VMWare vSphere Essentials kit 6 and consolidating my servers into one server (yes; there's someone who hasn't done that yet in 2016).

I would greatly appreciate the assistance in answering the following:

1. Which Linux Server is best to deploy Citadel on top of?

2. Does it work on VMWare?

3. Can it handle multiple domains?

4. How does it intergrate with MS Outlook?

5. Do I need to reconfigure all my users laptops?

6. How does the Instant Messaging work?

7. How is it compared to MS Exchange?

 

Your assistance in clearingmy ignorance would highly be appreciated.

Regards.



 



[#] Thu Apr 28 2016 03:34:23 EDT from the_mgt

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Hello Mr. DigitalRabbit!

Wed Apr 27 2016 19:50:28 EDTfrom DigitalRabbit Subject: New User

My current mailing environment is a Gentoo Linux Solution running Exim with Mailscanner on a stand-alone mail server. I am looking at virtualizing my environment using VMWare vSphere Essentials kit 6 and consolidating my servers into one server (yes; there's someone who hasn't done that yet in 2016).

I'd prefer libvirt+kvm over that solution, but that is a matter of taste. Choose the tool that fits your needs best.

I would greatly appreciate the assistance in answering the following:

1. Which Linux Server is best to deploy Citadel on top of?

Most probably your maintenance experience will be best with plain Debian. The Debian guys do a very good job in maintaining the package.

I did maintain some Gentoo ebuilds (in sunrise overlay) which are sadly outdated. But I am planning to get back to that, maybe even this or the next month. RL kept me hostage.

2. Does it work on VMWare?

If your virtual machine runs smooth, it works like on the "real thing".

3. Can it handle multiple domains?

Yes, but john@doe.net and john@doe.com will share the exact same inbox. Each user on each domain will be identical. This might be a problem, if you want to have different contact@ or info@ or daBoss@ users for the different domains.

You might work around this by using multiple citadel servers on the same machine. Then you would need a postfix for smtp, which delivers different domains via different lmtp sockets to different citadel servers. But I currently do not remember how I handled the pop/imap side of this problem. I can check if you are interested in this scenario.

4. How does it intergrate with MS Outlook?

Currently, with the plain citadel server, you'd need to use pop/imap and you might be able to take in an ics calender via webcit. 

There are some 3rd party connectors, but try their test versions first.

On the long run, there are plans to improve this situation.

5. Do I need to reconfigure all my users laptops?

That depends on the current configuration, I'd say. If you can replicate a pop/imap configuration with citadel and you import all their old mail into that, you might be lucky and it will simply resync the inbox. I guess it will be more flawless with pop3 than with imap, but I haven't tried that with citadel myself. Only with other mailservers.

6. How does the Instant Messaging work?

Instant Messaging is XMPP and works in Pidgin.

7. How is it compared to MS Exchange?

Possibly the same way every other mail server compares to Exchange: If you drank the Outlook juice, Exchange integrates nicely. You will pay unreasonable fees and it will occassionally explode in all directions. Hopefully, you do not have to maintain the Exchange server yourself, but have somebody you can shout at to get it fixed ASAP. Fixing Exchange is like removing a tumor from your own brain or removing your own appendix. With a set of children's tools. Blindfolded and with one arm tied to your foot. In a blizzard.

Citadel on the other hand is free, does not take a full server rack of hardware and the power source that could run a small village. You also do not need a degree in MS fu to maintain it. From an Outlook point of view, it is as nice as any other non-Exchange server. You might get a better experience by using Thunderbird.

Your assistance in clearingmy ignorance would highly be appreciated.

Cheers, feel free to ask more specific questions if the ignorance persists. ;-) 



[#] Thu Apr 28 2016 04:18:23 EDT from the_mgt

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On the other hand, the future of Thunderbird remains uncertain: http://fossforce.com/2016/04/mozilla-step-closer-thunderbird-decision/

I'd rather see them dump Firefox and improve Thunderbird. Thunderbird excels in many places, compared to Outlook, but I do not feel really at home there. For an average "your moms" Email client it is too overpowered and unstructured, I'd prefer something like Opera's old M3 Mail client or even Apple's Mail for those tasks. I'd go so far that UI wise, MS Live Mail client from the MS Essentials package is better suited for a mom then Thunderbird, but ultimately, all MS products end up being faulty.

For example, the build-in mail client of Windows8 fucks up PDFs so badly, that you can't open them any more. And there is no fix to that, if you do not own the mail server. You have to imagine that, a major software manufacturer fucks up a combination of probably the two most heavily used and common softwares: mail and pdf. I solved it by installing the Live Mail client, but it looks odd on win8, due to its win7 ui.

From the solutions in the link above, I'd love to see the Document Foundation take over Thunderbird, they might have enough love and focus for such a project. Mozilla was important about 15 years ago, when you had to decide what to use instead of Netscape. Firefox, imho, was never a good browser, it was simply not Netscape and not IE and most people, especially self proclaimed but clueless german nerds fell for it.

I might be too biased since I always loved Opera and it's functions. If they had given more focus on the PIM aspects, by adding a calendar and some import/export functions to the contacts, they could have ruled the galaxy. I need to reinstall my main laptop soon, I am planning to abandon Opera and switch to Vivaldi. Let's see if they are able to invent a proper PIM solution.



[#] Thu Apr 28 2016 09:05:43 EDT from zooer

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I did not know about Thunderbird.  I use Gmail, but I have many email addresses that I use with Thunderbird.  When I used Windows I purchased PocoMail, I don't know what I would use if Thunderbird ceased in Linux and I am unsure what I would move my mother's Windows box over to.



[#] Thu Apr 28 2016 12:10:07 EDT from the_mgt

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@zooer: That doesn't mean it is going away. It is just in a low maintenance mode atm, because Mozilla Foundation focusses on yet another smartphone OS and the "improvement" of their browser. That is why they are searching for another home. Wether this home will have capabilities that are bigger than "we occassionally fix a reported bug" is the question.



[#] Fri Apr 29 2016 06:32:50 EDT from zooer

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Okay, I guess that is good.  I never liked the constant updates of rolling upgrades so if it is still around and upgrading less often that is a good thing.



[#] Fri Apr 29 2016 08:53:23 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

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Kick out the jams motherfuckers!

[#] Fri Apr 29 2016 13:00:19 EDT from zooer

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ahhh! puck-puck-tish! puck-puck-tish! puck-puck-tish!  BRING ON THE BREAD, this aint no jelly, this here is a JAM! puck-puck-tish! puck-puck-tish! puck-puck-tish!



[#] Fri Apr 29 2016 16:00:49 EDT from wizard of aahz

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Ragnar?????

[#] Fri Apr 29 2016 16:01:07 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

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Aahz?????

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