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[#] Wed Aug 02 2023 15:38:48 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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In that case, people should learn their shit and become successful OUT OF SPITE.

Wed Aug 02 2023 14:41:57 EDT from Nurb432

You can more easily dominate, control and dictate to failures than you can successes.

 



[#] Wed Aug 02 2023 16:10:05 EDT from Nurb432

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That does happen, but seemingly only after a couple generations of severe oppression.    



[#] Sat Aug 26 2023 11:16:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Tytler cycle?

[#] Sat Aug 26 2023 12:34:35 EDT from Nurb432

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They say if you cant have what you want, be happy with what you have.  Aside from sounding like socialism, what is the point of even trying if you can do that?



[#] Sat Sep 02 2023 09:32:07 EDT from Nurb432

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"While the the survey found that the majority of millennial workers are still motivated by their companies’ missions, a majority of Gen X workers said they are over it. Specifically, when asked if their company’s “mission and values are more motivating than they were pre-pandemic,” 56% of millennials said yes as did 47% of Gen Z. But just 38% of Gen X workers agreed with the statement."

 

I was not polled for this survey, but i do agree. At lot of us are 'over it'. And i dont think its that we are aging, its the world has changed into something we dont support.

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https://www.fastcompany.com/90947946/gen-x-employees-tech-culture-disillusioned-jobs



[#] Sat Sep 02 2023 19:27:07 EDT from zelgomer

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2023-09-02 13:32 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
"While the the survey found that the majority of millennial workers
are still motivated by their companies’ missions, a majority of Gen
X workers said they are over it. Specifically, when asked if their
company’s “mission and values are more motivating than they were
pre-pandemic,” 56% of millennials said yes as did 47% of Gen Z. But
just 38% of Gen X workers agreed with the statement."

 

I was not polled for this survey, but i do agree. At lot of us are
'over it'. And i dont think its that we are aging, its the world has
changed into something we dont support.

Source:

https://www.fastcompany.com/90947946/gen-x-employees-tech-culture-disi

llusioned-jobs


What is it like to be motivated by your employer's mission? Unless we're talking about the mission to grow my salary, that's never been me. I've always had trouble seeing eye to eye with the spikey haired managers and the HR drones, because I don't have a good answer to "what part of our product are you most interested in working on?" I honestly don't give a shit whether I'm building killer robots for Elon Musk or traffic lights or Barbie's Virtual Dreamhouse for the Metaverse. What motivates me is that when I'm done I feel like I had the opportunity to make the best thing possible in the least amount of code, that I didn't have to use Java, Python, or C++ to do it, and that I got paid.

And lately those requirements have manifested secondary requirements. E.g., I no longer want to work on a team because I inevitably hate their contributions to the project (often adding Java, Python, or C++) which diminishes my ability to feel proud of the end result. And I don't mind dwelling on a thing to become an expert at it or to perfect it. I think my manager keeps throwing new stuff at me because he's afraid I'll get bored and leave, but all it does is frustrate me because I feel like I never get to finish a thing.

I know that based on my birth year I'm supposed to be a millinnial, but there must be some mistake because I sure don't represent what I keep hearing about millinnials.

[#] Sun Sep 03 2023 03:09:09 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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I am also technically a millenial.  There are some diffurrences between the early 80's/90's kittens and the later millenials.

Sat Sep 02 2023 19:27:07 EDT from zelgomer

What is it like to be motivated by your employer's mission? Unless we're talking about the mission to grow my salary, that's never been me. I've always had trouble seeing eye to eye with the spikey haired managers and the HR drones, because I don't have a good answer to "what part of our product are you most interested in working on?" I honestly don't give a shit whether I'm building killer robots for Elon Musk or traffic lights or Barbie's Virtual Dreamhouse for the Metaverse. What motivates me is that when I'm done I feel like I had the opportunity to make the best thing possible in the least amount of code, that I didn't have to use Java, Python, or C++ to do it, and that I got paid.

And lately those requirements have manifested secondary requirements. E.g., I no longer want to work on a team because I inevitably hate their contributions to the project (often adding Java, Python, or C++) which diminishes my ability to feel proud of the end result. And I don't mind dwelling on a thing to become an expert at it or to perfect it. I think my manager keeps throwing new stuff at me because he's afraid I'll get bored and leave, but all it does is frustrate me because I feel like I never get to finish a thing.

I know that based on my birth year I'm supposed to be a millinnial, but there must be some mistake because I sure don't represent what I keep hearing about millinnials.

 



[#] Sun Sep 03 2023 08:24:39 EDT from Nurb432

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Sure, there is always overlap, its not like it changed on a dime.  And there are always exceptions too..

I was *almost* boomer, so i'm sure some of my attitudes/tendencies reflect that. 

Sun Sep 03 2023 03:09:09 AM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

I am also technically a millenial.  There are some diffurrences between the early 80's/90's kittens and the later millenials.

 


 



[#] Sun Sep 03 2023 18:56:05 EDT from fandarel

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I find myself mostly motivated by accepting challenges and overcoming them.
Solving difficult problems. Making things work when the documentation is abysmal and the developers are morons. Getting a difficult customer to trust me and my solutions. After 25 years, my expectation is that I will keep finding interesting problems to solve, and they will keep paying me, a bit more each year. In exchange I'm willing to solve harder problems, which I would do anyway. Because it bugs me when I can't solve something.
I have tried people problems, as I'm a manager now, and I'm quite certain I like technical problems better. There ain't no "solving" people. Usually my solution is to tell them, in the most PC way possible, to get the heck out of the way and let someone with a clue (me) get er done.
I'm supposed to be GenX but I don't find those labels fit very well.

[#] Sun Sep 03 2023 19:06:24 EDT from Nurb432

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That is why i have avoided that during my time at the current job.  I managed some hardware/network field techs, and some call center folks for a bit, and while they were great people, i was not fond of sitting around "giving directions"...

 

Sun Sep 03 2023 06:56:05 PM EDT from fandarel
 as I'm a manager now, and I'm quite certain I like technical problems better. 

 



[#] Mon Sep 04 2023 19:41:59 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I am also technically a millenial.  There are some diffurrences
between the early 80's/90's kittens and the later millenials.

Yeah, the older ones are making the transition to "you know what, it sucks to pay taxes to fund someone else's shit" ... but they are historically *late* in getting there compared to other generations.

I am early Gen X (1971) and I believe in what my company does. We are a company of about 900 people, I love what I do, and I want to help it succeed.
Perhaps I am the exception. It doesn't hurt that that the company has been very good to me. I have good pay, excellent benefits, and tons of vacation time. I am treated well, respected for what I do, and listened to. The company has a good culture with an intentional work/life balance.

And yes we are hiring.

[#] Mon Sep 04 2023 20:05:05 EDT from Nurb432

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The company before this one that i am at now, i felt that way. Finally found my 'home'.   ( yes, technically i'm not with a "company" now, but for this discussion, its the same idea )

Until it was intentionally destroyed, and ruined it for all of us. As of last week, the building is still empty, some 22 years later.  ( dont worry, i wont get into that rant about land development when there is unused space.. )

Mon Sep 04 2023 19:41:59 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
 I believe in what my company does. We are a company of about 900 people, I love what I do, and I want to help it succeed.


 



[#] Fri Sep 08 2023 17:36:02 EDT from Nurb432

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Another Friday. Another end of a week. Another week gone, nothing accomplished. How many more Fridays do i have left?



[#] Mon Sep 11 2023 16:57:06 EDT from darknetuser

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And yes we are hiring.



If the company offers boarding programs for employees' horses, I am game.

[#] Wed Sep 13 2023 12:20:44 EDT from Nurb432

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"everyone needs a cat in their life"

"or 10"

 

( after seeing a picture sent to me of a cat by a friend  " oooooo a new cat for you"  "no" )



[#] Sun Sep 17 2023 20:21:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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If the company offers boarding programs for employees' horses, I am
game.

The CEO owns two private jets, does that count?

[#] Wed Sep 20 2023 22:19:55 EDT from zelgomer

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2023-09-18 00:21 from IGnatius T Foobar <ajc@citadel.org>
If the company offers boarding programs for employees' horses, I am


game.

The CEO owns two private jets, does that count?


How does he fly them both at the same time?

[#] Tue Sep 26 2023 08:59:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Well he owns at least three companies so he actually doesn't have enough airplanes.

[#] Wed Oct 11 2023 12:33:36 EDT from Nurb432

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It is a shame we all dont live closer, as long as we dont order pizza, i bet mist of us would enjoy hanging out together. 



[#] Sat Oct 28 2023 21:31:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I like to bitch and moan about non-NY pizza but the truth is, except in Delaware, pizza is one of those "when it's good it's really really good, but when it's bad it's still pretty good" things.

There's also the small matter of some of the folks here prefer to keep their meatspace identities anonymous.

But yes, you're directionally accurate. When your favorite BBS was a local modem call away, meetups were a thing. Now we have the whole world together online with little hope of finding people geographically close.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

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