Democrats want to drop Joe Biden for Andrew Cuomo, poll finds.
(Never trust polls)
It makes sense, creepy senile old Joe vs Cuomo, Cuomo has a much better chance of winning.
Fauci: National "immunity ID card" may be needed
Meanwhile, from the galaxy brains of Michigan: Pot shops are open, delivering, and hiring to keep up with demand. Meanwhile, nurseries and gardening centers are declared "non-essential" as the critical spring planting window for seeds narrows to a close. Yes, let's fuck over farmers and food production right down to the backyard garden level. Truly, top fucking minds at work.
Are members of congress practicing social distancing? They shouldn't be sitting next to each other in the senate or the house.
2020-04-13 14:06 from IGnatius T Foobar
It seems like the governor of Michigan is trying hard to be the biggest
douchebag of all, even when Newsom and Cuomo are actually doing a
reasonable job right now. What is *with* her? Is she trying to draw
attention to herself?
What did she do?
"Last month, the governor actually threatened the licenses of medical professionals who prescribed the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for coronavirus patients. A week later, however, Whitmer was trying to secure supplies of HCQ from the federal strategic stockpile."
2020-04-14 08:52 from nonservator
"Last month, the governor actually threatened the licenses of medical
professionals who prescribed the anti-malarial drug
hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) for coronavirus patients. A week later,
however, Whitmer was trying to secure supplies of HCQ from the
federal strategic stockpile."
Thanks for the information.
It looks like there is no escape from politics.
Last thing I have heard from them is that the Spanish government is socializing the protection equipment firms had secured for their own workers.
It looks like there is no escape from politics.
I was pointing this out in the Health & Wellness room. A lot of people are aligning their opinion about HCQ with their opinion about President Trump, often with little to no knowledge of either.
So if I have a choice between siding with President Trump or siding with Bill Gates ... there is zero doubt about it, I know 100% that President Trump is going to look after my best interest more than Bill Gates does.
Quote of the day
"Facebook is Antifa disguised as a soccer mom."
-- Jordan Minn
This is the Health room, not the Propaganda room. Please try to keep it that way.
You've got it exactly backwards: I don't let the president color my view of the science; I let the science color my view of the president.
One side of this argument thinks they know more than the actual experts. The other doesn't.
One side of this argument thinks they know more than the actual
experts. The other doesn't.
It wasn't that long ago that the "experts" said masks don't work. Now they're mandatory.
I am trying, as politely as I can, to point out that no one has "science" on their "side". Using either word demonstrates cognitive dissonance at best, and politics masquerading as science at worst.
What we can all use right now is a little optimism, and right now I am choosing optimism. I am choosing the Power of Positive Thinking. Because right now it's all we've got.
It wasn't that long ago that the "experts" said masks don't work. Now
I am trying, as politely as I can, to point out that no one has
"science" on their "side". Using either word demonstrates cognitive
dissonance at best, and politics masquerading as science at worst.
Masks still aren't foolproof, but if they improve the odds a bit... that's why they're mandatory now, because we need all the help we can get.
Your second paragrapn is meaningless. What we have here is a situation where one of the two major political parties has consistently, as a general overarching pattern, demonstrated an anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti-expertise bent.
And then somebody comes along and tries to say "I don't understand the science, you don't either, in fact nobody does, not even the scientists..."
See, you can't say that--because it's meaningless.
Science is inexact and has limitations, but it is not just some useless thing that nobody understands that's being used fraudulently by the vast liberal conspiracy (conspiracy to save lives, LOL)
(How do you feel if your CEO comes in and tells you that he knows more about network routing than you do. That's sorta what this is like.)
The right-wing has adopted a consistent campaign of disinformation directed at the covid models. It's as plain as day. It's a coordinated, and consistent general pattern. And it fits the usual playbook: they employ a carefully-selected mix of fiction and out-of-context fact to mislead and cast doubt on the very idea that any of these predictive models have value.
"Optimism"? What we need now is, quite simply, Truth and Realism to guide our decisions. If we don't have those two things, we have nothing, and will only make bad decisions.
Your second paragrapn is meaningless. What we have here is a situation
where one of the two major political parties has consistently, as a
general overarching pattern, demonstrated an anti-intellectual,
anti-science, anti-expertise bent.
Yes, but we're not talking about the silly global warming scam that the democrats keep masquerading as science. We're talking about a response to the coronavirus.
See? I'm not qualified to say "science is on this side" AND NEITHER ARE YOU. Well, you can, but then you'd be doing exactly what you're asking the rest of us not to do. If you want to leave the politics out of it, you have to leave *everyone's* politics out of it, not just the people you disagree with.
If you want to be as neutral as possible, the only thing we can say at this time is that we're running at the same problem with a lot of different approaches, all of which have inconsistent and inconclusive results at this time. Making things worse is the fact that mouch of the reporting is people taking others out of context to make them look wrong.
24 hours ago, Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi were "experts".
That's right, we're not talking about global warming, which is a diffuse threat that doesn't feel "immediate" to anyone. We're talking about an accute and immediate and very real threat. So maybe it's not the best time for the usual right-wing anti-intellectual shtick.
This is not just about the science, this is about a very clear right-wing effort to make the science sound more confusing and confounding than it really, to cast doubt where relatively little actual doubt exists, and so on.
Lie number one was when they came out with their stupid chalkboard meme on facebook, that misleadingly reduced covid to just an R0 number.
Lie number two was when they claimed that Ferguson "admitted his model was wrong" while neglecting to properly inform readers about the background.
Lie number three was Fox News demogoguing about how Americans "should be angry" that model output had changed. Imagine that--being angry at a set of numbers!
So it goes. It's all just a right-wing campaign of deceit.
Subject: The left’s ‘listen to the science’ mantra is growing old.
Reprinted from American Thinker, an excellent non-hysterical blog. They published this today, an excellent rebuttal of the left's "muh science!" meme.
The left’s ‘listen to the science’ mantra is growing old. Trump listened and that’s the problem.
One of the left’s standard attacks on the President is that he doesn’t listen to the science! Sadly, he did listen to the so-called experts who predicted wildly hyperbolic death and destruction and he agreed to the economic shutdown.
“An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field.” - Niels Bohr
The President surely realizes by now that he should have operated on his gut instincts which rarely fail him. Dr. Fauci, for example, sees no patients. He looks at computer models, all of which were wrong. Dr. Birx probably has more hands-on experience, but she too recommended closing up the nation. They were wrong.
Governor Cuomo was wrong when he whined that he needed 40,000 ventilators and thousands more hospital beds. Trump provided everything he demanded, but they were not needed. Cuomo has no common sense and sent Covid-positive patients into nursing homes rather than the Navy hospital ship or either of the two other Army-engineered field hospitals. This one order caused the deaths of fragile elderly people. Cuomo’s handling of the crisis in his city has been disastrous on every front. His state was the least prepared for such an event after bragging that New York was ready. It was not.
At every press briefing on the pandemic, the scientists to whom Trump has been listening have presented their data upon which the President has relied. But the numbers extrapolated from their models were all wrong. And now this mass hysteria that has brought the American economy to a full stop is devastating millions and millions of Americans.
Our Democrat politicians and the members of the media who show up at those briefings uninformed, aiming only to entrap the President, haven’t missed a paycheck or lost a dime. The millions of small businesses that have been shut down, many of them permanently, do not seem to enter their minds.
They have embraced this virus as though they’ve won the lottery; it’s another crisis they mean to exploit in every way possible. Their essential talking point? Blame Trump and claim he is ignoring science. That they think they are convincing anyone with half a brain would be amusing if it were not so deadly serious. Oh, they are convincing the uninformed, the headline readers, but our media is well and deservedly loathed by all thinking persons for good reasons.
So invested in concealing the actual science, YouTube took down a fascinating press conference held by two doctors in California about what they are seeing in their ER rooms. Their science was declared “misinformation” by the powers that be at Google/YouTube and they removed it because it deviated from the official talking points of the WHO. You can still see it here. Google/YouTube pretends that what the WHO says is legitimate when we and they surely know it is not; it is China that controls that institution.
We are perilously close to losing the rights guaranteed by our First Amendment – speech, religion and assembly. Zuckerberg is upfront about wanting the government’s approval of censorship of anything with which they disagree -- which means anything remotely conservative. The Atlantic magazine has virtually become a voice of China’s communist party, as has Bill Gates. It was his Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) that provided the models on which Drs. Fauci and Birx advised the shutdown of the country. So much for science. Pelosi throws the word around with abandon as if her party’s assertions that Trump has ignored it will stick.
But all those Americans who have been watching the briefings know the opposite is true; it is the science that has been faulty.
“Do you know what we call opinion in the absence of evidence? We call it prejudice.” (Michael Crichton)
It’s time for all the governors who care about their citizens to put an end to the lockdown. The longer it stays in place, the more permanent damage is done. It will turn out to be the biggest national mistake in US history, thanks to “the science.” President Trump needs to go back to trusting his own good instincts, for they are more dependable than the faulty science that has undergirded this fiasco. The fatalities are not very different from the seasonal flu last year or the year before.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” (Christopher Hitchens)
Trump banned flights from China after only one death here and was eviscerated for it. But that single act probably saved thousands of Americans from becoming ill with the virus. But the shelter-in-place orders were very likely ordered in error, not just because of inflated computer models but for the science of immunity. It may be setting up all those who sheltered to be vulnerable once released from their house arrest. Immunity always is derived from exposure, from letting our immune systems prepare for the inevitable attacks from countless viruses that surround us. The doctors from California were stating what George Carlin had to say in his 2009 comedy act on germs.
No doubt most of us have learned by now that doctors around the country are being pressured by their hospitals to classify any death throughout this event as a Covid death, no matter how many or how serious their underlying conditions may have been and, in some cases, even if they have not been tested for the virus. Not very scientific to pad the number of deaths; suddenly few are dying of heart disease, diabetes, pneumonia, stroke, etc. Many of those who have passed away during this pandemic will most likely be counted as a Covid death. That is due to politics – more deaths for which to blame Trump -- and financial; hospitals receive more money for every Covid death.
This will all soon be over, but the lockdown should never have been put in place and should be over today. Those most vulnerable to the illness should remain quarantined but they need not be isolated from their families if basic precautions are observed.
This has all been a very unscientific scam, an avenue for the left to institutionalize their socialist agenda, to destroy the ability of millions of Americans to support themselves and their families. Make them dependent on the government. Control what they can say publicly and online. This is all the stuff of fascism, not science.
President Trump rose to this occasion, confronted the ludicrous CDC and FDA regulations that initially prevented unapproved labs from distributing tests. The bitter media tried their best to undermine the use of hydroxychloroquine simply because Trump mentioned it as a possible cure; it is one of several. The same media trashed every study that proved it is very viable cure. It is the media and the Democrats who reject or ignore any “science” that conflicts with their political agenda.
“I Will Never Lie To You”
-- White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany
What if that statement is a lie?
I think Sarah Huckabee Sanders should have taken a flying leap from the podium and fist-fucked Jim Acosta right in his lying throat.