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[#] Tue Mar 25 2014 16:44:30 EDT from fleeb

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Some of those guys are on fire.

[#] Tue Mar 25 2014 18:38:22 EDT from Sig

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I'm generally opposed to banning words. The solution to bad speech is more, better speech. Samething for pie and guns.

[#] Tue Mar 25 2014 21:13:49 EDT from nristen

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Mar 24 2014 4:43pm from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
There's a big difference between being a bully and being a bossy bitch.



And let's be honest here, we all know what happens when you "ban a
word" -- you give it POWER. And then it becomes even more of a problem

because people know it has power and it gets wielded as a weapon by
people on both sides of any debate.

The correct approach is to *embrace* a word which takes away its power

to be used as a cudgel that people can be beaten with. Look at what
the gay community did by embracing the word "queer," for example.
Imagine how much better the world would be if the black community had

done the same with "nigger."



profound

[#] Tue Mar 25 2014 23:23:51 EDT from zooer

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Let's hear more about pie.

[#] Wed Mar 26 2014 11:27:11 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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In the socialist communist terrorist Obama administration, people who buy the pie ingredients now get a smaller and smaller slice of the pie, while those who passively demanded pie without working or paying for it get a larger slice.

Next?

[#] Wed Mar 26 2014 17:04:18 EDT from Ladyhawke

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1.  Pie is made with Butta.  The mo-ah Butta the betta the pie.

2.  In M-a$$-achusetts, there's a bill pending that would make it illegal for people in the midst of a divorce (read, legally separated) to date or have sex with someone else without the prior written approval of a judge.  The solution to this is also pie.  In the face.  A lot of it.



[#] Wed Mar 26 2014 22:41:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Let me guess, this bill is being pushed by the same communists who are always shouting that the government should get out of our bedrooms?

[#] Thu Mar 27 2014 10:31:39 EDT from zooer

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What if they have sex with the judge?

[#] Thu Mar 27 2014 13:10:49 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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That would "please the court"

[#] Thu Mar 27 2014 13:36:47 EDT from fleeb

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Hmm... would be a suggestive difference of meaning to the old Sammy RDavis Jr. bit.

[#] Thu Mar 27 2014 15:55:06 EDT from Ladyhawke

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Hey, I may have some fundamental differences with the Communists - but at least they actually like sex.  This time, the lunacy is actually the product of conservative morality.



[#] Thu Mar 27 2014 16:00:38 EDT from LoanShark

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1.  Pie is made with Butta.  The mo-ah Butta the betta the pie.

2.  In M-a$$-achusetts, there's a bill pending that would make it
illegal for people in the midst of a divorce (read, legally
separated) to date or have sex with someone else without the prior
written approval of a judge.  The solution to this is also pie.  In
the face.  A lot of it.

I hear they'll also be requiring a "get." Oy. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/22/us/a-wedding-amid-cries-of-unfinished-business-from-a-marriage.html

[#] Thu Mar 27 2014 17:53:23 EDT from Ladyhawke

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The problem of Aguna is a whole separate issue.



[#] Fri Mar 28 2014 07:38:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Aguna Matata?

[#] Fri Mar 28 2014 08:01:47 EDT from zooer

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Inna godda de vita?

[#] Fri Mar 28 2014 08:59:05 EDT from fleeb

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Vidi Veni Visa Mastercard?

[#] Fri Mar 28 2014 11:35:01 EDT from Ladyhawke

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fleeby, don't you know that everything related to Mastercard is Priceless? 

 

The word Aguna refers to a particularly nasty situation that occurs when a couple has both a Civil (secular) and Jewish wedding - EG, they are married by a a rabbi and sign a ketubah (Jewish wedding contract) and then later get Civally divorced - but the husband refuses to agree to a Get, or Jewish divorce.  This leaves the former wife Civally free - but religiously still chained to the ex-husband and unable to remarry from a religious perspective until the Get is issued. 

While there have been some cases of women refusing to grant a Get, it's an extremely small number.  Unfortunately, over recent years, the number of men refusing to grant Gets has been rising; apparently usually either out of spite or to blackmail the wife for something he wants (like full custody of children if that was denied by civil court).

Here are a couple of articles, if you're interested.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/613084/jewish/The-Agunah.htm

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/life/Life_Events/Divorce/Contemporary_Issues/Agunot/Potential_Solutions.shtml

http://www.jofa.org/sites/default/files/uploaded_documents/jofa_journal_summer_2005.pdf



[#] Sun Mar 30 2014 08:50:22 EDT from triLcat

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My f-i-l went off to work one day when my husband was 4 and didn't come home again until my husband was 19. My mother-in-law was unable to remarry for 15 years - I think like age 27-42... basically he denied her the option of having more children, rebuilding her life, etc...

Seriously tragic. And evil of him, imo.

 



[#] Sun Mar 30 2014 22:41:56 EDT from Freakdog <freakdog@dogpound2.citadel.org>

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I have a friend whose husband won't give her a get...sad, sad state of affairs.

[#] Mon Mar 31 2014 08:43:18 EDT from fleeb

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Yet again, religion sucks.

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