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[#] Sat Aug 28 2021 17:21:17 EDT from Nurb432

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Well, that is interesting. FBI finds ( or admits..they knew it all along ) no planning too place for the 'event' on the 6th.  Not heard this reported anywhere. Ran across this by accident.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/



[#] Sat Aug 28 2021 18:21:24 EDT from nonservator

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Here rather than Health and Wellness.

 

Mom keeps insisting on not respecting boundaries, bringing up subjects we had either explicitly or implicitly agreed were too volatile. She never likes my responses, no matter how reasonable and polite. She asked if I'd been vaccinated, I said no, she asked why, and I gave my now-standard response: "Because I'm a stupid evil redneck Nazi who doesn't believe in science." Now I was absolutely joking in my manner and not nasty in any way, but of course I got the few seconds of disapproving silence followed by the quiet sigh. You'd think her Bible was Dan Greenberg's classic "How To Be A Jewish Mother": "Let the child hear you sigh every day. If you don't know what he's done to make you sigh, he will." It's a variation on the sound she made when I said I wouldn't even get into the whole 'definition of vaccine' thing.

So despite our general moratorium on this crap in any venue, whether text or email or phone calls, she keeps emailing the occasional blurtings from the usual gang of idiots, ahem, Trusted and Reliable Sources - you know, the guys who denied and covered up the deliberate Soviet famines, and published lies about "weapons of mass destruction" literally because the Deep State fucking told them to. Remember that, Mom? Back when you and all those people were screaming NO BLOOD FOR OIL? So I get emails forwarded from the Walter Duranty Blog, and the Jeff Bezos Blog, and I do my best to ignore it. But I should have known she would take it as gospel when the FDA weighed in on ivermectin. Sends me some shit about why you shouldn't use that to treat Covid. I replied with nothing but a link to the 2-page PDF just published by the FLCCC entitled "On the Totality of Evidence":

 

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/SUMMARY-OF-THE-EVIDENCE-BASE-FINAL.pdf

 

I have never considered ivermectin a silver bullet or a miracle cure, nor have I ever referred to it in such glowing and uncritical terms. Ever since last spring when Karl Denninger's writing brought it to my attention, I've thought that it absolutely deserves broader and deeper investigation, and everything since then has only further strengthened my opinion. There's an overwhelming amount of evidence showing it to be incredibly safe after many years of human use, and the greatest risk in trying it appears to be limited to some people's bank accounts. And yet the more the evidence grows, the more vehement and irrational the reaction becomes against it and anyone researching it.

I then figured she might see a link to a PDF and think it was some huge long thing, so I let her know it was a mere two pages.

Her response was twofold. First she responded with another link, to MedPage Today, and the single line: "Clearly, this is a complicated issue. <x>, however, got vaccinated." Now I understand if she's busy but right off the bat that just sounded short, clipped and dismissive, a slightly longer way of hand-waving away actual discussion with "it's complicated". I replied: "And of course I would never condemn anyone for making the best possible decision with the best information they have. But I avoid discussion of this and many more issues because no matter how delicately I phrase anything, all people seem to hear is me calling them stupid."

A little later I get the party of the second part. To wit:

"Can't say I read every single word but enough to get a good idea."

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...of two not even full pages, written in pretty plain English and with a minimum of jargon? From someone with a fucking doctorate which requires among other things taking classes in formal logic?

That's pretty fucking weak, Mom.

And of course it's not like this PDF is the only thing I'm basing my decisions on. It just came out. But I think it makes a pretty tight case for saying "JUST BE HONEST AND QUIT IGNORING THIS SHIT BECAUSE IT'S CHEAP." My current general thinking: Don't be fat, don't be deficient in vitamin D, supplement with D3, C, zinc and quercitin, and consider ivermectin, nebulized hydrogen peroxide, and nitric oxide nasal spray as low-risk therapeutics.

But I am seriously, seriously disheartened at this level of incuriosity, inertia and sheer fucking laziness on the part of such an intelligent person. And if she continues down this path, I'll have to tell her that this more than anything is probably the reason we should stop trying to discuss these things. No matter how many caveats and addendums, no matter how nuanced and polite my discourse, no matter how reasonable and moderate my position, over the last seven years more and more people, some of whom have literally known me for decades, respond to my attempts as if I had started screaming that we need to throw all the queer brown people in concentration camps. And I'm done with that shit. And if my mom expects me to read every word of the fear porn she forwards from the Walter Duranty Blog and the Jeff Bezos Blog and whoever else she considered a Reliable Source, and then balks at a mere two fucking pages of plain English with minimal jargon and clear arguments, she can take her degree and crap it. 
 
 
Of course I won't be that rude, even if she pushes me. I still love her. But I might have to make it clear in no uncertain terms that this is not the way to have a discussion with me. Or for that matter, anyone else.


[#] Sat Aug 28 2021 19:11:28 EDT from Nurb432

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I know not all can do it, but a few of us ( both family and friends ) who disagree like that just agree not to bring things up.  The hard feelings are just not worth it. No one will change their mind, it just makes people angry.



[#] Sat Aug 28 2021 19:42:15 EDT from nonservator

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And we had agreed to that. But she keep pushing it. Which is why I may have to put my foot down as politely as I can possibly manage.



[#] Sat Aug 28 2021 19:46:16 EDT from nonservator

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And yes, I doubt I'll go so far as to tell her this, but the reason nobody gives a fuck about hypocrisy, double standards and false equivalence - yes, on the right as well, if nowhere near as widespread as the left's which is nearly universally defended by large power centers and cultural institutions - is very simple. In war, you hurt your enemies, and help your people. And people like my mother have no clue, and will brush off and rationalize away and ignore even the slightest and best sourced evidence of even the most mild insanity. That is, if they don't wholeheartedly defend it - in complete opposition to their own supposed enlightened and egalitarian values or even basic common sense.



[#] Sat Aug 28 2021 21:39:27 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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My sister said something outrageously partisan when I was in Sacramento. I just talked right past it, as if it hadn't even been said. She got a confused look - my adult niece, standing by, raised her eyebrows in a "I see what you just did," face. 

 

Sat Aug 28 2021 19:42:15 EDT from nonservator

And we had agreed to that. But she keep pushing it. Which is why I may have to put my foot down as politely as I can possibly manage.



 



[#] Sat Aug 28 2021 22:55:54 EDT from nonservator

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Definitely easier to do that with face to face, in person interaction. Which it's sounding more and more like I will never have again. And like I said recently, if I never get another hug from my mother because these fucking lying cunts have programmed her brain with fear porn, I will find it very hard to stay silent, or to refrain from punching someone in the mouth if they spew too much bullshit around me. This is not a good place to be.



[#] Sun Aug 29 2021 07:59:01 EDT from Nurb432

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Sorry to hear its going to turn out that way.

My family does not have that problem, however i have been involved with another family that was not so 'together' ( putting it mildly ) and it takes its toll, on everyone.

Sat Aug 28 2021 10:55:54 PM EDT from nonservator

Definitely easier to do that with face to face, in person interaction. Which it's sounding more and more like I will never have again. And like I said recently, if I never get another hug from my mother because these fucking lying cunts have programmed her brain with fear porn, I will find it very hard to stay silent, or to refrain from punching someone in the mouth if they spew too much bullshit around me. This is not a good place to be.



 



[#] Sun Aug 29 2021 16:24:39 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I'm finding friends on the Left - intolerable.

Guy who I've known for a long time, Left leaning - but old school in the sense that he generally applies, "Don't talk about sex, religion or politics..." in his life.

Recently he posted a meme - you've all seen it, showing a cut-away of what intubation looks like with a dire warning that this is what you face if you don't get vaxxed.


I called it out - with data. I provided links to the total number of global cases of the Alpha wave, the total number of hospital admissions, the total number of those that required ICU - I couldn't find hard data on how many of those required intubation. The point was - this is a very graphic, emotional, vivid, and unlikely example used to justify vaccination - and it doesn't reflect well on those demanding vaxxes when they use scare tactics not unlike Reefer Madness propaganda to get their way.

One of his friends, a Nurse - jumped all over me about how I didn't know. She had lost two of her patients. I should just sign a DNR so that healthcare doesn't waste resources when it happens to me.


So - you all pretty much know me at this point. She got it with both barrels.

Most savagely, "They weren't your patients, they were the attending physician's patients. You're just a nurse. Run along and change bedpans."

Of course, this created a SWARM of ugly nurses calling me "fucking ignorant". (By the way, this woman nurse - she could spell resuscitate - even with the help of spell check. She just kept saying DNR... she was also a "I told U Ur stupid" kind of girl.)

So, anyhow, ONE nurse goes, "Well, we see what your friend thinks of your career," to the guy who started the post.

And he goes, "I noted that..."

And I responded, "did you note that your friend basically suggested that I should just go die if I get sick? Did you note that all my data was cited and peer researched?"

Silence from him, of course. His friend telling me to go die was fine - he was willing to let that slide. But he was deeply offended that I noted the FACT that nurses aren't physicians.


Still waiting on his apology. Not holding my breath.

 



[#] Sun Aug 29 2021 16:52:27 EDT from Nurb432

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I think many really do hope that happens. No room for wrong thinking individuals on this planet:  "Conform or die. And quit quoting YOUR facts, they are not the same as ours. You are just wasting our resources and dont deserve them "( paraphrased a bit ) 

Reminds me of a friend/coworker, who will rename nameless ( even if the SS ask ) early in the campaign.  "When Trump and Pence comes to town this weekend, i hope someone blows up the entire town and kills them both, and everyone that went to see them. Ill help pay for it. Hell i should do it myself".  And yes, she was dead serious. I really didnt even have a response. Disliking a candidate is one thing ( even if you are stupid and believe the lies ), but hoping for death to 10s of thousands because they disagree with you...  

 

 

Sun Aug 29 2021 04:24:39 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions


I should just sign a DNR so that healthcare doesn't waste resources when it happens to me.

 



[#] Sun Aug 29 2021 20:36:43 EDT from Nurb432

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I hear the greenies are now attacking AC, 'its destroying our future'

F-them.  Don't like AC, turn yours off then, and leave me the hell alone.



[#] Mon Aug 30 2021 16:41:33 EDT from Nurb432

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Dammit.  Chinese are going to destroy the last pristine place on earth.   ( and ruin my retirement plans :) )

They are building military bases down there against all rules, and no one is doing a damned thing about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh0pndAfvlw



[#] Mon Aug 30 2021 20:18:28 EDT from Nurb432

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So the last plane left Afghanistan perhaps 3 hours ago. Leaving who knows how many of our citizens ( and allies ) behind to die, be sent into slavery, or used as hostages.

Now watch how fast the MSM moves on from this and calls it a "wonderful success of a rescue operation" ( that wasn't and should never have happened in the first place ).  And anyone left behind "well, everyone who wanted out...." I bet by Friday it will not be mentioned again and it will be back to "un-vaxed people are evil scum".   

So pissed i could scream.



[#] Wed Sep 01 2021 14:51:57 EDT from zelgomer

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Mon Aug 30 2021 20:18:28 EDT from Nurb432

So the last plane left Afghanistan perhaps 3 hours ago. Leaving who knows how many of our citizens ( and allies ) behind to die, be sent into slavery, or used as hostages.

Now watch how fast the MSM moves on from this and calls it a "wonderful success of a rescue operation" ( that wasn't and should never have happened in the first place ).  And anyone left behind "well, everyone who wanted out...." I bet by Friday it will not be mentioned again and it will be back to "un-vaxed people are evil scum".   

So pissed i could scream.



 

I think that photo of Biden looking at his watch as the caskets of dead marines were being unloaded off the plane should be the mascot of the 2022 Republican midterms campaign.



[#] Wed Sep 01 2021 16:36:02 EDT from Nurb432

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After what he has done, and how he has reacted, and some of his 'people' have responded, if anyone votes for any of them they are too stupid to vote. I also heard that Pelosi ( thru a surrogate so she could hide ) refused to let the names of those lost be read in the house.  ( not verified this, but it came from a reliable source. )  

These scumbags dont deserve to be citizens of this country. 



[#] Sat Sep 04 2021 09:32:50 EDT from nonservator

Subject: "Anti-vax" is a non-concept. Also retarded, fake and gay

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Saying "anti-vax" is fucking stupid. It's as stupid as saying "pro-vax". And saying either "anti-vax" or "pro-vax" is as brain shatteringly stupid as saying "anti-food" or "pro-food".



[#] Sat Sep 04 2021 10:32:32 EDT from Nurb432

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Oh, but its not stupid when you think of the larger picture and the true goals.  It helps compartmentalize people.  Drive a wedge further between us and cause more fear and uncertainty among the masses.

Black and white "with us or against us" labels do that well.  

Sat Sep 04 2021 09:32:50 AM EDT from nonservator Subject: "Anti-vax" is a non-concept. Also retarded, fake and gay

Saying "anti-vax" is fucking stupid. It's as stupid as saying "pro-vax". And saying either "anti-vax" or "pro-vax" is as brain shatteringly stupid as saying "anti-food" or "pro-food".



 



[#] Sat Sep 04 2021 13:20:13 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Identity politics. Divide people into tribes, and then set them to fighting one another. 

 

Sat Sep 04 2021 10:32:32 EDT from Nurb432 Subject: Re: "Anti-vax" is a non-concept. Also retarded, fake and gay

Oh, but its not stupid when you think of the larger picture and the true goals.  It helps compartmentalize people.  Drive a wedge further between us and cause more fear and uncertainty among the masses.

Black and white "with us or against us" labels do that well.  

Sat Sep 04 2021 09:32:50 AM EDT from nonservator Subject: "Anti-vax" is a non-concept. Also retarded, fake and gay

Saying "anti-vax" is fucking stupid. It's as stupid as saying "pro-vax". And saying either "anti-vax" or "pro-vax" is as brain shatteringly stupid as saying "anti-food" or "pro-food".



 



 



[#] Sat Sep 04 2021 18:12:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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 In war, you hurt your enemies, and help your people. And people like my mother have no clue, and will brush off and rationalize away and ignore even the slightest and best sourced evidence of even the most mild insanity.

Sorry to hear about your mom, nons... that is a shame and we have far too many people who allow themselves to be programmed by the mainstream narrative, even when it's counter to obvious common sense.

Your quote above is really really relevant, and too few people understand it.  We are at war.  When you are at war you have to destroy your enemy before your enemy destroys you.  There is no middle ground.  We are at war with China.  We are at war with Radical Islamism.  And we are at war with the elite whose continued power and wealth now depend on disenfranchising the rest of us.

Funny how the people who clamored loudest about "the 1%" are now the ones who clamor loudest about those of us who aren't willing to be enslaved to the 1%.



[#] Sat Sep 04 2021 19:30:49 EDT from Nurb432

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I would include liberalism/fascism in the war too.  I think that is different than the 'elite' who, yes are waging war against us.

Sat Sep 04 2021 06:12:41 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

 In war, you hurt your enemies, and help your people. And people like my mother have no clue, and will brush off and rationalize away and ignore even the slightest and best sourced evidence of even the most mild insanity.

Sorry to hear about your mom, nons... that is a shame and we have far too many people who allow themselves to be programmed by the mainstream narrative, even when it's counter to obvious common sense.

Your quote above is really really relevant, and too few people understand it.  We are at war.  When you are at war you have to destroy your enemy before your enemy destroys you.  There is no middle ground.  We are at war with China.  We are at war with Radical Islamism.  And we are at war with the elite whose continued power and wealth now depend on disenfranchising the rest of us.

Funny how the people who clamored loudest about "the 1%" are now the ones who clamor loudest about those of us who aren't willing to be enslaved to the 1%.



 



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