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[#] Thu Sep 26 2013 08:51:24 UTC from dothebart

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WHOHO. MSIE 11 is so standard compliant, that they removed the 'MSIE' string from the useragent, and made the isIE() function return false.

http://blog.smartbear.com/development/whats-new-for-developers-in-ie11/

lets see whether they finaly manage to catch up.



[#] Thu Sep 26 2013 15:29:35 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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I think the bigger deal here is that they are finally supporting WebGL. They fought against it for so long -- and their excuse was "it's insecure" HAH!
Microsoft claiming someone else's technology is insecure. That's rich. It's pretty obvious that they didn't like that WebGL is based on OpenGL, which is a blow to DirectX. But at this point it's looking like they had no choice but to support it -- being the only browser that doesn't support 3D web graphics would be even worse.

It's so much fun to see that web browsers really are becoming the universal application client now, even for the kinds of applications that the luddites said would never be able to go online.

It's also interesting that they've taken the "MSIE" and "compatible" tokens out of their user-agent string. It will be very frustrating if IE 11 has rendering bugs that web scripts cannot work around because they can't detect the presence of IE 11. It's very arrogant of Microsoft to say "our browser is so standards compliant we're going to lie to you and tell you that it's actually Mozilla."

I wonder if Microsoft's actual motivation is to hide the fact that their market share in browsers is crashing so badly that they want to make it difficult for anyone to figure out the actual number of users out there.

Any way you slice it, though, the message is clear: desktop computing is *over*. Good riddance!

[#] Thu Sep 26 2013 15:40:49 UTC from zooer

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I heard about software as a service years ago. I still don't want to trust my data to someone else's server.

[#] Thu Sep 26 2013 16:59:31 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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That's a common criticism, but it doesn't have to be relevant if you don't want it to.

Back when it was called "Network Computing" and its biggest proponents were Sun and Oracle, the Evil Desktop Establishment worked hard to knock it down.
Back then, it was assumed that the applications would run on *your* server.
The idea of trusting your data to a service provider was nascent.

Since then, the ubiquity of mobile has moved all of the variables around, mainly because the Big Established Players have realized that they need to make money somewhere, so "Teh Cloud" is the buzzword of the decade.

As the lead technologist for a non-Google, non-Microsoft, non-Amazon, non-Apple, non-Facebook data center provider, I am totally in agreement that "Teh Cloud" is a bad idea. But the technology itself is a good idea. The best possible outcome is to put your applications in *your* *own* cloud. Your servers, your data center, your people running it. But you get to take advantage of the fact that with this data model, you no longer have to do desktop support.

In short:

Windows desktops == bad

Not using Windows desktops == good

Clear as mud, right?

[#] Thu Sep 26 2013 17:39:10 UTC from zooer

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Some thoughts

Is there going to be a "Google drive... for your server." type of app?

I have been in areas without a network connection, what happens then? No cell phone service, no wifi, or network
connection.


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Speaking of which, with an andriod phone I noticed that when you lose cell phone service you also lose google maps.
I downloaded the maps a head of time so that I wouldn't need to be using bandwidth while traveling. When I lost the
cell phone service my android GPS couldn't tell me where I was. This is something I noticed and I will have to test
this, after making sure I have everything else correct.


I just put my android phone in "Airplane mode" and used Smart Tool's compass to see if the GPS location would come
up, and it did.
I have the county's map saved and it did appear but I was not moving so I don't know how well it would keep track of
that.

[#] Fri Sep 27 2013 00:03:07 UTC from Sig

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sdf.ortg is testing something caslled ownCloud which should replace many Dropbox functions. I may have to dig into it a bit.

[#] Fri Sep 27 2013 00:41:26 UTC from zooer

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Is this it?

http://owncloud.org/

[#] Fri Sep 27 2013 02:08:18 UTC from Sig

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Looks like it, yes.

[#] Fri Sep 27 2013 03:32:32 UTC from ax25

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I have been running it for about 6 months or so.  Seems fairly stable so far.  The thing I like is that you can get links to files from the web interface and post them to other systems (like wiki reference links), so you can keep your bulky files on one system and keep the wiki backup slim and trim :-)

There are a few UI bugs that I have found so far, but none of them show-stoppers, mostly annoying bits with alignment of buttons and clickable areas that should be easy to fix with css changes (but I am too lazy / busy to submit a patch).  It is pretty much a LAMP site (with PHP, and MySQL for the MP bits), and has an un-complicated install.  I like that fact coming from some slightly more complicated Ruby installs that try to do the same thing :-)

Have fun, and let me know if you do anything more interesting with it than I have done (file storage for internal company docs and sharing with select clients in different "folder" areas where we can limit access).



[#] Fri Sep 27 2013 03:33:05 UTC from ax25

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P. S. Micro$oft $ucks!



[#] Fri Sep 27 2013 11:36:18 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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ownCloud is basically just a WebDAV server with some nice UI wrapped around it for access by lots of different devices. I could see it useful in homes, small organizations, and other places where the humans have not yet evolved to the point where they can grok the extreme difficulty of that highly complex service called "a file server"

[#] Fri Sep 27 2013 19:24:42 UTC from ax25

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Fri Sep 27 2013 07:36:18 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
ownCloud is basically just a WebDAV server with some nice UI wrapped around it for access by lots of different devices. I could see it useful in homes, small organizations, and other places where the humans have not yet evolved to the point where they can grok the extreme difficulty of that highly complex service called "a file server"

Or a file server shared with clients with giant Photoshop (ick) files.



[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 16:28:32 UTC from Ladyhawke

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So, a combined bash/request for assistance:

 

Sys-admin friend of mine has put a dent in his forehead (and wall) trying to resolve an error experienced generating a certificate using SCUP 2011.

Error apparently reads:  "Publish: A fatal error occurred during publishing signature verification exception during publish, verify the WSUS certificates and the advanced timestamp setting are properly configured."

He has verified all noted above, tried updating (and even reinstalling) SCUP, not to mention double-checking process/entries, and hasn't found anything helpful in the forums.

 

Was hoping that maybe one of our resident geniuses might have seen this before and has some advice for resolving this issue (aside from the requisite "M$ sucks go to Linux")?

Thanks!



[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 17:50:37 UTC from dothebart

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maybe the computers clock is in the future?



[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 18:10:22 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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It's not "M$ sucks go to Linux" but rather "RTOOS" (Remove The Offending Operating System) and yes, that is the answer, even if the certificate will be used on a Micro$oft operating system.

Generate all keys and CSR's using OpenSSL. Save them offline. Best practice.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 19:16:02 UTC from Ladyhawke

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Mon Sep 30 2013 02:10:22 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
It's not "M$ sucks go to Linux" but rather "RTOOS" (Remove The Offending Operating System) and yes, that is the answer, even if the certificate will be used on a Micro$oft operating system.

Generate all keys and CSR's using OpenSSL. Save them offline. Best practice.

Sadly, he does not have that option (already proposed it and was denied), so he needs to somehow figure out how to resolve the error using SCUP. 

Any ideas?



[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 20:15:25 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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I suppose the question "how may I use the wrong tool for the job" is to be expected in a Micro$oft room :)

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 22:00:36 UTC from zooer

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I thought using the wrong tool for the job is what made corporate America run so well.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 22:50:33 UTC from fleeb

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As mentioned, is the clock synchronized to the correct time? That's kind of important when getting a certificate.

Not sure what else to suggest.

[#] Tue Oct 01 2013 11:53:50 UTC from dothebart

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otherwise use cygwin / openssl.



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