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[#] Tue Oct 19 2021 12:27:05 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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"Asians are being targeted for hate crimes!"

"GOOD! Run with that! Make sure everyone knows!" 

"But, uh, the perpetrators are almost exclusively African Americans!" 

"WHAT?!? Never mind... run something else!" 

Choose Your Team With This Awesome IMAX Poster For CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR

Tue Oct 19 2021 01:26:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Asians may be the target of attacks in this country, but at this point


I seem to recall that the #StopAsianHate campaign dropped like a rock once people started realizing that the majority of racist words and acts targeting Asians was not coming from the White Devils everyone loves to demonize.

 



[#] Thu Oct 21 2021 20:00:22 EDT from Nurb432

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I miss midrin.



[#] Mon Oct 25 2021 06:36:34 EDT from darknetuser

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In 2020 she was posting a bunch of rants on Facebook about how America

should be adopting Spain-style or Asia-style hard lockdowns. You know,

she was really quite upset about it. She'd say "of course it's
draconian, but it works, and it's exactly what we should be doing."



The problem with draconian lockdowns is they don't even work that well.


If you shut everything but food, energy and healthcare, food, energy and healthcare workers will go to work, may get infected there, will return home and get their families infected too.

I have first hand experience with hard lockdowns which didn't prevent Hospitals from being overloaded, so I am not exactly a fan of the argument that locked up countries are doing great.

[#] Thu Nov 11 2021 13:30:52 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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The original argument was that there would be a shortage of ventilators. Not only was there no shortage, but it was later discovered that ventilators make things worse so they try not to use them.

[#] Mon Nov 22 2021 14:51:43 EST from Nurb432

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Blah.  i think i caught a cold from the dentists office this last week. Sniffles. stuffy head. 

i was hoping it was just the weather as it rained Saturday.. but no..   no rain today, still have it.



[#] Mon Nov 22 2021 15:18:10 EST from test2

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interesting data.  love the final statement at the very end.  irony.

 

 



[#] Sun Dec 26 2021 09:12:16 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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So ... where are we now? Seems like the pharmas are encouraging more and more boosters when they're becoming less and less effective? My sources are probably just as one-sided as everyone else's, but it seems like the latest bug is now little more than a cold or mild flu. Are we finally on the precipice of herd immunity, much to the chagrin of those who want a pandemic to continue?

[#] Sun Dec 26 2021 09:20:45 EST from Nurb432

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5 booster shots a year required now, according to latest research. Can you imagine the money being 'redistributed'?  The entire thing has been a sham, id call it "herd stupidity" instead.

If logic does finally prevail and this hysteria dies out, they will manufacture something else.  The control/cash train will not be stopped now.

Sun Dec 26 2021 09:12:16 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar

So ... where are we now? Seems like the pharmas are encouraging more and more boosters when they're becoming less and less effective? My sources are probably just as one-sided as everyone else's, but it seems like the latest bug is now little more than a cold or mild flu. Are we finally on the precipice of herd immunity, much to the chagrin of those who want a pandemic to continue?

 



[#] Mon Dec 27 2021 15:43:12 EST from LoanShark

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2021-12-26 09:12 from IGnatius T Foobar

So ... where are we now? Seems like the pharmas are encouraging more

and more boosters when they're becoming less and less effective? My
sources are probably just as one-sided as everyone else's, but it seems

like the latest bug is now little more than a cold or mild flu. Are we

finally on the precipice of herd immunity, much to the chagrin of those

who want a pandemic to continue?



vaccines remain effective against omicron, although less so against transmission.

"milder" needs to be put in the proper context, because it's not the same thing as "mild." NYC hospitalizations are up sharply in the last few days.

[#] Tue Dec 28 2021 10:33:57 EST from LoanShark

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at this point, there is no more political will for any of the more draconian non-pharamceutical interventions (such as lockdowns)

we're getting back to normal so the economy can chug along.

y'all know my view on pharamaceutical interventions. they are an easy thing to do that will save lives and cost nothing to the economy

[#] Tue Dec 28 2021 16:39:37 EST from Nurb432

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Dont put money on that..  Especially as we approach the elections.

Tue Dec 28 2021 10:33:57 AM EST from LoanShark

at this point, there is no more political will for any of the more draconian non-pharamceutical interventions (such as lockdowns)



[#] Wed Dec 29 2021 10:48:49 EST from LoanShark

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2021-12-28 16:39 from Nurb432
Dont put money on that..  Especially as we approach the elections.

I'm sure that, by the time the election rolls around, you'll be able to point to some local jurisdictions, at least, that are still doing some things that you find to be obnoxious - excessive mask mandates or quarantines for kids or something...

I don't think it changes the core point I'm making. POTUS just said there's no possibility of a federal response now, and that reflects the lockdown-fatigue of the electorate. Everybody's tired. People want to get back to normal. People including most liberals.

We saw it before with Delta and we're seeing it again with Omicron - lockdowns aren't really working to get to a covid-zero policy anymore. Even New Zealand has given up on them. Because these viruses are so transmissible, we're kinda throwing up our hands and saying - "this is the new normal. deal with it."

That's what Americans want. China, on the other hand... it'll be interesting to see how long they stick with their present course, where one infection can shut down a whole global shipping port.

[#] Wed Dec 29 2021 12:02:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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That's about the sum of it. The argument to be made is that if we had done nothing, we would have ended up here sooner. The thing that makes it all sort of weird, though, is that hindsight is NOT 20/20. We aren't sure whether having done anything differently would have changed the outcome. So basically we have all sides saying "I told you so".

I can still confidently say though, that I would still prefer it everyone could make their own decisions instead of being compelled by others. My history with high cholesterol and a family history of heart disease tells me that the vaccines are a higher risk for me than the virus. And I'm ok with that.

"Feb 1, the public is done."

[#] Wed Dec 29 2021 16:46:17 EST from LoanShark

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others. My history with high cholesterol and a family history of heart

disease tells me that the vaccines are a higher risk for me than the
virus. And I'm ok with that.

dude, that's one messed-up risk calculation.

I've been hearing a bunch of nonsense coming from antivax twitter lately. The claim that the newest variant is inherently "milder" is confounded by incresing vaccine coverage which is making everything milder for everybody over time. So let's say maybe the virus is maybe 10% milder *inherently* (and I do believe it is milder), but the rest of the mildness comes from vax.

Covid infects cells that express ACE2 - this includes airway, lungs, kidneys, cardiovascular, GI, and maybe brain tissue to a smaller degreee. The virus itself is extremely dangerous to people with heart disease, for that reason; this has to be balanced against the risks of the vaccine which are objectively milder. When I was infected, my heart rate and BP were spiking wildly.

You're r decision-making is exactly backwards, IG.

[#] Wed Dec 29 2021 18:21:18 EST from darknetuser

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2021-12-29 16:46 from LoanShark
others. My history with high cholesterol and a family history of

heart

disease tells me that the vaccines are a higher risk for me than the


virus. And I'm ok with that.

dude, that's one messed-up risk calculation.

I've been hearing a bunch of nonsense coming from antivax twitter

lately. The claim that the newest variant is inherently "milder" is

confounded by incresing vaccine coverage which is making everything

milder for everybody over time. So let's say maybe the virus is maybe

10% milder *inherently* (and I do believe it is milder), but the rest

of the mildness
comes from vax.

Covid infects cells that express ACE2 - this includes airway, lungs,

kidneys, cardiovascular, GI, and maybe brain tissue to a smaller

degreee. The virus itself is extremely dangerous to people with heart

disease, for that reason; this has to be balanced against the risks of

the vaccine which are objectively milder. When I was infected, my heart

rate and BP were spiking wildly.

You're r decision-making is exactly backwards, IG.




I really can't share much because that would deanon myself, but authorities here have added a bunch of heart/circulatory effects to the list of known side effects of the jabs.

The risk is very low but it is also non trivial.

I don't follow Twitter or any media. My perception on the street is that I see about as much people screwed by the virus as screwed by reactions to the jab. By this I mean I am seeing more or less the same ammount of people cancelling appointments here because they got hit by the virus as people who is cancelling because they are trashed by the jab.

A friend of mine got neurological damage directly correlated to the thing.


What I mean is that people in certain collectives will benefit for taking the jab but for a whole lot of people it does not make so much sense. Hospotals here know perfectly well who are the demographics screwed over by the virus. The ones who are really screwed over seem to be screwed over regardless of their vaccination status (seriously, immunosupressed people here is taking a good pounding).

Given the fact the capability of the vaccine to prevent spread is very limited, I think campaigns for jabbing (shooting?) 100% of the population on the grounds that it is what it takes to prevent spread come across as money making schemes.


I mean, they used to say that 70-80% was all it took. Then a number of places reached the number and suddenly everybody needs to take it, or else we will all die...?

[#] Wed Dec 29 2021 18:32:57 EST from Nurb432

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Nature should have been allowed to run its course.

Naturally immune, dont get sick.  People that get sick. a large % will become permanently immune. People that take ( *experimental* ) vaccines, a % of those get a lesser and time limited immunity. The remainder die out of the gene pool.  Its the natural order of things.

 

And before anyone calls me heartless:

1 - its how nature works. Man is upsetting the balance and it really needs to stop. We are breeding weak. 

2 - we are talking about a virus with a less than 1% mortality rate in the first place. It is so significant that it didnt deserve the time of day, yet we disrupted the basic fabric of society over it.  we are freaking morons.

 

 

( hell i could even bring in the magic octopus if we dont want to talk science: Your deity placed this virus on the planet to wipe out less than 1% of the weak among us, so who are you to defy his wishes? )

 

 



[#] Wed Dec 29 2021 18:38:24 EST from Nurb432

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Ok ill give you the federal level that its unlikely to happen again.  Was taking it as you NO one would do it at all anywhere, and i had to disagree on that.  ( tho i wont put it past the feds to 'encourage' locals..  until facui is in prison, you still have him out there screaming his gospel from the mountain top )

but i agree, not really at the federal level, but it will happen at local level in some places. ( NYC, California, etc ).

Wed Dec 29 2021 10:48:49 AM EST from LoanShark
2021-12-28 16:39 from Nurb432
Dont put money on that..  Especially as we approach the elections.

I'm sure that, by the time the election rolls around, you'll be able to point to some local jurisdictions, at least, that are still doing some things that you find to be obnoxious - excessive mask mandates or quarantines for kids or something...



[#] Thu Dec 30 2021 09:51:23 EST from zelgomer

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2021-12-29 21:46 from LoanShark <loanshark@uncensored.citadel.org>

others. My history with high cholesterol and a family history of

heart

disease tells me that the vaccines are a higher risk for me than the


virus. And I'm ok with that.

dude, that's one messed-up risk calculation.

I've been hearing a bunch of nonsense coming from antivax twitter

lately. The claim that the newest variant is inherently "milder" is

confounded by incresing vaccine coverage which is making everything

milder for everybody over time. So let's say maybe the virus is maybe

10% milder *inherently* (and I do believe it is milder), but the rest

of the mildness comes from vax.

Covid infects cells that express ACE2
- this includes airway, lungs,
kidneys, cardiovascular, GI, and maybe brain tissue to a smaller

degreee. The virus itself is extremely dangerous to people with heart

disease, for that reason; this has to be balanced against the risks of

the vaccine which are objectively milder. When I was infected, my heart

rate and BP were spiking wildly.

You're r decision-making is exactly backwards, IG.



This is counter to what I've read, which is that viruses naturally attenuate over time as natural selection favors mutations with greater transmissivity and that don't kill their hosts. Conversely, mass vaccination can have the unintended consequence of breeding super strains.

Anyway, admittedly I'm no virologist. I'm not even confident that I spelled that right. But my position is simple: 1. they shouldn't have called it a vaccine, because it doesn't work the way we all traditionally understand vaccines (neither in design nor in outcome), and I think this is the source of a good deal of mistrust[*]; 2. yes, it is a balance of risks, and this balance should be considered by the individual and not the state; 3. one of the key founding principles of the US was to err on the side of individual liberty even when it may be dangerous. I'm not anti-vax, but I am staunchly anti-mandate.

And I believe that this is the mainstream position on the right. The left is doing everything they can to paint the right as anti-vax because it's politically convenient for them to demonize their opponents as "science deniers".

[*] And speaking of the left and mistrust of the government, I've heard what I find to be a very plausible theory floated that Democrats in power are deliberately fostering this mistrust because they need a portion of the population to resist the vaccine. They can't stop the virus and they know it, so they need a scapegoat to blame for their eventual failure.

[#] Sat Jan 01 2022 07:35:32 EST from darknetuser

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( hell i could even bring in the magic octopus if we dont want to
talk science: Your deity placed this virus on the planet to wipe out
less than 1% of the weak among us, so who are you to defy his wishes?
)

 

 


The magic octopus is a motherfucker and belongs to a pot.

[#] Sat Jan 01 2022 07:58:00 EST from Nurb432

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hentai fan i see.

 

( tho being serous for a second:  Im not a fan, and that isn't why i chose an octopus when i rant about religion. it just sounded good " Magic Octopus". Rolls off the tongue. And they are really cool creatures too.



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