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[#] Tue Dec 04 2018 10:43:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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This past weekend my mom and dad were lamenting that their cable was costing too much and they want to switch to Verizon FiOS, but Dad has his email account on and doesn't want to go through all of the hassle of changing it everywhere it's being used. There were some entertaining bits of conversation and some rather frustrating ones.

Dad: "How can I get a list of all the places where I used that email?"
Me: "You can't."

or this one...

Mom: "[all these other people] have, can't you just use that?"
Me: "No. People will start sending me all of his email because artc***** is me." (We have the same name. Their fault, not mine.)
Dad: "Well are you still using that for anything?"

Sure, Dad, let me unload my YouTube, all of my Android devices, and everything else just so you can have an email address that makes it ambiguous which one of us they're actually reaching.

But this one takes the cake...

Mom: "But which one are you using?"
Me: "I run my own. I've always run my own. You know that."
Mom: [confused] "How can you even do that?"
Me: [incredulous pause] "Do you even know who I am?"

Apparently they haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years. What did they think I was doing with the computer when I was a teenager?

[#] Wed Dec 05 2018 06:22:07 EST from fleeb <>

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I wonder how many non-techno adults are afraid their children are hacking major corporations because they don't understand what they're doing.

(Or, for that matter, how many children are actually hacking from their parent's home, to the parent's ignorance?)

[#] Wed Dec 05 2018 08:03:35 EST from wizard of aahz

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I don't think we should discuss anything we did before the age of 18.

And I think changing email might be even more painful than changing physical address. Though, I'm thinking it's a great way to get rid of junk. Just like changing physical address as well.

[#] Wed Dec 05 2018 14:39:46 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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When I dropped my address (after years of using as the primary) my spam/junk mail level went waaaaaaaaay down. Also my sister couldn't reach me, which was an added bonus.

[#] Wed Dec 05 2018 15:05:42 EST from Haven

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Any time my parents ask me what I do, I tell them to watch the movie Hackers. When they ask which one I am, I respond with yes.  

[#] Tue Dec 18 2018 01:40:08 EST from triLcat <>

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um, you can make him an address for gmail that isn't the same as yours. like ArthurDent (instead of ArtDent) or MrArtDent, or ArtDentSr.

Mine is TrilMiddlename rather than TrilLastname. 

Yes, I just changed your last name to Dent. 
The question is whether your version of L, TU, & E says kneebiter or asshole? 

[#] Tue Dec 18 2018 10:36:22 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Understood. However, some experience from having the same email domain in the past (when he ran a company and I worked there), shows that people are generally not smart enough to know the difference, and they *will* send email to the wrong account.

Even though my dad is *not* using gmail at all, I occasionally get messages to my gmail address that were intended for him. People just guess.

The truth is, even though my gmail has an autoresponder that shouts back at you "I DID NOT AND WILL NOT READ YOUR MESSAGE" it does go to a separate "gmail" folder on my Citadel account. But most of what comes in is just noise.

[#] Thu Oct 17 2019 23:23:26 EDT from mo

Subject: Citadel Mailing list component

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Hi,  i would like some more information on the citadel "listserv" feature. What mailing list does the citadel suite use? Can it be used to send announcement only type messages, or is it just for discussion lists? Is it easy to send bulk mail? (i am thinking in the hundreds not thousands)




[#] Sun Oct 20 2019 15:18:51 EDT from a4ginatl

Subject: Failure installing Citadel on a Rasperry Pi 4.

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I installed the OS and then installed but did not configure Apache.

I then selected Citadel as the emaile server. There was a good tutorial it seemed. I got to the instructions sudo /usr/lib/citadel-server/setup and it does not find the setup app. I looked at the folder and it was empty.

Is this supported on the pi4?

Did I miss an instruction?

I did try to uninstall and reinstall, but that did not do much. The install did not bring up any prompts.




[#] Mon Oct 21 2019 11:36:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Citadel Mailing list component

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Hi,  i would like some more information on the citadel "listserv"
feature. What mailing list does the citadel suite use? Can it be used
to send announcement only type messages, or is it just for discussion
lists? Is it easy to send bulk mail? (i am thinking in the hundreds
not thousands)

As with most features, the listserv in Citadel is built-in; it doesn't use a third-party program.

You can totally use it for an announcement list. Quite simply, every message posted in a room is sent to the mailing list recipients for that room. If you don't want it to be a discussion list, you simply make the room read-only (if it's a community site). Then you just post your things to it. In fact, you can make a room both a Blog and a Mailing List at the same time, which is pretty cool.

"List" recipients will receive each message as it was originally entered -- in other words, the sender will be the name and address of the user who posted the message.

"Digest" recipients will receive each message with the sender being the list itself. Which of these options you choose depends on what you want to happen when people reply to list messages.

[#] Mon Oct 21 2019 13:02:15 EDT from mo

Subject: Re: Citadel Mailing list component

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Thanks IG!  That's pretty cool, and easy to understand.

[#] Thu Nov 14 2019 20:09:54 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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When you read mail using the Citadel text client, it shows the "plain text" version of a message, if one is present, because it is presumably better formatted than a conversion from HTML would be.

And it works well.

But every now and then, some idiot programmer builds software that generates emails that say "You are reading the plain text version of this email. Your client cannot display HTML email."

Oh really now? Yes it can, and if you'd just send the message as text/html instead of multipart/alternative, it would cope just fine, moron. Don't include an alternative in a format you don't intend to support with an actual version of the message.

[#] Sat Jun 13 2020 17:16:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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We have tried to send you this email as HTML (pictures and words) but it
wasn't possible.
In order for you to see what we had hoped to show you please click here
to view online in your browser:

There it is again. Is text/plain completely dead now? And if it is, why bother doing multipart/alternative at all?

[#] Sat Jun 13 2020 17:39:15 EDT from darknetuser

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There it is again. Is text/plain completely dead now? And if it is,

why bother doing multipart/alternative at all?

I only generate text/plain.

What I hate is when they do multipart/alternative and the text part is left empty. People doing that should be taken out and shot.

[#] Mon Jun 15 2020 13:57:40 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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That's kind of the point. Actually, that's *exactly* the point. multipart/alternative was *designed* to gracefully fall back to a non-richtext version of the message if the richtext version can't be rendered on the reader's hardware or software.
If the software generating the message doesn't have a plain version of the text available, how about they just DON'T USE MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE AT ALL!!
Just set the top-level content type to text/html and be done with it.

I read most of my email in a console window. If a multipart/alternative message contains a text/plain component, that's the one I'm going to see.
But if it doesn't, my client will do its best to translate HTML to text.
So it makes NO sense to send an alternative format that DOESN'T CONTAIN THE MESSAGE TEXT.

Ok, this has turned into a rant.

[#] Mon Jun 15 2020 15:20:21 EDT from darknetuser

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Ok, this has turned into a rant.

And rightly so.

I blame application developers, really. Those are the ones generating multi-messages with empty text/plains. I don't expect users to fill both the text-only field and the html field.

[#] Wed Jun 17 2020 00:47:49 EDT from ax25

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Worse when the text alternative is so badly formed that it has an entirely different meaning.  I have had messages that were missing plain text items.  Parts from the "fancy" html versions that should have been in the plain text version but were not, and changed the meaning of the email entirely.  Multiple mail user agents confirmed it for me (Mutt, Alpine, webmail plain text view).  Ugh.

[#] Fri Jul 03 2020 19:10:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Right. That's my point. If you're not going to generate an email that is readable in both formats, DON'T INCLUDE BOTH FORMATS.

[#] Sat Jan 16 2021 11:53:50 EST from sethmhur to

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is there anyway to tell thunderbird how many messages to download
instead of downloading all of them?

[#] Sat Jan 16 2021 11:55:23 EST from sethmhur to

Subject: I'm browsing over imap.

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