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[#] Sun Jun 26 2022 10:16:28 EDT from Nurb432

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Bought gas for 4.80 a gallon yesterday. Sad that it was considered a 'deal'.. 



[#] Tue Jun 28 2022 08:43:04 EDT from LoanShark

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2022-06-26 10:16 from Nurb432
Bought gas for 4.80 a gallon yesterday. Sad that it was considered a
'deal'.. 


I paid more than 6 not so long ago, for 93 octane.

100 octane at the track was going for more than 14, and 110 leaded was in the high 13's, almost $14...

[#] Thu Jul 14 2022 09:07:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I filled up for under $40 the other day. But enough about my lawnmower...

[#] Fri Jul 15 2022 17:26:49 EDT from Nurb432

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lol

Thu Jul 14 2022 09:07:08 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
I filled up for under $40 the other day. But enough about my lawnmower...

 



[#] Sun Nov 20 2022 18:04:17 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Ok, here's a nice juicy economics bit to chew on.

I heard someone say a few days ago that a typical economy requires ever-increasing population for the economy to remain healthy.

Is that true? Supposedly this is widely agreed upon, but it doesn't sound right to me. It would seem that there has to be some sort of equilibrium available.

[#] Sun Nov 20 2022 18:10:11 EST from zelgomer

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2022-11-20 23:04 from IGnatius T Foobar <ajc@citadel.org>

Ok, here's a nice juicy economics bit to chew on.

I heard someone say a few days ago that a typical economy requires
ever-increasing population for the economy to remain healthy.

Is that true? Supposedly this is widely agreed upon, but it doesn't

sound right to me. It would seem that there has to be some sort of
equilibrium available.


Maybe they were thinking of social security. It's an understandable mistake, most people seem to think "the economy" is something that comes from the government.

[#] Tue Nov 22 2022 00:19:25 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I think a growing population generally benefits a healthy economy. 

It depends on the growth - though. There are lots of countries with exploding populations and terrible economies. 

 



[#] Tue Nov 22 2022 07:18:37 EST from Nurb432

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Within reason, I dont think its size of population that helps or hurts on its own. Of course too many people exhausts/duplicates resources, too little, and you cant keep up with demand.

I think its down to natural resources available to kick start things, and the government staying the hell out of things.

Tue Nov 22 2022 12:19:25 AM EST from ParanoidDelusions

I think a growing population generally benefits a healthy economy. 

It depends on the growth - though. There are lots of countries with exploding populations and terrible economies. 

 



 



[#] Tue Nov 22 2022 14:18:02 EST from darknetuser

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2022-11-20 18:04 from IGnatius T Foobar

Ok, here's a nice juicy economics bit to chew on.

I heard someone say a few days ago that a typical economy requires

ever-increasing population for the economy to remain healthy.

Is that true? Supposedly this is widely agreed upon, but it doesn't

sound right to me. It would seem that there has to be some sort of

equilibrium available.



A lot of people seems to think you require an ever-growing economy to keep economy healthy. I have found most of that people to be Keynessians, who criticise Capitalism because it has a tendency to grow and need growth. Then they push policies that are designed to keep the economy growing artificially.

"The real state market is Capitalist and that is the reason why it is causing $country to crash. Since the real state market cannot grow anymore we will be facing a crisis. What we must now do is reject free market Capitalism and give loans away so people can keep buying homes and therefore avoid the crisis."

Hayek had some words for this in one of his books. You can have a deflating economy and be ok as long as you don't crash from a stupid position. ie. if your village has less productive output you will survive unless you have spend all your grain reserves in stupid stuff and have absolutely no food reserves.

[#] Fri Nov 25 2022 15:37:48 EST from LoanShark

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I heard someone say a few days ago that a typical economy requires
ever-increasing population for the economy to remain healthy.

Is that true? Supposedly this is widely agreed upon, but it doesn't

sound right to me. It would seem that there has to be some sort of
equilibrium available.

Frequently claimed but never proven. Basically we all have certain expectations built into our planning. When those expectations are disrupted, chaos ensues, but the world eventually goes on.

[#] Sun Dec 04 2022 20:50:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Maybe they were thinking of social security. It's an understandable
mistake, most people seem to think "the economy" is something that
comes from the government.

That might be part of it; as was suggested, perhaps the perception of growth requirement comes from those who lean Keynesian.

[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 16:22:19 EST from LoanShark

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It's not crazy, though. Fractional reserve banking probably depends on an expectation of continued growth in some way. I'm not one of those "fractional reserve banking must be banned immediately" people; that's a notion I reject on grounds that are essentially libertarian.

But it seems untuitively correct that if growth were to stop, everyone's financing expectations would be disrupted, and waves of bankruptcy could ensue.

So that's why it's important to separate real growth from nominal growth.

[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 16:22:40 EST from LoanShark

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*intuitively

[#] Mon Mar 13 2023 09:55:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Well, here we are.  Silicon Valley Bank collapsed at the end of last week and now another one (Signature Bank) collapsed over the weekend.

(Fun note: Barney Frank was on the board of Signature Bank.  Hmm.)

So far, it seems as if everyone is so desensitized to disaster at this point that they're not paying much attention, and not making a run on the banks.  In such a high inflation environment, where are you going to put your money anyway?



[#] Mon Mar 13 2023 15:54:28 EDT from LoanShark

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run on the banks.  In such a high inflation environment, where are
you going to put your money anyway?

Perhaps, TIPS (Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities) bonds?


Sorry for being serious on this forum. The proper answer is: "Bank runs are significant because that's where people keep their money."

[#] Mon Mar 13 2023 15:57:36 EDT from Nurb432

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Part of the plan i think.

Mon Mar 13 2023 09:55:33 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Welcome back to 2008?

So far, it seems as if everyone is so desensitized to disaster 

 



[#] Mon Mar 13 2023 15:59:51 EDT from Nurb432

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There, i fixed it for you.

The 1% that are collapsing things, dont. Or at least only enough for daily operational needs. But not all of it.

Mon Mar 13 2023 03:54:28 PM EDT from LoanShark Subject: Re: Welcome back to 2008?

Sorry for being serious on this forum. The proper answer is: "Bank runs are significant because that's where serfs keep their money."

 



[#] Mon Mar 13 2023 16:34:04 EDT from fandarel

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run on the banks.  In such a high inflation environment, where are
you going to put your money anyway?

Vinyl records, pizza, and porn. And sending the wife to a castle in France for a week in August.
Until we get sensible monetary policy in the Congress, the Fed, and the White House, I see no point in doing anything else. Tax-n-spend is going to eat it up anyway.

[#] Mon Mar 13 2023 18:48:06 EDT from Nurb432

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Now its 2 banks.

( i thought i posted that earlier today..  donno what the hell i did, or where )



[#] Tue Mar 14 2023 23:14:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Perhaps, TIPS (Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities) bonds?

Haven't heard of them. Is this something "normal people" can get?

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