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[#] Mon Aug 27 2018 14:27:56 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

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Stay away from my old machines! (I have to tell my wife the same thing...
She thinks they just take up space. Feh.)

[#] Mon Aug 27 2018 20:04:13 EDT from wizard of aahz

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Actually Ragnar, I think she thinks the same about you. <GRIN>

I don't think any of us are ready to storm the barricades to raid your computers, so you're probably safe. Though I do miss the Pet with the chicklet keyboard and tape cassette drive.. hmmmm...

[#] Mon Aug 27 2018 23:24:06 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I doubt I'd keep the keyboard of a chiclet-PET intact. Just about anything else would be fine.

For modders, there are adapter boards you can get that will accept input from an ASCII keyboard and send out keystrokes in the standard USB format.
(You know you're looking at an ASCII keyboard if Shift-2 produces a double quote instead of an @ sign.) I don't know what the PET used, but the Apple ][ definitely had an ASCII keyboard. And of course the Apple I required you to bring your own ASCII keyboard.

[#] Tue Aug 28 2018 00:02:00 EDT from wizard of aahz

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I think it was a 2001. That's the number that comes to mind.

[#] Tue Aug 28 2018 10:27:11 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Yes, the 2001 had the chiclet keyboard and a built-in cassette drive. It was introduced in 1977.

[#] Tue Aug 28 2018 16:13:27 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

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I have a PET 2001 E. 8k. Chicklet keyboard. Built in casette. The keyboard still works, last I checked, but the keys themselves have a lot of wear....
One memory bank went down, and had to swap out half the RAM....

Got that machine in early 1978, so it's amongst the first machines Commodore ever made.

[#] Wed Aug 29 2018 10:23:34 EDT from wizard of aahz

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And it was an awesome machine. That, a teletype and an Apple I were my first experiences with computers.

[#] Wed Aug 29 2018 15:35:13 EDT from Freakdog

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Loved the PET and CBM.

Used to have a cassette tape with Space Invaders on it...copied the hell out of that, for folks. My 11th grade homeroom was the Commodore computer lab and we all played SI all homeroom period long.

[#] Wed Aug 29 2018 23:19:53 EDT from ax25

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Membrane keyboard or nothing! - ha (TS-1000)

The only thing worse than the ZX-81/TS-1000 keyboard would have to be that stupid one on the Atari 400 (original 1979 design).  Membrane with ever so slight raised edges around the edge of the key.  Suppose they thought it would allow touch typing (surprise! - it didn't)...  you just ended up keying in the space between the keys.  Brutal to say the least.

At least the TS-1000 I suppose was an early form of an IDE where once you were used to it had all the keywords for the Sinclair Basic ready for you (just scan the keys to jog your memory of what you were looking for).

[#] Wed Aug 29 2018 23:23:10 EDT from ax25

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Wed Aug 29 2018 10:23:34 AM EDT from wizard of aahz @ Uncensored
And it was an awesome machine. That, a teletype and an Apple I were my first experiences with computers.

I can still remember the "special cart" that held the Apple I (wooden case) back in 5th grade.  Did not get another chance to use a computer (outside of a teletype hooked up to the power company in town, or a friend that had a "Video Brain" until early high school.

[#] Mon Sep 03 2018 14:16:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Ah yes, being teased during those early school years, hearing "[IG] says he has one of those typewriter TV sets!"

[#] Fri Sep 14 2018 08:56:50 EDT from fleeb <>

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I remember those Sinclair membrane keyboards, and the memory pack slipping out of the thing so easily that it made writing software difficult.

[#] Fri Sep 14 2018 13:40:15 EDT from winzlo

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Just stumbled across a YouTube video of someone installing Slackware 1.0 on a VirtualBox VM with the 13 floppies. Brought back painful memories of sitting in a computer lab in Hanover College, Indiana on a VMS system making those flopies myself.

I'm proud to say that I started with Linux at 0.98pl13, just 1 patch after that release, and worked with InfoMagic, Inc. in Flagstaff, Arizona doing telephone support to get people who bought the Slackware CD's to configure their LILO and kernel parameters properly in order to see their hard drives/CD-ROM drives. Fun, though very painful times. :)

[#] Mon Oct 15 2018 13:55:59 EDT from Kernel

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I have a recollection of asking something similar a few years back... but I cannot say for sure.  I'm trying to track down the latest source for Citadel-68K (Amiga) that was presumably abandoned many years ago.  It used to be maintained by Tony Preston of The Amiga Zone... thought I corresponded with him through here at one point but again, I cannot say for sure... my mind loses more than it maintains the older I get (such is life I suppose).

Apparently (based on searches) the last executable package released was BA22, but source wise I can only find BA01.  I'm not even sure what the versioning method is because it seems to have changed from a standard numeric (i.e. 3.X) to this two letter & two number method at some point.  I was curious if there was a source package for BA22 so I could play around with the most recent...  one last attempt to find it before I just start from BA01.


[#] Tue Oct 16 2018 10:46:01 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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If you communicated with Tony from here, it was likely because The Amiga Zone and Uncensored were both connected to the Citadel network during the last few years of the dialup era. I'm not sure where to find him at this point, but if you do manage to track him down, let him know that this is where all of the old Citadel folks are hanging out now :)

[#] Wed Oct 17 2018 11:39:40 EDT from fleeb <>

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I probably used that version of Citadel-68k. Loved it.

[#] Wed Oct 17 2018 15:40:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Oof. More douchebaggery from Gates:

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He claims that "personal computing would not have existed" without Paul Allen.

In reality, personal computing already existed without Paul Allen. *Microsoft* would not have existed without Paul Allen, because he was the one who actually did all of the work. (He later left the company because Gates and Ballmer were conspiring to dilute his equity.) In fact, had Microsoft not entered the picture, personal computing would likely have taken a friendlier and more innovative trajectory.

Remember: drinks are on me when Gates finally bites the big one.

[#] Mon Oct 22 2018 13:53:07 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

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Friendly? You're delusional.

Nothing was compatible between systems. Zilch. Even simple documents were next to impossible to share.

Even functionally similar systems, such as SunOS, HP/UX and AIX were hobbled by the same problems. Forget the home market... Apple, Commodore, Atari, Tandy.... All incompatible with one another.

There was some hope in the CP/M S-100 based machines. B

They were fun times for kids like us then. But in reality, it sucked not being able to share amongst friends.

[#] Mon Oct 22 2018 15:21:45 EDT from wizard of aahz

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Oh we shared plenty.... Though not in the way the software companies intended.

[#] Mon Oct 22 2018 15:30:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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The following truths are inarguably and objectively ultra-true:

1. If not for Mary Gates getting M$ the inside track on the IBM deal, CP/M would have eventually become the standard operating system. This is evident in the fact that *everyone* had a CP/M emulator or a CP/M mode.

2. Digital Research would have been a more responsible and less evil steward of the de-facto-standard PC operating system than Microsoft was.

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