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[#] Wed Jul 23 2014 15:14:51 EDT from zooer

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I liked how the VERY first thing it says to you is you shouldn't be using the arrow keys. It is in that
condescending geek speak trying to tell you what you think is easier is wrong.

[#] Wed Jul 23 2014 15:52:47 EDT from fleeb

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Heh, yeah... made all the more stupid by the fact that vim does let you use the arrow keys.

[#] Wed Jul 23 2014 23:25:11 EDT from zooer

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"Why do you do it *THAT* way, it is sooooo much easier to use the letter keys like why would you use the arrow

"ok, STFU Sheldon"

[#] Thu Jul 24 2014 15:29:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Bill Joy once said that "vi was written for a world that doesn't exist anymore" which explains the terse commands, particularly the non-arrow-key navigation.
It didn't help that there were a lot of broken termcaps out there at the time, and if you were unfortunate enough to be using one of them, the arrow keys probably didn't work anyway.

I learned vi (real Bill Joy vi, not vim) in the early 1980's on a good working terminal, so I never got into the habit of avoiding the arrow keys. I use the arrow keys. But, I use Ctrl-B and Ctrl-F to move backwards and forwards through screenfuls of text, because the terminal on which I learned vi didn't *have* Page-Up and Page-Down keys.

[#] Thu Jul 24 2014 19:06:34 EDT from zooer

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I don't remember my first editor, it was probably on a VAX machine. I have gotten very used to NANO.

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 08:09:25 EDT from fleeb

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I used to use emacs all the time. Loved it. And I had a rough time working with vi. But I got tired of holding down the ctrl key for all the comma nds, so when I adjusted to vi, I rather liked it.

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 09:42:37 EDT from dothebart

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remained with emacs. like the gdb integration.

[#] Tue Jul 29 2014 01:04:29 EDT from ax25

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I like VI, but then again, I am warped by purchasing a Word Perfect knock off back in the 80's.  WP was strange enough (but you could be proficient in just a few keystrokes that it made you seem to type like a stenographer).

[#] Tue Jul 29 2014 08:14:50 EDT from fleeb

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Heh, well, go back far enough, and you have Word Star. That wasn't a terrible word processing program, but it required a certain imagination, since it wasn't WYSIWYG.

[#] Tue Jul 29 2014 23:12:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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It was close enough. And the way it had both "document mode" and "non document mode" so that you could use it either as a word processor or a text editor was brilliant. And despite it being my very first editor, I still prefer vi instead of joe.

[#] Wed Jul 30 2014 00:11:19 EDT from ax25

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The knock off word processor I used was not my first one. The first one did not have lower case.  That was fancy back then :-)

Back to un-video games.  Who still plays D&D here, and if you do, is it still fun with the over 40 crowd?

[#] Wed Jul 30 2014 06:20:10 EDT from fleeb

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I tried to play D&D with my sister (remotely), but I guess it didn't work out for some reason.

It was still fun. I'd love to do some more... great to use your imagination sometimes, instead of relying upon computer graphics.

[#] Wed Jul 30 2014 14:21:13 EDT from zooer

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I had a shareware DOS editor that I liked enough to register Qedit. It wasn't a word processor just a text
editor, very advanced for the time.

[#] Thu Jul 31 2014 09:47:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Back to un-video games.  Who still plays D&D here, and if you do, is
it still fun with the over 40 crowd?

I played D&D in my 30's. It was still fun then. I suspect it would still be fun today but we all got too busy with family schedules to keep the game going.

[#] Sun Aug 03 2014 00:39:50 EDT from ax25

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I have been invited to play (DND), but found that there is invariably something else that I am needing to do as well.  Online sounds like fun.  Let me know if it ends up working Fleeb.  Sounds like something that could be scheduled for later in the evening so one would not need to drive home.


[#] Mon Aug 04 2014 08:59:14 EDT from fleeb

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It didn't work out. I'm not sure why... the first few sessions were nice, and did work, but people's schedules changed, and they don't do it anymore.

A shame. I bought my sister a nice microphone for the purpose of doing this , but I guess we aren't doing it anymore.

[#] Wed Aug 06 2014 07:39:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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When I moved back to NY in 1993 I was thinking "gee, if I only had a full-time Internet connection we could keep this gaming group together and play via video conference."

[#] Mon Aug 11 2014 23:38:51 EDT from ax25

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Crap, I was hoping to hear that it worked out.  I guess that is a bit more of an in person game than I thought.


[#] Tue Aug 12 2014 07:03:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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There must be *someone* doing it.

[#] Tue Aug 12 2014 08:33:40 EDT from fleeb

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There's software to help with such environments. The software lays out the dungeon area, and allows a DM to manipulate the characters on the board, as well as their stats, and so on. But there's certainly a charm to playing in person that cannot be met remotely.

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