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[#] Mon Jan 02 2012 10:24:26 EST from zooer

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IGnat, are you a T-Mobile subscriber?   I think my one sister is and she has some coverage issues.  I was think of giving up Verizon for many reasons but didn't know if I should go with the major names Sprint or back to AT&T or on to something like T-Mobile.


[#] Mon Jan 02 2012 12:37:00 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Yes, I'm on T-Mobile and I'm quite happy with them. I checked out their network in 2007 and it was terrible, then I looked again in 2010 and it had improved quite a bit so I signed up. Count me in among the many people who are happy to do business with anyone other than SBC (or as they call themselves these days: "at&t")

[#] Mon Jan 02 2012 13:24:51 EST from zooer

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I still have time to decide before my contract expires and then I have to think about what smartphone or classic phone and tablet to get.

[#] Tue Jan 17 2012 16:40:41 EST from skpacman

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I know I've bugged about this before.

Why doesn't webcit work very well in mobile browsers? (android browsers like the stock one, dolphin, skyfire, maxthon, etc).

Specifically, it doesn't allow scrolling through long lists of messages, and the text input for login and messages is buggy.

Say there's 10 messages on one page and they go past the height of the screen.

On a regular desktop browser, you can scroll through them. The header and navigation bar on the left stay put.

On an android browser it shows as many messages as it can before it hits a maximum page width and height, then it only scrolls the whole thing (including the header and navi), not just the messages.

I can't figure out if it's the mobile's web restrictions that are causing it, or something in the webcit display code that doesn't allow it to work like it does on a desktop.

It makes it extremely difficult to go through UCG while on the go.

If I knew how to edit the webcit code, I'd try to fix that and contribute some code for you.

And after thinking about that for a while, I noticed a mobile's web browser does that on a lot of pages... hmm...


[#] Tue Jan 17 2012 17:29:59 EST from dothebart

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yea, its similar on the WII opera.

RTFM here:

it might be something in conjunction with xhtml compliance...

[#] Fri Jan 27 2012 17:49:49 EST from the8088er

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I know on tehe iPhone you can sometimes scroll internal panes by dragging with two fingers.

Have not tried with webcit though.

[#] Tue Jan 31 2012 18:34:13 EST from the_mgt

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There is leftöver stuff specially for mobile devices in the webcit directories. I didnt bother yet to fix it, since I am occupied doing other stuff, but I will definetly look into it. (Fixing the non-mobile stuff across desktop browsers is more than enough pita, btw.)

If you want to have a look, search for filenames like "something.m.html" or more generally the letter "m" between dots.

Also there is lots of precentile voodoo done in order to squeeze in the iconbar (the menu on the left). Thats the next thing I plan to eleminate. While doing so, some of the absolute/fixed stuff will improve, too. And the main divs (banner, iconbar, content) need reworking, atm this is a hack, too, which some of you might recognize from oddness in the navbar (the menu at the top) looks.

But don't expect it before version 8.10! 

[#] Wed Apr 04 2012 14:36:58 EDT from "IGnatius T Foobar" <>

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The latest market share figures from comScore (February 2012) have been published.

(If you can't see the image go to ; source: ESR's blog)

Android has surpassed 50% market share in the US.  It is now the majority leader, surpassing all others combined.  This is no surprise, of course; if you look at the trends this is happening pretty much right on time.

How many generations of iPhone have we been through now, where the fanbois all clamored that this would be the one that knocks Android out of the market for good?  Well it looks like the 4S failed to get that done, but we'll probably hear the same thing when the 5 comes out, etc. etc. etc.

Not that it's a bad place for Apple to be, and they may be there intentionally: firmly cemented as a high priced, high end niche player, while someone else who has portable software claiming the majority/commodity share, just like the desktop computer scene ended up playing out.

Poor RIM is tanking.  I personally think they should just move to Android, but it may already be too late for that play to succeed for them.

And of course Microsoft's story in mobile continues to be: fail, fail, fail.  It seems that the old adage that Microsoft gets it right on the third try and begins dominating on the fourth is no longer true: they have now shipped seven generations of phones that nobody wants.  I can't begin to express how happy I am about that.  :-)

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[#] Wed Apr 04 2012 15:50:35 EDT from zooer

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Sure the government can track me... but my phone is cool!

[#] Fri Apr 06 2012 13:31:31 EDT from shadowjester

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Wed Apr 04 2012 14:36:58 EDT from "IGnatius T Foobar" <> Subject: Android surpasses 50% market share

And of course Microsoft's story in mobile continues to be: fail, fail, fail.  It seems that the old adage that Microsoft gets it right on the third try and begins dominating on the fourth is no longer true: they have now shipped seven generations of phones that nobody wants.  I can't begin to express how happy I am about that.  :-)

Personally, I use a Windows Phone, and my experience with it has been a hell of a lot better than with Android. The only other operating system which is as nice is WebOS, but we won't see a whole lot of support for that anytime soon.

The downward trend in those scorings have to do with the general abandoning of Windows Mobile, not a failure on Windows Phone's part. I wish those score charts would actually split out Windows Mobile from Windows Phone, so we could get a better picture of the adoption rate of the new Microsoft mobile OS.

Also, with the cross-development potential for Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 (Apollo), we may see adoption rates for developers and users spike in the coming months.

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[#] Fri Apr 06 2012 17:59:56 EDT from zooer

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RIM has said they are no longer going to focus on the consumer market. They will stay with the corporate market.

I miss my Palm phone, hate my Blackberry... no hate is too weak of a word, loath my blackberry. I am thinking of dumping Verizon but my
contract isn't up until later in the year. My new every two is next month. I am sort of stuck with a phone I hate with a plan I hate.
It might be worth paying the cancel charges because I am so unhappy.

I think I will just get a dumb phone and purchase a tablet or netbook with wi-fi if I need it.

[#] Sat Apr 07 2012 00:35:38 EDT from the8088er

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I really, really liked my Palm Treo, and there are still things about it that I miss. That being said, I love my iPhone and it's much more capable, even if it doesn't have some of the cool features that the Treo had.

[#] Wed Apr 11 2012 18:00:40 EDT from kinetix

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I think RIM's taken some queues from Nortel. I have a work blackberry which just got upgraded to the latest & greatest Torch device. BB OS 7 is truly a novel piece of junk.

[#] Wed Apr 11 2012 21:47:25 EDT from zooer

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I miss the Nextel's only for annoying the hell out of my ex-coworker. Terrific guy and we remained friends afterward but
he was wound up pretty tight. Had a fit if you beeped his Nextel and started talking... so everybody beeped him and
started talking.

[#] Thu Apr 12 2012 10:32:35 EDT from wizard of aahz

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Had a friend who used to work for Nextel. That functionality is totally hated.

[#] Thu Apr 12 2012 11:40:14 EDT from athos-mn

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Because Nortel's business plan ended up so well...

[#] Thu Apr 12 2012 19:39:50 EDT from wizard of aahz

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well yeah. there is that too.

[#] Sat Apr 14 2012 19:48:26 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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nortel or nextel? nortel's last decade or so has been little more than dinosaurs mating.

[#] Mon Apr 16 2012 17:06:30 EDT from kinetix

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Well, yes, I meant Nortel myself. That's what RIM's mostly been doing too.
"Nobody'll ever make anything as cool or useful as the blackberry. *arooo* *chomp chomp*" (If that's what mating dino's sound like..)

[#] Sun Apr 22 2012 00:32:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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"dinosaurs mating" was the phrase often used to describe the proprietary minicomputer industry in the late 1980's while that portion of the industry was disappearing and everyone was moving either upmarket to mainframes, downmarket to PC's, or to standardized Unix systems.

The overall market was shrinking, so there were a lot of mergers and acquisitions as the market attempted to consolidate. But these companies were doomed anyway, and most did eventually cease to exist; ergo the term "dinosaurs mating."

By the early 1990's, anyone who sold proprietary midrange kit was gone. This seems to also be the case for Nortel along with all of the bits of other companies it has scooped up. For example: Bay Networks, which was itself a merger of Synoptics and Wellfleet.

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