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[#] Tue Jul 30 2013 08:19:09 EDT from the_mgt

Subject: Re: mobile devices and Citadel

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We will continue to improve the mobile experience of Citadel/Webcit, but this is a longterm goal which needs to be achieved with a lot of work under the hood. We "recently" changed lots of optical parts, but improving the overall experience is a constant process.

[#] Thu Aug 08 2013 08:30:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Android now approaching 80% worldwide market share.

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or the fun-to-read version: [ ]

Set aside the relative merits of Apple and Google for a moment, and simply relish in the indisputably wonderful fact that there is a clear leader here, and it is NOT Micro$oft!

This is good.

In other news, I upgraded my Samsung Galaxy S2 to Android 4.2 "Jellybean" by way of Cyanogenmod 10.1.2 yesterday. Soooo much more cool looking than the stock OS. It looks like a phone from this year instead of one from two years ago. It's got a new lease on life!

[#] Mon Aug 19 2013 03:24:16 EDT from hamilton

Subject: Almost fixed

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dothbard script:

"thats been fixed with citadel 8.17"

Perhaps my Android is too old.  LG Optimus V LG670  Android Version 2.2.2. build 2V5.41C0E845 SW Vers VM6770ZV5.

Anyway, an attempt to log into  (Citadel 8.20) by tapping the login entry block results in the login block changing color (correct), a brief

flash of the Android's keyboard, then the display returns to a much larger read-only screen with the prompt "You must be logged in to access this page."

e.g. There is no way to log into Citadel (or enter text) from this Android.  I have managed to tease through the entry process, and have attempted to generate a new email message, but there is absolutely no way to enter text in the message area.  The Android keyboard cannot be triggered.

This inability to enter data looks similar to the issue in v8.14

Else a great program!  Look forward to running Citadel on a Raspberry PI.



[#] Mon Aug 19 2013 03:48:55 EDT from hamilton

Subject: re: Almost worked

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A postscript.  A switch from using the native Android browser to Opera mini 5 beta, the only version that will run on this Android resulted in the ability to log in.  An attempt to generate an email was not successful.  The "TO:  FROM: CC: SUBJECT: prompts were overwritten by the header block (title and menu options), in fact the menu options were truncated.  Moving past that section, the attempt to enter message information was still not possible due to an inability to trigger the virtual Android keyboard in the message area of the email (  I attempted to send the (blank) message anyway, which seems to be working, as I received the alert "Refusing to post empty message"

Keep up the good work!



[#] Tue Aug 20 2013 15:10:37 EDT from the_mgt

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I am sorry, the structure of the page is from a non-mobile era. I am currently working to change this, please stay tuned.

[#] Thu Aug 29 2013 11:12:04 EDT from dothebart

Subject: re: Almost worked

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a quick google for tinymce brought this:

and in special this:

so it seems you need bleeding edge...

does this work for your browser?

hopefully some of the_mgt s work will also improve the browsing situation.

[#] Sat Aug 31 2013 04:03:16 EDT from the_mgt

Subject: re: Almost worked

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I am still opting for ckeditor instead of tinymce, since it does the breaking of blockquotes better (that is, if we stop wrapping the blockquotes into extra divs...) 

[#] Mon Sep 02 2013 02:42:29 EDT from hamilton

Subject: re: Almost worked

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Unfortunately, neither tinymce nor ckeditor worked correctly through the native Android 2.2 browser.  Field entry in the cdeditor demo seemed ok, but full-screen editing in either browser did not trigger the pop-up keyboard, or permit editing.  The cdedtor 'behavior' demos were especially disappointing. In all cases, the entire demo screen (banners and content) simply did not display.

The Android 2.2 OS is listed as not supported in the contenteditable attribute list.  Perhaps it is time to look for a newer smartphone, although this model (LG-Optimus V) is still offered for sale as a new product by Virgin mobile.  I haven't tried the POP/SMTP email app yet, and due to the setup required, use of that resource is a bit more complicated for users, but perhaps that is the best workaround for now.

Appreciate the interest!


[#] Mon Sep 02 2013 02:57:21 EDT from hamilton

Subject: re: Almost worked

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FWIW, an app called DejaOffice works well on this phone. 

[#] Mon Sep 02 2013 05:27:49 EDT from dothebart

Subject: re: Almost worked

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or maybe put a cyanogen mod on it? I've seen it make elderly androids work smoother & faster with newer versions in several cases.

You don't have all the eyecandy bullshit anymore, but get a technicaly non-obsolete phone.

[#] Tue Sep 03 2013 07:54:54 EDT from dothebart

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howto bypass bulky upgrade processes of fragmented android in the market:


and... in other news, its finaly done. elop has put nokia into the shape to be sold to microsoft for a dime or two.

[#] Wed Sep 04 2013 08:44:59 EDT from dothebart

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[#] Wed Sep 04 2013 17:56:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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...and falling! Fun to watch.

[#] Thu Sep 05 2013 06:37:02 EDT from dothebart

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hm, child aware representation:


How's that map thing in to earn money on its own? since it doesn't now? Even Garmin starts to offer the use of OSM in its webapps nowadays, tomtom has troubles because of mobiles offering same services...

[#] Mon Sep 09 2013 15:46:37 EDT from the_mgt

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Before Elop, the cards were called OVI, they had just renamed the Nokia Suite to Ovi Suite (and the store and everything else) when Elop renamed it to HERE and ditched all the Ovi stuff. At least, that is a pretty good tactic to prevent it from not losing money.

[#] Mon Nov 18 2013 18:13:24 EST from the_mgt

Subject: HERE maps on Jolla, which is finally going to be unleashed soon

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Seems HERE (former Navteq btw) is here to stay... Nokia kept that section and they are now licensing that service to other mobile phone manufacturers. Among them is

And they are finally going to put that device on the market on November 27th in Helsinki. Can't wait to get mine.

Here are some more infos, since it seems that nobody here (at least in this room) cared to track them:

Hands on/Demo Videos:

Full specs:

And yes, it does run Android (tm) apps.


Greetings, your friendly ad-bot,

the_mgt ;)

[#] Mon Dec 16 2013 18:29:53 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Oh how lovely. The power button on my phone was stuck, and I broke it completely while trying to fix it.

[#] Sat Dec 21 2013 22:04:39 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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I got a new phone. Since I did not want any money going to Hitler$oft I didn't have a lot of choices. I got a Google branded phone, a Nexus 5. It is very light. The screen is clear and bright, and it was easy to root.

I always root so I can uninstall Gmail.

[#] Sun Dec 22 2013 07:18:27 EST from zooer

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What mail client do you use and why do you uninstall gmail? Google usually does no wrong at any point.

I am upset with my Samsung phone. Samsung has all their own versions of software and makes them system apps so
you can't uninstall them easily. One thing that drives me crazy is the home key has been assigned as a double
press hot key for Samsung's equivelent to Siri. (I think) I have no interest in this, when I want to get back to
the home screen I frequently press the home key twice. This brings up the disclaimer saying I have to accept
the terms of agreement to use this Siri type of program. I don't want to use it, I do not accept the terms of
agreement. According to the forums I can disable the home key option! GREAT! All is I have to do is accept
the terms of agreement and disable the option in the settings. WTF. In order to not use something you have to
use it.

[#] Sun Dec 22 2013 09:16:30 EST from dothebart

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installing cyanogen mod android seems to be a viable alternative for many phones...

how ever, its important how open the specs for the phone are, so they can compile own kernels.

it seems as if samsung is not all that good - at least the galaxy ace does work, but not well. it has not much internal flash, and without a new kernel, you're not able to install apps on the card...

without serious f*king with it, it seems the phone is unusable.

however, sony mobiles (oops?) do seem to be first class citizens here - all open - all spec available..

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