Ok... Zoe - Nurb - we're killing traffic on uncensored. Ig doesn't like that. Conflict and disagreement is GOOD for Citadels - for conversation. I believe that, I stand by that. We should be able to have civil debate - where you think I am an idiot, and I feel the same way about you - but we can have rational discourse about our disagreement without anyone feeling - I dunno... lesser. 

I came here tonight feeling that way, and I still do. I know you feel IG leans my way, and maybe he does - but he still wants you to voice your opinion and feel confident you won't be... censored. That you'll be uncensored. Thus the name of the BBS, right? As long as we're respectful, he'll let us both run on. I haven't been respectful, in my mind - and that damages the discourse. So, I apologize. I'm brutal and ruthless and... good with words in a way that shuts down my dissenters. I don't want to do that. You have your points, they're not without merit. Continue to argue with me - don't feel too passionate about that. I bet we have 1000 things more in common than the few very important things we disagree about. And I understand - I use sophist logic to win public debates in unethical ways sometimes. Go ahead and call me on that, when I do that. When I am clever but not necessarily correct - usually for a cheap win. 

I love Citadel - and I love that you are the opposition to my voice. We should argue and shred one another in every room, towards understanding some sort of compromise between what I believe and what you believe - or just to have the fight and tell the people we love, "I had this horrible argument with this total asshole today and he/she was wrong, but I couldn't convince them because..." 

When we stop arguing like this, that is when CITADEL dies. I saw it happen when we were all dial-up BBSes. Here is what I think we can all agree on... 

This is better than Facebook and X and whatever other web based social media sites we also visit. We can't let this die. It is our obligation to keep this active, hell - to invite OTHER people here if we're not "winning" the battle - not to win the war of words - but to make the discourse of Citadel grow. 

Can we at least get on the same page on that? Have a whiskey, log on, argue with me - hate me - and understand MAYBE I'm just being a devil's advocate - arguing with you like parliamentary debate. Just chasing the academic win - even if I don't 100% agree with the point I am trying to prove. 

Even if I'm lying - if I totally believe that we should expel all illegal aliens, that ICE should shoot all dissenters in the face with non-lethal rounds, that killing someone who didn't REALLY try to run you over is justified... You should still double down and argue with me if you disagree. The more I am wrong, in your eyes, the MORE you should NOT back down. 

That is what I think - anyhow. That is what I came here to say. Instead, I got caught up in doing what we do. And then, I was suddenly back in the lobby. I don't want what. I don't want 3 goto(s) to the lobby. I want to struggle to make a full circle. Citadel is more important than what I think I believe. 


I hope you feel the same. Let's fight. 

For Citadelphia. 

Tho, i suspect she's done.  And anyone seen her buddy with the weird music taste yet this year? 

Request denied.

I am not here to fight, or be insulted.

Sat Jan 17 2026 05:10:53 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

I hope you feel the same. Let's fight. 

 

He is fine. Don't hold your breath on seeing him or you will suffocate.   Hes stepped back from being "online".

Which is not a bad idea actually.

Sat Jan 17 2026 15:44:49 UTC from DarfWader

 

Tho, i suspect she's done.  And anyone seen her buddy with the weird music taste yet this year? 

I came here tonight feeling that way, and I still do. I know you feel IG leans my way, and maybe he does - but he still wants you to voice your opinion and feel confident you won't be... censored. That you'll be uncensored. Thus the name of the BBS, right? As long as we're respectful, he'll let us both run on. I haven't been respectful, in my mind - and that damages the discourse. So, I apologize. I'm brutal and ruthless and... good with words in a way that shuts down my dissenters. I don't want to do that. You have your points, they're not without merit. Continue to argue with me - don't feel too passionate about that. I bet we have 1000 things more in common than the few very important things we disagree about. And I understand - I use sophist logic to win public debates in unethical ways sometimes. Go ahead and call me on that, when I do that. When I am clever but not necessarily correct - usually for a cheap win.  

The mantra is "don't shit where you eat."  By all means disagree, even to the point of flamefesting once in a while, just don't let it ruin the medium to the point were no one else wants to be a part of it.

This isn't Facebook, where hate is monetized.  It also isn't a Victorian tea party where pearls are clutched.  Just be decent.

My popcorn tub is full of tears here. I never thought i'd be so emotional. Feels like the holy ghost just blew through this Citadel and washed away all shouty memes and now, i'm bathed in sunshine, looking out of a tower at the fluffy clouds below.

LOL. Well, I've often been accused of being a little ray of warmth, happiness and sunshine. I just leave a wake of sparkling rainbows of peace, contentment, and serenity where ever I roam. 

Don't shit where you eat, indeed - I suppose that was my attempt. If other people insist on shitting in their own bowls, who am I to interfere with their dietary requirements, though... 

Sat Jan 17 2026 22:02:10 UTC from mo

My popcorn tub is full of tears here. I never thought i'd be so emotional. Feels like the holy ghost just blew through this Citadel and washed away all shouty memes and now, i'm bathed in sunshine, looking out of a tower at the fluffy clouds below.

 

 

I'm not a huge fan of when I hold out an olive branch and I get told to kindly go and f'k myself, though. I'm not telling anyone they have to agree with me, or even like me... 

But... certainly we can learn to temper our differences in order to be able to both be able to visit a place we evidently both enjoy? 

Here - this for me is the bottom line - Nurb is a super-regular at this place. I'm not... I'm an occasional tourist here. It is coming into HIS local and making him feel unwelcome. 

I'd hope Nurb continues to come here and do his thing. At the same time - every room WAS becoming a rant about Trump, and frankly - I'm a little bit sick of Trump and Trump discussions. There is SO much more to my world than Trump, ICE, Greenland, the EU, Russia and China and if we're going to engage in WWIII (and who will be strange bedfellows, if so). 

I actually come here to ESCAPE that shit on X and Facebook - to have discussions about Retrogaming, Linux, Microsoft, Google - to go into rooms and go, "I can't even talk at this level of tech that these guys are talking at...." 

And forget for a circle around the rooms here that EVERYTHING is fixated on political tribalism lately. 

I mean - I suppose, let me hold out that olive branch once more. Break it and throw it back in my face if that is what you want to do - but there aren't a lot of us here - without traffic - it dies - trust me - I know because mine did. If it dies - the alternatives we find to occupy our time are far less satisfying. So we *should* try to figure out how to make this work.