The way it works is 20 years from now they will be eating roasted rats and telling each other "Do you remember when cabagge was affordable? Ah, those were the times!"

20 years not gradual, that's barely a generation. Funny you mention eating rat; i watched a film this year. Made in England, shot in the city of Sheffield using unknown actors and the rest local people as extras. They had a great time making this movie in the 1980s and at the time they released it alot of the people who had been part of the film, ordinary local people that had laughed and joked on set as they maybe were covered in tomato sauce fake blood, sat in on the first screenings. At the end of the film:silence. All you could hear were people sobbing in the back of the theatre. I'm not kidding you, after i watched the film, which was set in a culture i know well, with people i could relate to as the kind i grew up with - doing the things people did then: it took me near two weeks to shake off the grey cloud over my head. I'm lucky, not much makes me sad and i am an optimistic person - but this film left alot of people traumatized: it was so real. And yes people were surviving on rats and whatever they could. Life went on though, by the end of the film, 20 years had passed, at least enough time for one generation to be born and bear the next, and from digging around in the dirt- steam power was again being harnessed, people's lives were a misery where the next generation's language had descended into a more primitive speech than our own: but humanity survived. Humanity will survive the worst we can do i'm sure, even megatons of atom bombs. We may not survive a natural made disaster though. Whatever you think of global warming, it is such forces of nature that can make us extinct. 

People in the West will be fine i'm sure, if we can grow what we need to eat ;) (and need to keep ourselves warm, and keep the rain and wind off and spin the cloth for our shirts)

Seriously there are many well respected people who believe the only way for us to continue as a civilization in the long run is to spread out a bit more with vastly more of us farming 'our own' land, and for more local community based industry. It's not a crazy idea i think. In fact it is a proven recipe for a 'pretty good' life. At the end of the day speculating that the unproven recipe for a good life, betting on things that havn't and may not ever be invented, is the way to achieve Happy Ever After is still unproven speculation.

The soil is where we come from, funny flowers that we are-still, the soil is what we depend on- that and the rain and sunshine.

That first line was a quote btw, not plagerism ;)

Thu Jan 08 2026 18:22:05 UTC from darknetuser

The way it works is 20 years from now they will be eating roasted rats and telling each other "Do you remember when cabagge was affordable? Ah, those were the times!"

So... Including my Rzr and RV - I've got about a half million dollars of vehicles in my driveway on some Friday nights. And - that worries me - because I don't have a Learjet to bug out to the Caymans if shit does hit the fan. I'm *just* well enough off to be a relief valve when the unwashed masses decide to part the necks of the bourgeois they CAN catch from their heads. As a Conservative - I get that some modicum of socialist policy is actually a necessary evil to keep the WalMart class pacified, playing PS5 in their doublewide with their late model Dodge Charger and RAM parked out in the breezeway. 

I know that sounds a bit callous - but it is also a bit true.  In the game of 80/20 - if the 80% ever gets united, the 20% are f'kd. This is what happened in the Russian Revolution and the Mao revolution. Right now we're pretty damn close to the dystopia that Ayn Rand foresaw - with the wealthy elite drinking $20 drinks at rooftop bars in Downtown L.A. while people shit on the streets in tent cities on skid row 20 stories below them. I've done this, literally - and it was a sobering experience. The people - the scene at those rooftop bars is disgusting and banal and I didn't enjoy it as much as I would have thought I would when I was a poor white trash kid growing up in a duplex in the ghetto of South Sacramento in 1985. 

But - I think that... I don't know... I grew up SO poor. I worked so hard - I made so many sacrifices - and now the far Left wants to punish me, almost specifically - I'm the guy on their "most wanted" list. That isn't right either - and if burning it they tell me, "Give up your fair share or we'll burn it all to the ground..." 

I've been there. Let's do it. 

I've always been that way. I told the COO at the hosted healthcare solution provider I was IT manager for in Ohio, "Don't push the nose down and aim the plane at a mountainside to try and scare me, because I'll grab your hands on the yoke and hold them down until you beg me to let you pull up." 

She didn't like me. I'm willing to listen and try and have dialog - but don't threaten ME with destruction - I'm *way* more willing to watch it all burn than you are. 

 As a Conservative - I get that some modicum of socialist policy is actually a necessary evil to keep the WalMart class pacified, playing PS5 in their doublewide with their late model Dodge Charger and RAM parked out in the breezeway. 

I assure you, those are not the people you'd have to worry about.  Most of them are hard working Americans who are just getting by.

The ones you have to worry about are the welfare leeches, who are already rioting under the mere possibility of the gravy train coming to an end.  They feel they deserve unlimited EBT and the marxists-in-charge have programmed them to understand that they are entitled to your money.

Why worry about anybody? Human being's are a gregarious lot, and it's not natural for us to not stick together. The clever people are going to win at any game, and the game of survival is especially made to bring out that. Just look at recorded history where the sh*t has hit the fan many times over, normal level headed people always come out on top, we want our children, and as important other peoples' children to inherit a better world.

The way i see it is: we shouldn't be letting the world fall to bits in the first place by letting - the not so clever people rule our present and make the rules by which our children have gotta live by. The people who set policy have gotta have real humanity in their heart, they gotta be honorable people not using power to their own ends and they have to be fearless. Maybe a heart of a saint and a spirit of an angel if you will. But we are all fallible and we need to always remember that.

Whatever people think of 'conservatism'; whatever people think of 'socialism'; a world without getting anything done where nobody cared for the humanity of their fellows is not how human beings live happy and fulfilling lives. 

We are all standing on the shoulders of 'conservative' and 'socialist' giants - in my opinion.

Yeah Threads was well made for sure, it was real life. As shocking as it was humanity carried on though, not really a 'happy' ending but light there still. I really don't want to watch it again, once was enough and i know some people i know i hope never watch it.

That was so disgusting it didn't even deserve a response. "Walmart class"? Really?  If that isn't a display of raw elitism i don't know what is.

And i agree, the hardworking 'unwashed' Americans are the backbone of this country, i see them every day around here working their ass off to get by. ( well, when i go to town, which isn't every day technically ) Without them, these self-important elites that take advantage of them wouldn't exist.  Just like the days of true Monarchy, in a way, we emulate.. just with a different name.

Sat Jan 10 2026 19:25:47 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

 As a Conservative - I get that some modicum of socialist policy is actually a necessary evil to keep the WalMart class pacified, playing PS5 in their doublewide with their late model Dodge Charger and RAM parked out in the breezeway. 

I assure you, those are not the people you'd have to worry about.  Most of them are hard working Americans who are just getting by.

The ones you have to worry about are the welfare leeches, who are already rioting under the mere possibility of the gravy train coming to an end.  They feel they deserve unlimited EBT and the marxists-in-charge have programmed them to understand that they are entitled to your money.

Lol

It might be sugar but i have been on the receiving end of enough pain, and seen others lives changed forever in the blink of an eye that i'm not living in a fantasy world. It is the real world i describe, and we are all part of the tribe. Every time we drive on a road, use a telephone, log in to the net, flush a lavatory, flick a switch and there is light, heat and a hot shower that is because of the hard work of people we will never meet, who take pride in their work and in their place in the tribe. One word, one industry that i'm guessing many people on this BBS/conferencing system/forum... will be familiar with: 'The Internet' and 'telecommunications made possible by such a network of networks'. Most people in modern life use the internet like they use a shower, or the 'bathroom' or 'the highway' it's just taken for granted, but it would be hard not to feel a bit of humility learning where this infrastructure came from, how it was made and by whom. I have worked in many industries in non-professional roles doing some of the dirtiest and some of the kinds of jobs many people would never want to do, in construction, civil engineering and in agriculture. I know the story of these industries too, Across the board it's the same, it's not uncommon for people to enjoy the good work they do because it is important (to people they will never meet), from the shiny top job, to the sweaty shop floor or muddy field.

I'm not trying to do a 'Billy Graham' here, but people do care about other members of the tribe, not just their close friends and family, even if it is unseen and often unsaid. Along with all the parts of human nature that are best not named and given chance to germinate unconditional love and common kindness are what makes 'humanity'. Btw apologies if you just got sick over your best shirt or your keyboard there. ;)

Sun Jan 11 2026 02:52:26 UTC from darknetuser

Whatever people think of 'conservatism'; whatever people think

of 'socialism'; a world without getting anything done where
nobody cared for the humanity of their fellows is not how human

beings live happy and fulfilling lives. 

That text right there has so much sugar in it that it gave me diabetes.


People care for their close social circle and often not even that. People talks a lot abot humanism or carying but if somebody gets stabbed three city blocks away from their home they don't give a flying damn.

I am not naive enough to believe anybody but my parents cares if I live or die. Well, my bosses and some coworkers do because I am the only human who holds some critical encryption keys but there is nothing noble or altruistic about it.

People is tribalistic and if you are not part of their tribe you are either not a concern or an obstacle that needs to be terminated.

I understood this truth very early on, I have a close tight group of friends and family and that is what I care about, because nobody else cares about me, and I am happier than if I felt responsible for a lot of people whose fates I don't control and who would steal from me or outright kill me if they had a chance.

There is a reason why gangs are so successful.

But you knew exactly what I meant. I'm a fan of frank, blunt and descriptive language that lets you know exactly where I stand. 

Make no mistake - I came UP *through* the WalMart class to become the elitist you claim I am now - I worked for it, and frankly, your attitude is every bit as judgmental as mine - in fact, you're probably the kind of person who harasses people in Cybertrucks, lifted Diesel trucks, and expensive two seat roadsters because their display of indulged privilege triggers you. 

I figured out a long time ago, nearly as soon as I bought my first, relatively modest BMW - that it isn't actually that BMW drivers are pricks - it is that so many people are pricks to BMW drivers, unprovoked, that BMW drivers eventually become pre-emptively assholes as a defense mechanism. We come to EXPECT your poor behavior based on a badge on OUR cars - and it is AMAZING how often we are RIGHT in our assumption. 

That is - I think "your side," creates a lot of your own problems - and in my opinion - a lot of it is envy. A lot of it is wanting to blame someone else who has more than you for why you didn't get as far as they did. That is how I see it, having come up from the very bottom. 

You're not exactly changing my mind, presently. 

I was in a parking lot in a business park in Tennessee recently, and there was a cybertruck - and some juvenile a-hole had used their greasy, WalMart class fingers to draw dicks on the stainless steel all over it. 


The amount of mental instability that makes you want to draw dicks with your finger-grease on someone else's car because you're upset at a man ASSOCIATED with the company that makes those trucks just blows my mind. Petty people with the constant buzz of white noise in their angry little hive-minds. 

Now, while i don't support damaging ( even in appearance ) anyone else's stuff, keep in mind if you buy the car new, you supported the man. So yes, there is a 100% valid link. He isn't just 'associated', he makes billions from it, and while it may not be 'technically his' since its a public company, its his in practicality.. Do the math.

And to be honest, i think im done with you, holier than thou elitist. Not any better than the rest it seems, with all the insults you are tossing around now. Showing your true colors perhaps?

Wed Jan 14 2026 01:42:03 UTC from ParanoidDelusions

I was in a parking lot in a business park in Tennessee recently, and there was a cybertruck - and some juvenile a-hole had used their greasy, WalMart class fingers to draw dicks on the stainless steel all over it. 


The amount of mental instability that makes you want to draw dicks with your finger-grease on someone else's car because you're upset at a man ASSOCIATED with the company that makes those trucks just blows my mind. Petty people with the constant buzz of white noise in their angry little hive-minds. 

 

It is ok, if my last post didn't tip you off, I was already done with you before you were done with me. ;) 

You smell of Walmart. Have a pleasant life. 

Wed Jan 14 2026 14:58:36 UTC from ZoeGraystone

Now, while i don't support damaging ( even in appearance ) anyone else's stuff, keep in mind if you buy the car new, you supported the man. So yes, there is a 100% valid link. He isn't just 'associated', he makes billions from it, and while it may not be 'technically his' since its a public company, its his in practicality.. Do the math.

And to be honest, i think im done with you, holier than thou elitist. Not any better than the rest it seems, with all the insults you are tossing around now. Showing your true colors perhaps?