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Alpine is systemd-free and not as autistic as Void.
Try #5.. Deuvan was able to get to its repositories. It may have been my fault on #4.. i mis-read what was current and installed an older version. Perhaps they shut down older repos.. i donno, dont matter much really, if i use it ill stay up to date anyway. Advantage to that is its basically Debian. That is what i'm used to at this point and in theory supported by drivers and such that i need.
Another option ( which i may end up doing ) is minimal Linux for things that i *have* to have drivers for and everything else, go back to BSD ( be done with sysd, that audio crap pottering did AND no wayland nonsense ). Tho that would pretty much kill off my ARM/RISC-V stuff. ( drivers yet again . grrr )
Or .... after i retire soon may just get out of it totally. Ditch everything electric but enough to listen to my CD collection, read an old book and watch an old movie. ( and can be appliances ). Really really REALLY hate what the IT industry has become. We need a 'Transcendence' level event where all IT is burnt off the face of the earth. Its become more evil than good. ( or a Cylon type of event, and just eradicate most of mankind too. For the same reason, and i guess more likely )
Alpine is systemd-free and not as autistic as Void.
Or .... after i retire soon may just get out of it totally.
Not workable. We need you here.
Nope. Wasn't my fault for installing an older version. Tried adding some new stuff today, fail. So i guess its hit-miss on their servers.
3 retries, it worked.
i guess not a show stopper, just an annoyance.
Try #5.. Deuvan was able to get to its repositories. It may have been my fault on #4.. i mis-read what was current and installed an older version. Perhaps they shut down older repos..
Nice to know id be missed.
I guess id keep a phone too and perhaps one tablet, so i would be able to use the NG interface. These days, you have to be on-line a little just to pay your bills...
Or .... after i retire soon may just get out of it totally.
Not workable. We need you here.
Linus Torvalds has a two-year old's understanding of politics and believes everything he is told by the Western regimes. I'm sure I'm not the only dementia patient who still has some vague recollection about free software being a universal project of all humanity, transcending such primitive notions as national borders - after all, only stupid primitive people believe in things like "countries". No, we free software developers are "citizens of the world"! But that was then, and this is [CURRENT YEAR].
Fuck Linus, fuck Linux, and fuck Clown World.
Never really have been a fan of his either.
Served a purpose, but at a personal level ( or how he manages the project sometimes ), not fond of him.
Fuck Linus, fuck Linux, and fuck Clown World.
2024-08-05 09:10 from Nurb432
Seems wayland isn't well thought of over in the 9Front camp
either. Same sorts of reasons i dont like it. Its
anti-unix. Someone brought it up and blew up the mailing list.
IDK why it would be considered anti-Unix. X11 uses a lot of obsolete techniques and it makes sense to clean it up.
the problem with Wayland, from where I sit, is that they still haven't gotten it fully production-ready after how many years/decades?
the fundamental problem i have seen is its not network oriented its monolithic desktop oriented. Just another version of MSwindows in effect.
Thu Oct 24 2024 10:57:44 EDT from LoanShark
the problem with Wayland, from where I sit, is that they still haven't gotten it fully production-ready after how many years/decades?
the problem with Wayland, from where I sit, is that they still haven't
gotten it fully production-ready after how many years/decades?
What's considered production ready? When it appeared as the default display engine on Ubuntu I started using it, and I didn't really notice a difference.
Everything just kept appearing on the screen like it always did before. I guess it's possible that I'm not doing anything particularly taxing, but it runs the desktop environment, handles video just fine, and it doesn't crash on any of my machines. <shrug>
2024-10-24 11:09 from Nurb432
the fundamental problem i have seen is its not network oriented
its monolithic desktop oriented. Just another version of
MSwindows in effect.
I guess, but to declare that as somehow anti-Unix seems to be frozen in time. Nobody cares about X terminals anymore.
2024-10-24 13:18 from IGnatius T Foobarthe problem with Wayland, from where I sit, is that they stillhaven'tgotten it fully production-ready after how many years/decades?
What's considered production ready? When it appeared as the default
display engine on Ubuntu I started using it, and I didn't really notice
a difference.
1. last time I checked it was still completely broken on Nvidia hardware. I know, I know. Don't start with me. I may also be out-of-date on that.
2. X11 clients may require non-trivial porting. I don't think Java has been ported to wayland yet. Even Google Chrome has a list of unresolved bugs in Ozone-Wayland mode and it may be better to run it on top of XWayland.
While i cant run out there and provide a bunch of facts and numbers ( beyond the fact I still do this ) i have to disagree on this one. I think its more relevant than people realize.
If im wrong, then here soon you all get to go with your faux-MSWindows ( between wayland, and systemD, its the same thing, just a different vendor ) and ill go back to being mostly off-line as i wont care anymore what the IT industry does. ( except for basic appliances to pay my bills and such.. like i mentioned somewhere around here lately about me getting out of this industry, finally, and how much i hate it and what its become.. )
Thu Oct 24 2024 13:44:35 EDT from LoanSharkI guess, but to declare that as somehow anti-Unix seems to be frozen in time. Nobody cares about X terminals anymore.
If it wasn't for the need of a browser, id be tempted to burn it all down and go back to vSTA + MGR.
Tho drivers would be an issue too at this point.
I guess, but to declare that as somehow anti-Unix seems to be frozen
in time. Nobody cares about X terminals anymore.
I think I have to agree. The idea of running clients from multiple hosts on the same screen was a neat trick but it hasn't even worked properly for a long time. X might still be network transparent but the various renderers and compositors are not, and the result is that any sufficiently complex application (such as a modern browser) won't work across the network anyway.
Really, I get it, Wayland has taken way too long and it's still not where it needs to be, but I think it has crossed the chasm and there can be no doubt it's going to get there. Running it over the network is possible too, but at the granularity of remoting the whole display instead of just a single window. But even that might come back to mainline Wayland at some point -- the display server on WSLg actually does render on Wayland and then sends individual windows back to the host desktop, so who knows.