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[#] Thu Dec 10 2020 18:13:33 EST from nonservator

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I think a great deal of bloodshed could be avoided if the wealthy had a healthy and respectful fear of average people.



[#] Thu Dec 10 2020 20:54:40 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I think there is a rumor that the wealthy don't, perpetuated by a small segment of the very wealthy, powerful and elite to sow class warfare among the "kind of rich" and the peasants. 

I think the conservative wealthy understand that a large, disenfranchised, disempowered underclass traditionally - eventually goes really poorly for the ruling elites. 



Thu Dec 10 2020 18:13:33 EST from nonservator

I think a great deal of bloodshed could be avoided if the wealthy had a healthy and respectful fear of average people.



 



[#] Fri Dec 11 2020 07:03:05 EST from nonservator

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I think most of the wealthy who need to fear the average person, don't.



[#] Fri Dec 11 2020 10:56:29 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I think that is exactly what they want you to believe. That "The Wealthy" are the enemy. 

If you look closely - you'll see that most of the people telling you that "the wealthy" are the cause of society's issues - that it is greedy corporations exploiting the workers' labor as the rich get richer and the poor gets poorer and the middle class disappears... that it is a small percentage of individuals who own EVERYTHING and won't share it with *anybody*. 

Are in the very top 1% of the 1%. They're the people with two industrial grade GenAir fridges full of top-shelf ice cream, themselves. 

And their answer tends to be, "tax the BOTTOM of the top 1% at progressive rates over $250,000 income!" 

Meaning... "take the money from the portion of the 1% that can't shelter their outrageous income."

They know THEIR wealth is sheltered and protected. Celebrities and politicians and sports stars and tech billionaires won't EVER be affected by the class warfare that calls to redistribute the wealth of the "affluent". 

It will hit the HONEST 1%ers that live among the middle class, or near them - who do not worry about a $10,000 repair bill for their house, who aren't worried about HUGE healthcare costs - but who live relatively modestly - who drive modest luxury cars - but maybe have a used McClaren tucked away in the RV garage behind the $150,000 Super-C that is ALSO paid off. 

If you're being fed a narrative that the wealthy DGAF about you by the *wealthiest* segment of society - and they're directing your anger at on the segment of the wealthy that they consider *more like you* than *like themselves*... 

Be suspicious.  

Most of the 1% is very comfortable - and has no intention of sharing what they have - but they're concerned that the other 99% have enough comfort that a 1%er can go on vacation in something less than a fully-armored luxury SUT with an entourage of ex-special forces body guards. They're very concerned about rioting and unrest in major urban areas and the idea that it might spill out into sprawling country estates miles from the urban core.  They can't hop on a private jet and bug out to some safe haven if things go bad domestically. They might have a nice safe-room in their suburban McMansion and they MIGHT be able to charter a jet or at least fly out first class IF they get enough advance notice - but there is also the possibility that when they land they'll be broke and have to start over as refugees in a "free but very net-worth conscious" country - because all of their assets will have been seized when they fled. They can't really bring their $10 million net profit-a-year henna shop business or custom cabinet business with them to Uruguay when they flee the angry mobs in the US.  

And here is another truth - part of the disappearing middle-class is there has been unprecedented growth *into* affluence over the last 40 years in the US. The Middle Class isn't just disappearing because everyone in the middle is slipping into poverty. The AFFLUENT is swelling too - as people depart the Middle to become wealthy. The people who bang on the drum of class warfare NEVER share this fact. They just tell you that the middle class is disappearing - not that it is happening in part because many are escaping the middle to become rich. 

Trust me... the segment of the 1% that fits this demographic - and it is actually MOST of the 1% - got there by being bright - so a lot of them have already considered these things - and they care a lot. They're caught between an underclass who is being mobilized to hate them - and an upper-class that also doesn't like having them around at their country clubs, resorts, lodges and other exclusive destinations. 

 

The McClaren is photoshopped into my garage - but I'm really sitting in it - it lives in a friend's garage big enough to actually open the gull wings, with a $250,000 RV, a $100,000 Camaro and a $200,000 Vette with a parachute on the back of it that does 8 second 1/4 miles. 

He also has an F350, a Kia Stinger GT and a $40,000 Razor Side-by-Side in the "house" garage. 

I'm in a demographic where if he wants to do something - I don't have to worry about if I can afford it. "Want to fly down to Kentucky last minute this week, hire a driver and do a whisky tasting tour?" Sure... let's do that! 

While I'm not as well off as him - I'm well-off enough to be concerned about arguments for class warfare aimed at the demographic that is being labeled, "the rich". 



Fri Dec 11 2020 07:03:05 EST from nonservator

I think most of the wealthy who need to fear the average person, don't.



 



[#] Fri Dec 11 2020 11:09:54 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Also - I saw more of my circle who were in the solid 98% finally claw their way into the bottom of the top 1% over the last four years than at any time in my career. They're all very uncertain about what the future holds for them. 

As someone climbing my way up - I hit the 98% a couple of times only to get knocked back out by a changing economy that seems to follow the political alignment of the current POTUS. The market turns between 2003 and 2013 cost me large sums of money. The gains between 2016 and 2020 have been huge. 

I certainly worry about the decisions average people make based on their perception of class income. 







[#] Fri Dec 11 2020 12:20:56 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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I think a great deal of bloodshed could be avoided if the wealthy had
a healthy and respectful fear of average people.

At some point the Morlocks begin eating the Eloi.

[#] Fri Dec 11 2020 12:42:40 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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That is the basic concern - yes - unless the Eloi figure out how to keep the Morlocks content and well fed, anyhow. 


That is where conservativism gets it wrong, sometimes. Some social safety nets, some welfare, some assistance, some workplace regulation - is a necessary investment and necessary evil in capitalism. Otherwise you get the French or Russian revolution. 
Ignoring that is just as short sighted as ignoring the logistical challenges to Libertarianism or Communism, really. We're not a utopian ideal where EVERYONE *can* pick themselves up by their own bootstraps through hard work and dedication. We have to address that the system is imperfect and figure out how to address those imperfections so they don't spiral into... what we're up against right now. 



[#] Fri Dec 11 2020 19:50:25 EST from nonservator

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Conservatism doesn't have a problem with safety nets. Pernicious anarchocapitalist influences took over the economic arguments of the GOP and drove out any hope of broad bipartisan public policy, at any level.



[#] Fri Dec 11 2020 22:14:53 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Fri Dec 11 2020 19:50:25 EST from nonservator

SMART Conservatism doesn't have a problem with safety nets. Pernicious anarchocapitalist influences took over the economic arguments of the GOP and drove out any hope of broad bipartisan public policy, at any level.



Fixed that for you. Unfortunately, Hillary was not wrong. A significant number of our ranks are deplorables. No more than on the left, and arguably less - but we're not all smart. 

 



[#] Sat Dec 12 2020 16:45:59 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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That is the basic concern - yes - unless the Eloi figure out how to
keep the Morlocks content and well fed, anyhow. 

So far, they have. As long as the bread and circuses (Starbucks and iPhones) keep flowing, our Morlocks will keep voting for the Eloi. This is because leftists come in two flavors:

1. Eloi leftists hedge their wealth in globalist investments. They have enough power and influence that they will continue to have power and influence regardless of where global governance takes us.

2. Morlock leftists are simply stupid. By the time they realize they have voted themselves into abject poverty, no amount of calling the Eloi racists is going to get them out.

The funny thing is that there are a lot of Morlocks who think they are Eloi, and will be surprised to find that they didn't make the cut. Most of the people in the media, especially urban dimtwits who write for leftist rags, probably consider themselves part of the intellectual elite. Even people like AOC will probably be cast aside once the shit really hits the fan.

[#] Sun Dec 13 2020 12:27:34 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Yes, for sure in the sense you're talking about. 

But if we frame it larger - this applies no matter which partisan spectrum is sitting as the Eloi - nor who makes up the majority of the Morlocks. 

The Right tends to go "if you want bread and circuses, you have to earn them!" as an absolute. And why I buy into that concept largely myself - I realize you've got to reduce barriers to earning the bread and circuses that keep the Morlocks content - and you've got to develop meaningful methods of making sure that earning the bread and circuses is more appealing than sitting around *demanding* that you get an equitable share of the bread and circuses no matter what you do, or don't do. 

And inevitably, you've got to figure out the bare minimum of bread and circuses that must be given to those who are just useless - unless you're going to round those people up and shoot them or otherwise make examples of them - which isn't a great plan for keeping Morlocks content. 

As for the final point... I think most people can't see past immediate gratification. They do not believe anything will ever change for them, and do not understand change is inevitable. 






Sat Dec 12 2020 16:45:59 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
That is the basic concern - yes - unless the Eloi figure out how to
keep the Morlocks content and well fed, anyhow. 

So far, they have. As long as the bread and circuses (Starbucks and iPhones) keep flowing, our Morlocks will keep voting for the Eloi. This is because leftists come in two flavors:

1. Eloi leftists hedge their wealth in globalist investments...

2. Morlocks leftists are simply stupid. By the time they realize...

The funny thing is that there are a lot of Morlocks who think they are Eloi...

 



[#] Sun Dec 13 2020 19:02:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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There are no parties anymore. The marxists in the GOP were part of the steal.
They agreed to assist in the coup to cheat President Trump, the authentic winner of the election, in exchange for a few down-ballot wins.

It DOESN'T MATTER. I'm increasingly convinced that the BushClinton UniParty has been rigging elections for decades, and the fact that a non-member of the ruling elite slipped through in 2016 was because of a miscalculation of their part. That's why they programmed the sheeple to have a four year long tantrum. And they won't let it happen again.

The real Republic has been dead for at LEAST since the turn of the century, possibly earlier. Having a President who represented the people instead of the ruling class was an anomaly.

The BushClinton UniParty Media will continue maintaining the illusion of a two-party system, so they can continue to keep us at each other's throats to distract us from the fact that they're all sitting in the same room selling out our nation to the globalists.

To put it in Animal Farm terms: Trump good, non-Trump bad.

[#] Sun Dec 13 2020 20:40:37 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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We think so much alike it is sometimes weird, Ig. 

Here is the thing. If we're right, it has been going on since Reagan. 

Reagan probably wasn't in on it. Bush was in place to make sure a Pro-American populist President never fucked up the plan again - and for almost 40 years, it worked. It survived Ross Perot. But it wasn't prepared for Trump. 

But by Trump, it didn't matter. They didn't care if some of us who were always a little red pilled got fully red-pilled. They knew the majority would take the blue pill the second things got unpleasant. 

And they did. 

Let's be honest - Southern Apologetics aside - the Republic failed when Lincoln suspended habeus corpus and made a pretense of freeing the slaves the create a strong, consolidated Federal Government and erode State Sovereignty. The founding fathers would recognize the end of the Civil War as the end of the America they envisioned. I'm not a Stars and Bars Flag Flying in Muh Truck kind of guy... 

But I understand the basic argument of a weak, decentralized federal government and an agrarian economy being essential to libertarian values and a strong, centralized, industrialized federal Government being the path toward tyranny. 

 

 

Sun Dec 13 2020 19:02:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
There are no parties anymore. The marxists in the GOP were part of the steal.
They agreed to assist in the coup to cheat President Trump, the authentic winner of the election, in exchange for a few down-ballot wins.

It DOESN'T MATTER. I'm increasingly convinced that the BushClinton UniParty has been rigging elections for decades, and the fact that a non-member of the ruling elite slipped through in 2016 was because of a miscalculation of their part. That's why they programmed the sheeple to have a four year long tantrum. And they won't let it happen again.

The real Republic has been dead for at LEAST since the turn of the century, possibly earlier. Having a President who represented the people instead of the ruling class was an anomaly.

The BushClinton UniParty Media will continue maintaining the illusion of a two-party system, so they can continue to keep us at each other's throats to distract us from the fact that they're all sitting in the same room selling out our nation to the globalists.

To put it in Animal Farm terms: Trump good, non-Trump bad.

 



[#] Sun Dec 13 2020 22:00:57 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Subject: Stop the Steal - Interesting watch.

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[#] Sun Dec 13 2020 23:48:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Reagan probably wasn't in on it. Bush was in place to make sure a
Pro-American populist President never fucked up the plan again - and

Yes, and it's pretty obvious that John Hinckley was working for the Bushes, who had hoped to take over even sooner.

[#] Mon Dec 14 2020 01:36:29 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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But why did Jodi Foster shoot John Lennon? 

I think Yoko is the actual mastermind. 

 

Sun Dec 13 2020 23:48:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Reagan probably wasn't in on it. Bush was in place to make sure a
Pro-American populist President never fucked up the plan again - and

Yes, and it's pretty obvious that John Hinckley was working for the Bushes, who had hoped to take over even sooner.

 



[#] Mon Dec 14 2020 15:24:35 EST from nonservator

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[#] Mon Dec 14 2020 17:54:53 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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So, why exactly has she been demonetized and demonized as a racist? Did she say actually racist things? 




[#] Mon Dec 14 2020 19:55:38 EST from nonservator

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Given how expansive the definition of "racist" has become, I no longer give half a ripe, runny shit.



[#] Mon Dec 14 2020 23:34:45 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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omg. Who is this delightful anti-Greta and why isn't LeftTube censoring her?

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