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[#] Mon Sep 21 2020 18:58:53 EDT from darknetuser

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2020-09-19 05:37 from zooer
It bothers me how often I go into a medical facility and people are

not following proper mask protocol.  I was in a doctor's office
yesterday, none of the PA or nurses were wearing masks.  This wasn't

a private closed off room, this was a hallway with a desk that ran

along the wall, medical equipment on the desk and cabinets on the
walls. 

 


Nothing new. It is everywhere.

It is like IT security. People can pretend to follow security procedures but by the third day everybody is partaking in protocol violations. Masks left home. Passwords in posits placed by the keyboard.

Protocols getting raped so hard they are pregnant now.

[#] Wed Sep 23 2020 09:03:51 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Protocols getting raped so hard they are pregnant now.

Colorful metaphor of the day

[#] Fri Oct 02 2020 06:52:29 EDT from zooer

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Coronavirus vaccine trial participants report day-long exhaustion, fever and headaches 

KEY POINTS:
High fever, body aches, headaches and exhaustion are some of the symptoms participants in Moderna and Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine trials say they felt after receiving the shots.
While the symptoms were uncomfortable, and at times intense, they often went away after a day, sometimes less.
The phase three trials are a critical last step needed to get the vaccines cleared for distribution.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-participants-exhaustion-fever-headaches.html



[#] Fri Oct 02 2020 10:09:01 EDT from LoanShark

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dear god, yes, it's designed to provoke an immune response. that's the sort of thing you might expect, and it sounds mild compared to the actual lingering autoimmune problems that I've been experiencing on and off as a result of actual sars-cov-2 infection. the biggest issue with the virus is that your immune system may overreact to it.

The antibodies/response to this virus may be problematic in some cases - there is no getting around that. I would rather get my problematic antibodies from a mostly harmless vaccine than from live virus. It was a living nightmare for me, I absolutely compare it to Night of the Living Dead.

[#] Sun Oct 04 2020 22:14:21 EDT from LoanShark

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I'll make a prediction: Trump is going to recover, possibly because of the Regeneron experimental antibody cocktail that he's receiving.

(Of course there is a nonzero chance that said cocktails kills him via antibody-dependent enhancement, but if you can believe Regeneron's press release, the results have been very promising so far.)

The issue with treatments like this is probably going to be scaling up manufacturing to produce enough for everyone who might need them. If I understand correctly, these are several monoclonal (is that the same thing as polyclonal?) antibodies, produced via a biological process.

[#] Thu Oct 08 2020 14:36:14 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

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It never sounded like he had a particularly bad case, despite the media reports to the contrary.

[#] Thu Oct 08 2020 17:28:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Isn't that what's happening in general now?  I feel as if the Really Bad Cases (tm) were common at the beginning, people getting really weak and having trouble breathing and being put on ventilators and more of them dying.  From mid summer on, everyone I've heard about who has caught the virus has either had mild or flu-like symptoms.  

I am completely aware that it could just be a coincidence about the cases I'm hearing about and the cases I'm not hearing about.  On the other hand, Epidemiology 101 teaches that viruses *do* get weaker, possibly because the deadliest strains tend to kill people before they can spread.

We should probably disregard the President's case because he has access to a completely different caliber of treatment than the rest of us do.  There are optics involved, of course, but that's a discussion of politics rather than epidemiology.



[#] Thu Oct 08 2020 17:35:35 EDT from LoanShark

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I am completely aware that it could just be a coincidence about the
cases I'm hearing about and the cases I'm not hearing about.  On the
other hand, Epidemiology 101 teaches that viruses *do* get weaker,
possibly because the deadliest strains tend to kill people before
they can spread.

No dude, just no.

Ep101 teaches us that that happens... but it takes generations of co-evolution.

We will build up immunity, but that's not the same thing. And the death counts are still very bad.

[#] Sun Oct 11 2020 11:49:25 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

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I think we've learned a lot about treatment. They're keeping people off of ventilators as much as possible. They're doing better at isolating the most vulnerable populations. I think they're also recognizing cytokine storms and using IL-6 inhibitors and steroids quickly.


[#] Tue Oct 13 2020 11:21:54 EDT from zooer

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Johnson & Johnson Temporarily Pauses All Dosing in Our Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate Clinical Trials
https://www.jnj.com/our-company/johnson-johnson-temporarily-pauses-all-dosing-in-our-janssen-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-clinical-trials

 

Fri Oct 02 2020 10:09:01 AM EDT from LoanShark
dear god, yes,

"Dear god NO"



[#] Wed Oct 14 2020 10:34:14 EDT from LoanShark

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this is not even news. trial pauses are routine occurrences.

[#] Mon Nov 09 2020 11:46:26 EST from LoanShark

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good news from pfizer... of course right now, it's just a press release not yet a peer-reviewed publication.

90% effective (preliminary result, hope it holds) and no significant safety concerns is far better than hoped for.

I'm one of those people whose antibodies declined rapidly after convalescence. We are a significant minority. *your* vaccination could save *my* life.

[#] Mon Nov 09 2020 12:26:04 EST from zooer

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this is not even news. press releases are routine occurrences.

 

I am not going to rush science.  *Your* life isn't worth *MY* health.  I will wait and let science do its work.



[#] Mon Nov 09 2020 12:55:36 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I literally just read a report that said something to the effect that Covid-19 seems to be weakening - and that this is what the last Corona virus did before it "disappeared". 

It wasn't an academic paper, and I'm not a virologist - but the basic thesis was that Corona viruses tend to weaken, almost like a half-life, then disappear. Or at least the last one did. Maybe SARS, and there is evidence emerging that Covid-19 is following a very similar trajectory. 






Thu Oct 08 2020 17:35:35 EDT from LoanShark
I am completely aware that it could just be a coincidence about the
cases I'm hearing about and the cases I'm not hearing about.  On the
other hand, Epidemiology 101 teaches that viruses *do* get weaker,
possibly because the deadliest strains tend to kill people before
they can spread.

No dude, just no.

Ep101 teaches us that that happens... but it takes generations of co-evolution.

We will build up immunity, but that's not the same thing. And the death counts are still very bad.

 



[#] Mon Nov 09 2020 13:39:17 EST from LoanShark

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I am not going to rush science.  *Your* life isn't worth *MY*
health.  I will wait and let science do its work.

You know what? That's fine. Personally, Iecause I've already recovered and probably have some cellular immune memory, I will be waiting until (a) the full approval process is complete, not just Emergency Use Authorization, and (b) we have some data on how it behaves in people who were already infected naturally: does it confer additional protection? They are looking into this question separately, but it's not the primary focus for the EUA.

But make no mistake: this IS news.

[#] Mon Nov 09 2020 19:37:31 EST from LoanShark

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https://unherd.com/2020/11/yes-the-vaccine-is-really-on-its-way/

[#] Mon Nov 09 2020 20:08:12 EST from zooer

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Mon Nov 09 2020 07:37:31 PM EST from LoanShark

 

...And Joe Biden not the science and medical field will get the credit in the eyes of the foolish.

 

(From the security room)
Mon Nov 09 2020 07:12:49 PM EST from LoanShark

... you're talking to a guy who just had both nostrils raped today, for a mandatory test.

 

They are a dual nostril tests now?  My test as a single nostril and while unpleasant I wouldn't describe it as a rape of the nostril.  Perhaps the nurse was sadistic.



[#] Mon Nov 09 2020 21:18:33 EST from LoanShark

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They are a dual nostril tests now?  My test as a single nostril and
while unpleasant I wouldn't describe it as a rape of the nostril. 
Perhaps the nurse was sadistic.

Yeah, the last two tests I have had have been both nostrils.

[#] Mon Nov 09 2020 23:27:59 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Hey folks ... I know we're all still either elated or tortured by the results of the election, but let's try not to let it spill out into every room. I am as suspicious as many will undoubtedly be over the timing of this vaccine announcement, and I might head over to the politics room after this to have a few words about it, but I think a lot of people are going to be turned off if the whole board turns into that.

I will, however, echo the sentiments of those who have expressed a desire to hold off on getting the vaccine. If someone is at a high risk and their personal calculus is that the potential benefits outweigh the risks, then yeah, go for it. That's what I've been advocating for all year -- personal choice. I'm even happy to wear a mask voluntarily if I'm keeping company with someone who feels it's worth it. But the vaccine -- hopefully it works great for those who take it -- I'll pass. Who knows what the long term side effects could be.

Hopefully it will not be mandatory, or even quasi-mandatory (for example, required for kids in schools)

[#] Mon Nov 09 2020 23:56:22 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Mon Nov 09 2020 23:27:59 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Hey folks ... I know we're all still either elated or tortured by the results of the election, but let's try not to let it spill out into every room. I am as suspicious as many will undoubtedly be over the timing of this vaccine announcement, and I might head over to the politics room after this to have a few words about it, but I think a lot of people are going to be turned off if the whole board turns into that.

I will, however, echo the sentiments of those who have expressed a desire to hold off on getting the vaccine. If someone is at a high risk and their personal calculus is that the potential benefits outweigh the risks, then yeah, go for it. That's what I've been advocating for all year -- personal choice. I'm even happy to wear a mask voluntarily if I'm keeping company with someone who feels it's worth it. But the vaccine -- hopefully it works great for those who take it -- I'll pass. Who knows what the long term side effects could be.

Hopefully it will not be mandatory, or even quasi-mandatory (for example, required for kids in schools)

Fair enough. I'll offer this too... anyone who wants to spill this kind of discussion into every room on the BBS, no matter how thing the connection to the topic - is welcome to do so at secure.wallofhate.com - God knows I need the traffic, and somewhere to talk about it endlessly where I won't be pissing the Sysop off. ;) 

I also care less about the integrity of my BBS than IG... so... stop on by if you feel you can't contain yourself here. 

I promise to do better at sticking to the topic and avoiding the election here. Also, I agree with everything you said above - and that is how I've been approaching it. I wear a mask where required, I don't think of it as some sort of affront to my liberty - I understand why people will want the vaccine. I think I'll probably wait but my physician might be able to change my mind. 

I've also suggested that we don't know what the long term side effects of infection may be. What if the people who were asymptomatic start dropping dead left and right in the next two years from strokes? If that happens... the *mild* case wasn't so much dodging the bullet as we thought it was. I don't think this is likely - but we don't *know* what *we don't know* and probably won't, until if it hits us. 

Everything is being made up as we go along on this one. 

 



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