"Without an Arm Desktop PC, Arm Servers are just a novelty that individuals will continue to test, evaluate, and ultimately discard as not worth the switching costs, as has occured for the past 5 years."
implying you can go out and buy an ARM server
"In the past, it was difficult to actually find Arm Server hardware available to individual end-users."
But now we live in the glorious future of flying cars where any old Joe can purchase one of these novelties.
Thank God most of these people don't get paid to write this crap.
ARM server hardware is very, very real, and currently deployed on a massive scale, even if the support ecosystem is a bit bespoke.
In this day and age, your compile farm is in the cloud, your deployment fleet is in the cloud, etc. You don't need an ARM laptop to target an ARM server.
ARC servers are only "real" if you have a big enough corporate expense account.
I am not a gamer, so I don't need to push polygons at 120 FPS. I need good snappy desktop performance for simple productivity type work, and media performance good enough for video and audio editing.
Ryzen is a combo CPU/GPU, right? Or am I thinking of something else?
In this day and age, your compile farm is in the cloud, your
deployment fleet is in the cloud, etc. You don't need an ARM laptop to
target an ARM server.
*Your* compile farm and deployment fleet are in the cloud. This probably means you have the luxury of having built and/or chosen only cloud-native applications. It's a nice place to be if you can make that happen, because it gives you the flexibility to deploy a lot of different ways. ARM as a server does sound neato. I
Elsewhere in the industry, there are gigantic catalogs of software that are keeping people stuck on legacy technologies such as x86 and even Windows.
Hybrid cloud is popular with enterprise shops for this reason.
Looks like there's no integrated graphics on Ryzen 7. You need to buy one of their APU models if that's what you want.
My personal choice would be the Ryzen 7 3700x because that's the latest lithography and comes with 8 cores in a 65W power envelope. I'm not a fan of the 95W products because I don't like my space sounding like somebody parked an unmuffled jet engine in there.
Ryzen 5 = 6 codes, Ryzen 7 = 8 cores
65W vs 95W, you're talking 8% more base clock for 46% more power consumption.
my mistake, the 3800x is at 105W, so it's 61% more power consumption for 8% more clock speed.
I'm shopping the CPU/motherboard bundles at Micro Center and it looks like the graphics power I want (hardware accelerated but not "gamer grade") is included on even the low end motherboards now.
Good point about the power consumption and fan requirements. Running reasonably quiet (not necessarily "silent") is desirable because the rig will operate 24/7 in a home office that doubles as a guest bedroom. If the fan ramps up when I render a video, that's fine, but if it ramps up in the middle of the night for no good reason, that's not quite as fine.
I'm using 65W Intel products with the retail box cooler and it's reasonably quiet. I do have one of those cases with a bit of soundproof padding.
With an over-engineered aftermarket cooler it would be even quieter.
Used to use those 95W Pentium IV's at the office, back in the day, and those sounded like a jet engine. Same with the one I bought for my mom.
Here's a first draft of my build, coming in at about $350. My budget is $450 so there's room to improve anything that turns out to be underpowered.
As previously mentioned, I don't need or want a video card, because I don't play PC games, so I only need enough display oomph to render the desktop and play some video. And I already have my disks, a pair of Intel 800 GB SSD as the primary disks plus another HDD for backup.
|CPU||AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6 Core AM4 Boxed Processor with Wraith Spire Cooler||1||$79.99 EACH|
|Motherboard||ASRock B450 PRO4 AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard||1||$89.99 EACH|
|RAM||Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16GB 2 x 8GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300 CL16 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit 2K8G4D26BFSBK - Gray||1||$65.99 EACH|
|Case||Corsair 110R Tempered Glass ATX Mid-Tower Computer Case - Black||1||$62.99 EACH|
|Power Supply||PowerSpec 550 Watt 80 Plus Bronze ATX Fixed Power Supply||1||$47.99 EACH|
|Generated by Micro Center 12/30/2019 3:16:08 PM|
After careful reading I learned that the 450 chipset's "integrated graphics" consist of "use an AMD CPU with integrated graphics and we will route that signal to the video ports". So I'm going for the Ryzen 5 3400G (4 cores, 8 threads, 65 watts) and going with a cheaper (but larger) case. I don't need a transparent case; this thing is going to sit on the floor like a real computer.
Yeah, I knew about the G suffixed parts but had some trouble finding them on AMDs website at first. It gets a little confusing about whether you're talking about these or the "APU" products -- I'm not sure what the distinction is.
I went through the System Builder application on the MicroCenter web site and put my parts list together. I almost fell into the trap of not having any graphics because the Socket AM4 motherboards are compatible with Ryzen CPUs, and they *say* they have integrated graphics, but as previously noted, that only means it has a passthrough for the Ryzen APUs. Technically it *is* compatible, but they expect that if you buy a plain CPU, you're also going to buy a SuperMegaDoomDestroyer video card.
I haven't built a computer in a *long* time. This will be interesting.
Subject: My haul from Micro Center :)
AMD Ryzen 3400G APU, Micron RAM, a PowerSpec 550W power supply, ASRock B450M Pro4 motherboard (all of the motherboards are basically the same because they all use the same AMD chipset anyway), and a Thermaltake mid-tower case. Here's a photo of my haul:
As always, I shopped at Micro Center because Amazon is The Great Satan and I would prefer to patronize a (somewhat) local store.
I'm getting ready for a short trip out of town right now, so the build will begin next week.
Nice. The 3400G looks like the one to have if you're looking for integrated graphics.
Never had any problems. Ryzen processors happen to be really well regarded by the entire industry now, too ... they've vastly surpassed Intel in price/performance and in some cases on raw performance. If I wanted to punish myself I'd buy a Mac :)
The days of AMD being a bit player are changing fast. EPYC products are now deployed on a massive scale in data centers and taken very seriously.
I'm glad I bought a new case and power supply instead of reusing an old one.
Things have really evolved over the last ten years. It's technically still the same ATX form factor, and a new motherboard will fit into an old case, but the power connectors are different, there's now space for 2.5" storage devices, and they've added all sorts of slots and tiedowns for people who want to dress the cables to make it look nice. And of course there's that matte black finish on everything, which I like much better than the old beige boxes.
There's not going to be any RGB lighting on this one, though. That's a bit too ghetto for me. But the motherboard has two headers on it, to connect both addressable and non-addressable LED strip. I'm thinking about drilling some holes in an empty drive bay cover and adding some panel-mounted LEDs to connect to that header, to have some more *traditional* blinkenlichten.