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[#] Thu Apr 11 2024 18:27:50 EDT from Nurb432

Subject: Re: Confused

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No one is perfect. We all tend to stray OT in a room.

 

 

Thu Apr 11 2024 18:16:32 EDT from lgnmcrules Subject: Confused

Hello all, this is my first time trying out this weird style of BBS.  I'm used to forum style from a decade or two ago, so I'm pretty confused on how to navigate this place.  Is there documentation on how things are grouped together?  Right now it seems to be rooms each with a couple forum posts that stretch on for ages and switch topics midway through.



 



[#] Fri Apr 12 2024 09:18:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Confused

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pretty confused on how to navigate this place.  Is there
documentation on how things are grouped together?  Right now it
seems to be rooms each with a couple forum posts that stretch on for

Each room has a topic, and the conversation in each room is linear. Instead of keeping track of threads, you just follow along like a regular conversation.
The next time you return to a room, it will remember where you were last time so you can catch up.

So it's simpler than you might have expected. People who are accustomed to it really love it.

[#] Fri Apr 12 2024 11:05:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

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So it can be circumscribed: The problem occurs using mail clients like

Thunderbird or K-9 Mail for writing and sending emails via SMTP.

You are absolutely correct, and I am now able to reproduce the problem. When an external SMTP agent submits a message with the message ID in angle brackets, the bracket on the right is not properly stripped.

What an excellent troubleshoot and bug report. We'll get this fixed right away.

[#] Fri Apr 12 2024 17:41:07 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

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What an excellent troubleshoot and bug report. We'll get this fixed

right away.

...and right away is now. Citadel 999 is now available for download, in both Docker and Easy Install formats.

I guess the next release is going to have to be something really special since it'll be version 1000 :)

[#] Fri Apr 12 2024 17:43:57 EDT from Nurb432

Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

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webcit NG is released?

 

( just kidding. i know its a long way out )

Fri Apr 12 2024 17:41:07 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

I guess the next release is going to have to be something really special since it'll be version 1000 :)

 



[#] Sat Apr 13 2024 14:40:15 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

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I wish! :) We're working very hard and very actively on WebCit-NG but it's still not feature complete. The "mail" and "forums" applets are lovely. Current development is focused around the calendar. Fun fact: the calendar applet is using CalDAV to talk to the server. This is a good thing because it's forcing us to complete the CalDAV implementation. It is also a bad thing because it's forcing us to complete the CalDAV implementation.

[#] Sat Apr 13 2024 16:01:46 EDT from Nurb432

Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

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Would be for another room, but any pictures worth sharing yet of what is coming?



[#] Sun Apr 14 2024 01:53:39 EDT from stefan

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Fri Apr 12 2024 11:05:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform
So it can be circumscribed: The problem occurs using mail clients like

Thunderbird or K-9 Mail for writing and sending emails via SMTP.

You are absolutely correct, and I am now able to reproduce the problem. When an external SMTP agent submits a message with the message ID in angle brackets, the bracket on the right is not properly stripped.

What an excellent troubleshoot and bug report. We'll get this fixed right away.

I would like to thank you very much for the quick and professional support!

Some large software companies could take a role model here.

It's great if CalDAV would be included in Citadel. I use it with separate software, which i could quit.

For implementing the update: Is it possible to reinstall the easy install routine on a running raspberry, if citserver and webcit are stopped, without loosing the mail configuration and the content of the IMAP mail boxes? Or is the clean way a fresh installation of the whole system?



[#] Sun Apr 14 2024 07:29:19 EDT from Nurb432

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Personally id just treat it as a regular upgrade and not start over.



[#] Sun Apr 14 2024 21:32:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Would be for another room, but any pictures worth sharing yet of what is coming?

Yes, thanks for asking  :)

https://www.citadel.org/roadmap.html

Has a few screen shots of the Forum and Mail applets.



[#] Sun Apr 14 2024 21:37:31 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

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For implementing the update: Is it possible to reinstall the easy install

routine on a running raspberry, if citserver and webcit are stopped, without

loosing the mail configuration and the content of the IMAP mail boxes? Or
is
the clean way a fresh installation of the whole system?

Yes, if you originally installed Citadel using the Easy Install method, you can run Easy Install again at any time to upgrade. Your existing data will be preserved.

Obviously you're going to take a backup first, of course.

[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 03:04:00 EDT from stefan

Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

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Sun Apr 14 2024 21:37:31 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform
For implementing the update: Is it possible to reinstall the easy install

routine on a running raspberry, if citserver and webcit are stopped, without

loosing the mail configuration and the content of the IMAP mail boxes? Or
is
the clean way a fresh installation of the whole system?

Yes, if you originally installed Citadel using the Easy Install method, you can run Easy Install again at any time to upgrade. Your existing data will be preserved.

Obviously you're going to take a backup first, of course.

Ok, thanks!



[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 07:40:15 EDT from Nurb432

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I must have missed that in previous talks. Tks.

How well will it resize to phones? We all know, for better or worse, that is what our new users will be using.  

Sun Apr 14 2024 21:32:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

Would be for another room, but any pictures worth sharing yet of what is coming?

Yes, thanks for asking  :)

https://www.citadel.org/roadmap.html

Has a few screen shots of the Forum and Mail applets.



 



[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 13:53:27 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

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You didn't miss it; the Roadmap is new and I finally got around to taking some screenshots to put in it.

The intention for mobile is for it to behave like most other software does: when on a small screen, the sidebar is collapsed into a hamburger menu until you need it.

I am frustrated by the fact that we can't release little bits of this into production until it's finished, and I'm aware that this is the reason you're never supposed to start over (i.e. the Netscape effect -- although I still believe that Netscape failed because of hubris). I still stand by the decision though, because WebCit-classic has some very fundamental problems stemming from design decisions made more than 25 years ago.

We're also changing the fundamental approach of the user interface. Elements which made sense in 1996 when it was just a web version of a BBS client don't make sense today. Although it will still use the same Citadel Server, the user-facing experience will be a set of applications that all work together in a common framework. This is more in line with what the public expects in the current era.

[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 13:58:38 EDT from Nurb432

Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform

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But, sometimes its the only way.

 

Mon Apr 15 2024 13:53:27 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform


I am frustrated by the fact that we can't release little bits of this into production until it's finished, and I'm aware that this is the reason you're never supposed to start over

 



[#] Mon Apr 15 2024 14:39:26 EDT from stefan

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Fri Apr 12 2024 17:41:07 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: mail delivery errors - message ID header not RFC 5322 conform
What an excellent troubleshoot and bug report. We'll get this fixed

right away.

...and right away is now. Citadel 999 is now available for download, in both Docker and Easy Install formats.

I guess the next release is going to have to be something really special since it'll be version 1000 :)

Both company servers, which rejected my SMTP written mails in version 998, accept it now with version 999.

Well done, succes across the board!



[#] Tue Apr 16 2024 16:42:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Both company servers, which rejected my SMTP written mails in version 998,

accept it now with version 999.

Glad to hear it! Thanks for using Citadel, and spread the word.

[#] Tue Apr 30 2024 23:50:00 EDT from cbellosoto

Subject: 2 Questions

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Hello All,
2 Questions, how do you search in these rooms to acoid repeating questions?

Any recommendations on SMART Hosts that is no google so that the sender appears under my domain and not the External SMTP Servers Domain?



[#] Thu May 02 2024 07:31:56 EDT from Nurb432

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Not a big deal, and cant say when it happened, but did the auto purge wax our contact list in the last year or so?  Just curious.

Just happened to click in there by accident, noticed it was empty. Used to have a couple of entries.   *shrug*



[#] Wed May 08 2024 15:00:41 EDT from adamsfour

Subject: Can't send email

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Good day,

 just installed and I am receiving emails without issue but can't send.

 

I added my domain name Fully qualified domain name and local host alias (then restarted) but still not working. I assume its a configuration issue. I noticed that when I try to send it still uses my @raspberrypi and not my domain name

 

 

 

Any help would be appreicated

 

 

 

 



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